1. Welcome to CowboysZone!  Join us!  Come on!  You know you want to!

Ware-Spencer-Hatcher-Crawford-Selvie-Bass- a First rounder

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Vinnie2u, Jan 17, 2014.

  1. dragon_mikal

    dragon_mikal Darth Jones strikes again! Zone Supporter

    5,699 Messages
    1,313 Likes Received
    Rotational players (depth) at best. Ware will be restructured and Spencer and Hatch will be gone. So basically right now we have Ware and a bunch of average depth guys on the defensive line. Make no mistake that this unit has to be priority number 1 in the draft and in FA if possible.
  2. Zimmy Lives

    Zimmy Lives Well-Known Member

    5,976 Messages
    1,047 Likes Received
    It would be a good start but by no means should the Cowboys be pleased nor secure with this prospect. Even if they draft a 1st-round talent for the d-line they still need to look for an affordable FA who can come in and be part of a rotation.
    50cent and Kaiser like this.
  3. Common Sense

    Common Sense Well-Known Member

    1,520 Messages
    516 Likes Received
    Once Broaddus stated point blank that Hayden was brought in partially because Ben Bass was struggling to learn the position. Hatcher uses Bass to crack a joke about leaving (imagine that) and now the revisionist story is that the team projected Bass to be a starter in 2014 all along? Good grief, guys.
    50cent likes this.
  4. GloryDaysRBack

    GloryDaysRBack Well-Known Member

    9,468 Messages
    838 Likes Received
    Bringing back all these scrubs is the absolute worst case scenario. For this season and the future. Id rather have none of them than all of them.

    Sign a mid 20s FA....maybe even 2 and spend a draft pick or 2 on the DL.
    Common Sense likes this.
  5. Kaiser

    Kaiser Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

    911 Messages
    660 Likes Received
    I haven't seen anyone projecting Bass as a starter for 2014.

    I think something is lost in translation on the comment from Broaddus. Hayden was signed to a futures contract in February after the 2012 season. Bass was coming off a Practice Squad year where he got into a few games after being activated as an injury replacement. When Hayden was signed on Feb 11th, it doesn't make sense that they did so because of anything related to a second year UDFA they were hoping would improve from his rookie year.
    Zimmy Lives likes this.
  6. Common Sense

    Common Sense Well-Known Member

    1,520 Messages
    516 Likes Received
    Gah, you're right. Shows you what I get for trusting Broaddus.
    Kaiser likes this.
  7. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

    25,596 Messages
    1,013 Likes Received
    Ware should be back. He'll likely take a pay cut that will end us up near what we'd save by cutting him

    Spencer is going to see a very, very soft market. He'll likely sign a small, incentive-laden deal, no reason not to do so here. People say we can't afford Hatcher, but if last year is any indication, the market is really really soft for D-linemen. There just were not many big deals. Being 32, he's not going to see huge offers.
  8. sbark

    sbark Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

    3,784 Messages
    278 Likes Received
    See the draft like last year.........the players on the Cowboys board will be gone, trade down to get value, or be forced to take bpa at another position.
  9. Flinger

    Flinger Active Member

    791 Messages
    55 Likes Received
    Hey - just get any 7 guys... they'll be better than Ware, Hatcher, Spencer, Selvie, Bass, Crawford, etc...

    Oh - that's right. We don't even know anything about 'those 7'.

    Oh well. They are better. Ask anyone here.
  10. Zimmy Lives

    Zimmy Lives Well-Known Member

    5,976 Messages
    1,047 Likes Received
    Bass was projected as a strong rotational guy with potential. I really like the guy's ability if he can just stay healthy.
    Kaiser likes this.
  11. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

    20,846 Messages
    1,220 Likes Received
    Hayden and Bass don't even play the same position. Hayden is a run stopping 1 tech-NT and Bass is a pass rusher that plays 3 tech or the other DT in pass rush situations. Hayden beat out Lissemore.
  12. Kaiser

    Kaiser Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

    911 Messages
    660 Likes Received
    I agree completely, but his big improvement came in training camp in 2013. My point about him relation to Hayden was that it was all projection for him on Feb 11, 2013 when Hayden signed. The crazy thing is that after the wipeout from this year, Hayden, Selvie, Bass and Crawford may all be high quality backups next year assuming everyone stays healthy.
    Common Sense likes this.
  13. Seven

    Seven Messenger to the football Gods

    11,534 Messages
    692 Likes Received

    Injured.........
  14. JDSTAR

    JDSTAR Active Member

    218 Messages
    38 Likes Received
    Keep Selvie, Give Hatcher a fair contract, try to retain Ware with a team friendly pay cut, then take 2DTs and a DE in the first 5th rounds. I'm still hoping we give David King, former PHI DT, former Sooner a look. Not sure why he doesn't have a job right now. That's an ideal scenario IMO.
  15. Zimmy Lives

    Zimmy Lives Well-Known Member

    5,976 Messages
    1,047 Likes Received
    Understood and I agree: the depth, barring injury, should be better this year if Dallas can add talent through the draft and FA. I think Crawford has a good chance to compete for a starting job if Vinnie2u's proposed scenario does actualize.
  16. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

    22,504 Messages
    9,657 Likes Received
    No. Too much age and injury. Turn the page.

    I'd keep Ware and Crawford. That's it.
  17. SWG9

    SWG9 Well-Known Member

    1,040 Messages
    182 Likes Received
    Better than this year but certainly not good by any stretch.

    And there's virtually no chance of Hatcher coming back
  18. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

    13,626 Messages
    5,782 Likes Received
    Ware, Hatcher, Ratliff and Spencer was the making of a good/great DL; however, the probability that they were going to meet the goal was low due to their age and injury history.

    You're just replicating 2013 with Ware, Spencer and Hatcher.

    The best way to reduce the probability of injuries is to replace older veterans with younger players. It's not a guarantee, but it's the best bet from a probability prospective. Playing the odds (probabilities) is what good teams do every year.
    Common Sense likes this.
  19. cmoney23

    cmoney23 Active Member

    319 Messages
    227 Likes Received
    I see this more and more

    Ware- Hatcher (franchise tag)- Draft pick- Crawford/Selvie
  20. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

    13,626 Messages
    5,782 Likes Received
    I'm a big fan of Aubrayo Franklin because he combined with Robert Mathis to total 19.5 sacks.

    Robert Mathis 19.5
    Aubrayo Franklin 0.0
    JDSTAR likes this.

Share This Page