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Which converted DE will be more successful at the NFL?

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by RealCowboyfan, Apr 15, 2006.

  1. RealCowboyfan

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    Make A Choice

    Manny Lawson
    Kamerion Wimbley
    Bobby Carpenter

    and express the differences between one of these players

    COMPARE EM...with facts.. not opinions...
  2. TheEnigma

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    Is Carpenter a DE convert?
  3. RealCowboyfan

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    Manny Lawson

    [IMG]

    Height:: 6-6
    Weight:: 250
    40 Yard Dash:: 4.41
    Verticle Jump:: 40

    -Strengths: Is an outstanding natural athlete with rare speed. Plays bigger than his size would indicate. Is an explosive tackler. As a pass rusher, flies off the edge and shows a great closing burst. Is raw, but continues to develop pass-rush moves. Has steadily matured. Shows the speed to blow past top offensive tackles. Chases down the ball well in pursuit. Shows good instincts, takes good angles to the ball and makes sound n>open-field tackles. Is a demon on special teams. Works hard in the weight room, and shows the potential to add bulk.

    Weaknesses: Is undersized. Must strengthen lower body and play with better leverage at the point of attack. Can get overwhelmed against the run. Must learn to use hands better to shed blocks; relies too much on strong upper body.

    Bottom line: Lawson is a physical specimen with freakish strength and terrific running and leaping ability. He must polish his all-around game but has unlimited potential. With added bulk, he can be a good every-down end. With his current skills, he also could play outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme.


    NEWS Look for Lawson to go higher in the draft than expected, especially with so many teams switching to a 3-4 scheme and desperately in search of outside linebackers who can rush the passer. Cleveland, New England and Pittsburgh are always searching for guys like Lawson. -- War Room scouts- sportingnews.com

    Articles::
    http://gopack.collegesports.com/spor...022004aaa.html

    http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArti cle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031785229688&path=!sports!foo tball!sub!article&s=1037645509262

    Profiles::
    http://gopack.collegesports.com/spor...n_manny00.html
    http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/Profile...sonprofile.htm
    http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/p...rospect_ID=625
  4. Letemburn

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    Carpenter played LB
  5. RealCowboyfan

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    Kamerion Wimbley
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    KAMERION WIMBLEY MEASURABLES Height: 6-3 [IMG] Weight: 248 40-yard dash: 4.61 10-yard dash: 1.58 20-yard shuttle: 4.42 60-yard shuttle: 11.74 Broad jump: 10-9 225-lb. bench: 24 3-cone drill: 6.97 Vertical jump: 38 [IMG] Wonderlic: 20-yard dash: 2.65

    Strengths: Shows an explosive first step and outstanding speed off the edge. Anticipates snap counts better than most prospects. Has the initial burst to get past offensive tackles without contact. Combines good quickness and agility with fluid hips and smooth change-of-direction skills. Beats offensive tackles with speed and quickness, and shows a good closing burst to the quarterback. Works best as a pursuing run defender. Breaks down and changes direction without losing speed in transition. Takes good angles, and tackles well in open field. Shows potential to drop back and cover in zone-blitz situations. Shows good instincts, and excels at diagnosing misdirection plays. Gets upfield quickly when reading pass.

    Weaknesses: Is too lean, and must add bulk. Gets run over by offensive tackles at the point of attack. Must learn to take on and shed blockers and play with good leverage. Must develop more pass-rush moves; can't afford to rely so much on speed.

    Bottom line: Wimbley shined at the Senior Bowl, holding his own against the run and impressing scouts as an edge pass rusher. He is a 'tweener and probably projects better as a 3-4 outside linebacker, but he can make an early impact as a situational pass rusher and special teams performer.


    INFORMATION::
    http://football.about.com/od/nationalfootballleague/p/kamerionwimbley.htm

    CARD>
    DEFENSIVE END::
    http://mckeenshockey.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=673&Sport=1

    WEAKSIDE LINEBACKER::
    http://www.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=673&Sport=1
  6. RealCowboyfan

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    Bobby Carpenter
    [IMG]

    NFL comparison:
    Napoleon Harris, Vikings


    BOBBY CARPENTER MEASURABLES Height: 6-2 [IMG] Weight: 256 40-yard dash: 4.66 10-yard dash: 20-yard shuttle: 4.31 60-yard shuttle: Broad jump: 225-lb. bench: 20 3-cone drill: 6.88 Vertical jump: Wonderlic: 20-yard dash:



    Strengths: Has good speed and size with a frame to add bulk. Shows good body control and change-of-direction skills. Can turn and run with tight ends and running backs in man-to-man coverage. Gets quickly into deep drops in zone coverage. Is tough with football smarts and awareness. Takes good angles to the ball, breaks down in pursuit and makes tackles in open field. Has experience at end; shows potential as an edge pass rusher. Shows good blitz instincts and a closing pass-rush burst. Is versatile -- can play everywhere at linebacker. Might fit best outside in a 3-4 because of coverage range and pass-rush skills. Works hard. Has a great attitude. Should contribute early on special teams.

    Weaknesses: Must get stronger and play with better leverage at the point of attack. Allows blockers to get into body; must learn to use hands and upper-body strength to shed blockers. Recovering after breaking his right ankle in mid-November. Bottom line: Carpenter has the versatility to back up several positions while he develops an ideal starting spot. While he still must get stronger, his unquestioned work ethic and high character leave little doubt that he will continue to improve. He projects as an early second-round pick.

    Dan Pompei analysis
    Physical defender shows burst to the ball. Has good size, speed and instincts. Knows how to blitz. Anticipates plays well. Uses strong hands to ward off blockers. Defends the run well. Also can cover and rush the passer. Gets high strung and sometimes loses focus. Sometimes gets caught out of position.


    Player's Card::
    http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sp...r_bobby00.html
  7. The30YardSlant

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    Bobby Carpenter played OLB at Ohio State, not DE

    Speaking of "facts"....
  8. cowboyfan4life_mark

    cowboyfan4life_mark 5 outta 8 ain't bad

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    :laugh2:


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  9. RealCowboyfan

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  11. RealCowboyfan

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    :bastid:

    ^THE REAL PICTURE...

    :sshhh: :stupid: :bastid:
  12. RealCowboyfan

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  13. Hostile

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    That link is about 1 game. Played because of an injury or suspension to the regular DE I believe.

    He was/is an OLB at Ohio State. Period.
  14. DLCassidy

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    Of the two available choices I'll go with Lawson. He needs to add 10 pounds but he's 6'5, it shouldn't be a big problem.
  15. RealCowboyfan

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    my point is he played DE before...
  16. Hostile

    Hostile Tacos are a good investment Zone Supporter

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    It isn't a point though.

    He is not a converted DE moving to OLB in the NFL. The other 2 you listed are.

    Completely invalidates your "poll."
  17. DLCassidy

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    :laugh2:
  18. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    I've never understood why Wimbley (at least before the combine) was rated well above Lawson but no one really ever touted him here.
  19. dbair1967

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    he lined up as a DE is passing situation...they did this because he was one of the teams better pass rushers

    he was and is an OLB though

    David
  20. dbair1967

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    I agree...I think he's a better fit at strongside OLB than Lawson is and will ultimately be a better player

    David

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