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Why haven't more Nat. Americans protested about the Redskins?

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  1. Fritsch_the_cat

    Fritsch_the_cat Well-Known Member

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    This has been going on for several decades. As early as 1972 a group of Native Americans met with the Washington franchise in an attempt to change the name. Jack Kent Cooke Jr was deposed by lawyers over the issue. But for one thing, like anything else involving the wish or request of Native Americans, it get's pushed aside and ignored, so nothing came of it. Just looks at the BLM's record of mismanagement of revenue owed to tribes for Timber, Oil and Mineral rights, the records were left to rot in warehouses and it took several decades of lawsuits to finally get action. Plus with Washington DC being a political and media hub neither was eager to rock the boat and help in pressing the issue. Out of sight, out of mind. The recent situation with Clippers owner Donald Sterling has help bring it to the forefront and highlight the hypocrisy of the outrage aimed there but not at the name Redskins. But there have been numerous protests over the years.

    And like any other person on this planet, Native Americans have had bigger things to worry about. However, what started out small has became large, large enough that it can no longer be ignored. It also takes time for opinions to change. There is no getting round the fact that Redskin is not a complimentary term, but a racial insult. If you do some research on George Marshall you'll see just what a racist son of a gun he was, it goes much further than just refusing to sign black athletes, he really looked down on other races. He did not come up with the name Redskins with honorable intentions. However, even with his racist ideology he was a product of his times, so probably didn't see the harm in the name, it was just how he and probably everyone he knew thought. Even some Native Americans don't see why it's wrong to continue to use the name. That doesn't make it right however and opinions are changing, even among Native Americans.

    It's not about being PC, it's about showing respect to fellow human beings and the term Redskins is not respectful. But that's the sad part of all this. Common sense will not rule. Instead it will be taken to the nth degree. As a Native American I see nothing wrong with names like Chiefs, Braves, Seminoles. A few of the logos could be revamped perhaps, namely that smiling fool the Cleveland Indians have, but I see nothing wrong with Washington's logo. Just change the name to something more respectful. I'm afraid that's not how it's going to end though. I think many teams both professional and amateur will kneejerk, especially in light of the trademark decision, and names that genuinely are respectful and intended to show pride and honor Native Americans will also be dropped. However, I say the blame there will lie mostly on the Washington franchise for letting something go on so long that they knew was controversial. They should have changed the name years ago, as many other teams did. But with a team in Washington DC bearing the name Redskins, it's become a bigger issue than it ever should have been.
  2. NIBGoldenchild

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    Funny you mention casinos. Ray Halbriter, one of the main opponents to the team name, claims he's the leader of Oneida Nation but many member of Oneida Nation do you not call him their leader. Mostly because they doubt he's an actual Oneida Indian. He IS the CEO of the Oneida Corporation though. Oneida Corp has been built a casino on the land of other Oneidans illegally and without their consent. Halbriter is a millionaire, while his employees at his casino average $16,000/year.

    And to top it all off, he sells Smokin' Joe cigarettes, with a logo so cartoonish that if someone non-NA did that they'd be called a racist.
  3. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    wah wah wah I am offended change everything. That is it in a nutshell
  4. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    I know I would not want the name changed if it was going to financially harm the team in any way, shape or form. Or any other tangible harm for that matter.

    But, what I think Fritsch is saying is that changing the name will not hurt the organization. They have changed other team's names that were offensive (i.e. St. John's Redmen to the Red Storm and the Syracuse Orangemen to the Orange) and that has not hurt those schools in any way, shape or form.

    I believe in being considerate of others. And sometimes I can be inconsiderate, but not on purpose. So, I may apologize and well...STOP being inconsiderate of others.

    I don't believe that the current day organization or their fans are purposely trying to be racist or purposely being inconsiderate towards Native Americans...but, they are being inconsiderate of Native Americans and their culture. And instead of giving a mea culpa and doing the right thing, we have people like yourself that feel the need to defend their nickname which is a slur and has been used as a slur for decades.

    I don't like censorship, but I do believe that it does have it's time and place. Otherwise we could just let everything go un-checked.

    Child pornography should be allowed? Hey, it may offend us, but it may not offend others. Don't want people looking to play the victim, now. That is what your line of thinking promotes when you chide somebody for wanting the Redskins to get rid of the name. It's a slippery slope when you use the 'I'm offended' or 'everybody is looking to play the victim' argument.

    I don't know what you are sticking up for other than boorish behavior. The organization will still go on, and in all likelihood see a spike in merchandise sales, if they happen to change their name.






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  5. Doomsday101

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    No they are not putting up with a small portion who are raising a stink. There are other teams named Redskins that are on Indian lands and played by Native Americans they do not find it offensive. Because a small group has their panties in a bunch the property owner has to now change the name? Sorry sometime in life you draw a line and say enough is enough. This is complete BS. Is this what we have turned into?
  6. Fritsch_the_cat

    Fritsch_the_cat Well-Known Member

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    Really? You read my post and that's how you see it? I could have sworn I said the name should be changed but everything, logo, other team names, are just fine.
  7. Fritsch_the_cat

    Fritsch_the_cat Well-Known Member

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  8. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I think the fear is, "where will it end?"
  9. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    They are called hypocrites when high school that are 100% native american use the damn Name Redskins. This BS of well I can say this but no one else can? Please if it is that damn offense then no one should use it but that is not the case.
  10. Fritsch_the_cat

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    So much disinformation there I don't know where to start. Ray Halbriter is no doubt a profiteer, he's made himself a rich man. However I don't believe he is in anyway associated with the Tuscarora Nation's Tobacco brand, that is a different tribe if you notice. And there is nothing cartoonish about their logo.

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    I do believe you've received some bad information there, it is probably due to confusion with this Tobacco Shop, which has no relation to any tribe.


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  11. Fritsch_the_cat

    Fritsch_the_cat Well-Known Member

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    Which I also said.
  12. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Fact is the courts had ruled on this in favor of the Washingon REDSKINS, it took the federal Government who should be doing their damn jobs to pull this crap. Given everything that is going on I would expect them to do the peoples business not trying to rename football teams.
  13. Fritsch_the_cat

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    Well, I'm sure that will be addressed. But perhaps you are not aware, Native Americans are not all one people, they have many different tribes, so what one tribe does another can't necessarily change. Not all Native Americans want to see the name changed, but that doesn't mean it should not be.
  14. Fritsch_the_cat

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    Agreed, it should never have came to this point. The Washington franchise should have handled this decades ago when first brought to their attention.
  15. Doomsday101

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    Yes they are not one people but there are many tribes in the southwest who use the name themselfs. I don't think then mane should change and I think what the Feds did was chicken shat, the courts ruled on it but some bleeding heart has the right to go over the courts and pull this BS. So pretty much they can do what they damn well please. They can do it with this they can do it with anything they want. That is not right
  16. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    They did they choose not to change the name of their property. Pretty much anytime some one gets their panties in a wad we are to bend over and just take it. Maybe you but there are some who do not see it that way.
  17. Doomsday101

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    No wonder we are losing so many rights. Man wants to fly his flag and told no because it offends someone. I take great offense to a fed government that is way out of control
  18. Fritsch_the_cat

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    I know of two small Native American schools that use the name Redskins, I wouldn't call that "many"
  19. Fritsch_the_cat

    Fritsch_the_cat Well-Known Member

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    I see, you're not offended so no one else should be. That's not how it works.
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  20. Fritsch_the_cat

    Fritsch_the_cat Well-Known Member

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    You'll not get much disagreement from Indians about the federal government. They are learning how to work with the system to make changes however.
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