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"Win-or-go-home" from a team point of view

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by percyhoward, Jul 14, 2013.

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  1. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    I don't have time for this nonsense start answering my questions.
  2. percyhoward

    percyhoward Research Tool

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    Ask away.
  3. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    There is a reason many coaches, players are on a hot seat every year, if you are not producing you will be gone. Hell if the kicker is not producing he is gone and we see it every year.

    I don't disagree that a HC has a lot of influnce in wins and loses. QB has a lot to but again how often does a QB play on defense? He has no control or influence at all on defense he is not beaching players or promoting players.
    QB can pretty much lose a game by himself very hard for him to win one by himself.
  4. ScipioCowboy

    ScipioCowboy More than meets the eye. Zone Supporter

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    Yes, I can. But it required some peculiar inversions of the quantum wave function and the same box into which Schrodinger put his cat.
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  5. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    My question was if you had the #1 overall pick and had the choice between the top QB in the past decade and the top defensive player in the past decade who would you pick and why? Great QB prospects don't come a long that often and they have more control over a game than any one player on offense or defensive player. You can have a Dick Butkus and lose every week if your QB sucks. You can't win in todays game if your QB sucks. FANS can bring up Dilfer and Bad Johnson all they want but that was more than a decade ago. You can't win a championship with a bus driver or a QB who has repeated turnover issues in win or go home games.
  6. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Give me a direct answer if you had the #1 overall pick and had the choice between the top QB in the past decade and the top defensive player in the past decade who would you pick and why?
  7. percyhoward

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    How many times should I say QB before it counts as an answer?
  8. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    1st of you claiming who can win is your opinion. I don't think you need a HOF QB to win, Flacco is not a HOF QB you may claim otherwise that is your view hell fans in Balt was moaning about Flacco the way you guys moan about Romo until now. What if Romo and the Cowboys win a SB then he all of a sudden is now a great HOF QB? He has the numbers so what add the SB and HOF here we come? You guys are something else take a team achivement and place it on one and claim greatness. Romo is a great QB capable of winning but it is only going to happen if this TEAM goes out and performs but you don't get that NO it is the QB he is going to lead us? Really when they start playing defense and special team then I will agree with you until then he only has control over 1 part of the team and even there he must get help. Montana was great but the 85 Bears made him look poor there is a lot in winning but you don't get it.

    As for the draft there is only 1 QB on a team and within a draft only a small number of QB are in the draft.
  9. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    A QB can have a big affect on their own defense by not being effective and turning the ball over putting their defense back on the field. A QB's turnovers can cause their defense to have to defend a short field. If a QB is misfiring all day leading to a lot of short series it can contribute to their defense wearing down. How can a QB lose a game by themselves but not win a game by themselves? A 4-5 turnover performance by a QB can lose a game as easily as a 4-5 TD performance can win a game.
  10. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    You didn't complete the answer why would you pick the QB?
  11. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    This is the most asinine thing I have ever read! All this tells us is that you know know nothing about the word TEAM!

    The kicker can win many games for a team and has nothing to do with the QB or HC. It happens all over the NFL!

    A kick off specialist can run back the first kick of a game and that is all it would take for that team to win...nothing to do with the QB or HC. It happens all over the NFL.

    A CB (think Brandon Carr) can steal a victory from a team that is about to win the game (the steelers last year)...it has nothing to do with the QB or the HC. It happens all over the NFL.

    An onside kick recovered to eventually go on to win a game has nothing to do with the QB or HC. It happens all over the NFL.

    I could give lots of examples of how teams win that has nothing to do with the QB or HC.

    A field goal kicker could go for the last minute win but the ball hits the upright and they lose. It has nothing to do with the QB or the HC. It happens all over the NFL.

    Learn the game or go watch tennis or golf.
  12. Aurican

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    At the end of the day the game is about results, you can make excuses for why just about any player or coach in the league is not successful. Romo leading the league in interceptions sure didn't do the defence any favours either. One can make the argument that if Romo had the best defense in the league he would win the Super Bowl but the same could be said about numerous QB's. If Romo never wins more than a single playoff game some may find comfort that he has a high passer rating along with Rivers and Pennington and say it wasn't his fault but in the end there are no awards for potential or passer ratings or what ifs, the opportunities one has are limited and so far Romo has blown quite a few and is running out of time.
  13. percyhoward

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    Because the QB is the most important single position on the team.

    OK, your turn.

    Can you think of even one game in which a team passed poorly against a pass defense that didn't perform well?
  14. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    I agree....!

    Wait...what?

    :eek:
  15. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    The Cowboy defense was 4th worst in causing turnovers last year.
  16. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    That is because the QB and HC did not do their jobs.

    :cool:
  17. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Then you're putting your own spin on it as usual. LOL Again show me the post were I said Romo is the "only player" important to the success of the team?
  18. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    That's not good especially when your QB is handing the opposing defenses turnovers.
  19. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    As least we finally agree on something. Sometimes a team passes poorly because their QB is having a terrible day and it has little to do with how the pass defense performed. It's not like Larry Brown had play a great game and make leaping grabs to pick off Neil O'Donnell twice in SB XXX. Do you think it was a great play by Barbie Carpenter that resulted in that int off of Romo vs Detroit in 2011 or was it a bad throw by Romo?
  20. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    I must have misunderstood you. As a Cowboy FAN I just thought you were sticking up for Romo and Garrett?

    My bad...carry on.
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