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We need to draft an Olineman from Hawaii

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Bob Sacamano, Apr 4, 2007.

  1. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Is he quick?
  2. Bob Sacamano

    Bob Sacamano Benched

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    not really
  3. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    But his differential is greater than .5. So does having a high differential tell us whether a player is quick?
  4. Bob Sacamano

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    if that player's .5 differential is calibrated from a respected 40 and shuttle he is, and I just gave you an example
  5. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Does the differential, by itself, tell us whether a player is quick?
  6. Bob Sacamano

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    nope.

    but Upesera, Satele and Esera are quick, so...
  7. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Of the tackles for which I have enough data to calculate, I have Upesera ranked as the 10th "quickest." I don't have enough stats on Esera to rank him. I haven't run the numbers on guards and centers, so I don't know about Satele.

    When I calculate overall athletic ability, however, Upesera ranks very highly.
  8. Bob Sacamano

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    of all the OTs invited to the Combine, Upesera's short-shuttle ranks tied for 6th w/ Marshal Yanda

    Satele's 4.29 short-shuttle is the best, Ryan Kalil was shortly after w/ a 4.32
  9. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    That may be true, but I don't measure quickness based solely on the shuttle time.

    I'll probably work on the the guard and center numbers tonight.
  10. Bob Sacamano

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    I'd be interested to see your formula, do you just add the shuttle w/ the 3-cone or what?
  11. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    It's shuttle, cone, and 10 yard time.

    "Quickness" = Weight / 25 + (15 - (Shuttle + Cone)) + ((5 - 10-yard time)*5)

    I may change it up a little bit, because I'm not completely satisfied with the variance each variable has.

    Edit: By the way, Doug Free is the 2nd rated OT in the quickness rating.
  12. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    What, don't like hearing that Kirwan's formula is garbage??
  13. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    That they're quick for a slow guy?? :D

    So, if a guy runs a 5.35 short shuttle, and a 5.85 40, that means he's quick??
  14. CrazyCowboy

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    Wow.....those are great numbers for sure and he deserves a solid look see
  15. Bob Sacamano

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    I don't really care if you think it's garbage or not
  16. Bob Sacamano

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    in relation to his 40, yes
  17. windward

    windward NFL Historian

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    Satele is of course the best prospect of the three and most ready to play at this level. I think he'll make a nice pro. He also has a bit of a nasty streak.

    Uperesa has really good measureables. He has the body, the "look" if you will. Pretty smart guy, went to Punahou, arguably the top high school academically in the state of Hawaii. He lacks the mean streak Satele has, though. He's never really been that way, even when we were kids. (He didn't need to be , of course, he was so goddammned bigger than everyone else.) I would take a look at him in the sixth/seventh round. He may develop into a nice prospect somewhere down the line. BTW, IIRC Uperesa is somehow linked with Mark Tuinei (Uncle or second cousin or something, a nice tidbit)

    Esera's a nice college player, I'm not sure how well he'll be at the pro level, though.

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