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With J Jones out, look for us to run better

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by cowboys101, Oct 13, 2005.

  1. cowboys101

    cowboys101 New Member

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    I think teams have been loading up to stop JJ and with him out I think Giants will focus more on stopping the pass which could mean a big day for the RB's.


    Teams have to respect Bledsoe after last weeks game. We have a real NFL QB and teams can no longer just gang up on the run and blitz our QB to death.

    Its nice to have a complete team.
  2. canters

    canters Active Member

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    I just hope T. Thompson don't get a case of the fumbles...We will be OK otherwise and I expect a win with or without JJ.
  3. Eddie

    Eddie Well-Known Member

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    Don't buy into it. Without JJ's running threat, the Cowboys are now a one dimensional team. Look what happened to us last year without a running game.

    TT is NOT the answer or even a threat at RB. Don't believe it and don't delude yourself.

    Teams will throw the book at Bledsoe with no thought of playing the Run.
  4. cwbyfan72

    cwbyfan72 Active Member

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    Then they will get burned! T2 ran all over the Iggs, and last time I checked, they were a better defense against the run. AS long as our Oline runblocks and pass blocks like last week, I like our ground game. Just hold on to the damn ball!!!
  5. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it is delusional at all to think Thompson has some skills and can help in the running game. Every time he has been given an opportunity he has done well with the exception of a couple of blown assignments in blocking. I grant you JJ is the better back but I think Dallas can still have some success running the ball with Thompson in the game
  6. Canadian BoyzFan

    Canadian BoyzFan Active Member

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    Do you need a hug dude? You are always so negative.
  7. Eddie

    Eddie Well-Known Member

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    TT ran over the Iggles in the 2nd half of a game which was a blowout. The Iggles DL had no depth and we punished them for it.

    Do not think for a second TT is an improvement over JJ.
  8. Eddie

    Eddie Well-Known Member

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    How is realizing Tyson Thompson, Marion Barber, and Anthony Thomas NOT being an improvement over Julius Jones being negative???

    I'm simply stating the facts. I don't buy into fantasy and make-believe. I love the Cowboys but am not blinded into believing hype and science fiction.

    Sorry, but an undrafted rookie FA RB DOES NOT scare the Giants.
  9. Canadian BoyzFan

    Canadian BoyzFan Active Member

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    That's not what you said....you said without JJ we are one dimensional. TT is < than JJ...but will be just fine...imo.
  10. Eddie

    Eddie Well-Known Member

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    Yep, that's exactly what I said. Without JJ we will be one dimensional.

    Read the header of the thread ... WITHOUT JJ, WE WILL RUN BETTER.

    ***?? You kidding me??? I think we saw what we were capable of last year without JJ.

    If you want to believe we'll be fine with TT, then that's up to you. I have a bridge to sell you and Peter Pan is fighting pirates in NeverNeverLand. :confused:
  11. cwbyfan72

    cwbyfan72 Active Member

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    Never said he was an improvement. I merely said that he faired pretty well against a good defense lining up to stop the run. Believe me, I would feel much better if JJ was set to go. I also stated we would be succesful only if we created holes like last week. JJ had 75 yards in the first half too:D
  12. AMERICAS_FAN

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    I agree with you on that. If JJ can't play then I don't even see TT starting. Instead I see the A-Train starting. Why? Three reasons:

    First reason: Without JJ running the ball, using our passing game as the focal-point of the offense becomes critical. A-Train is better that TT at picking up blocking assignmrnts for the passing game. Also, A-Train is excellent as receiver coming out of the backfield. He's the best back we have at that. Without JJ in the Giants will likely play less men up front and more 2-deep zones to take away our downfield pass. That will open things up for passes underneath, where A-train will be more valuable than TT.

    Second reason: IF JJ can't play then we can afford to use up the extra roster spot to activate A-Train. TT will be activated anywany becuase of Special teams. I think TT will mainly be used there, and will occasionally be used to spell A-Train at RB.

    Third reason: A-Train is more esperienced at RB and is not known as a fumbler. TT is too eager to show his stuff and often runs undisciplined and doesn't protect the ball. A-Train on the other hand (and in addition to what he ads in the passing game) runs more conservatively. In other words, he will manage the game better from the RB position. With your starter RB out what you want from the backup is to minimize mistake; not to come out like Ramob and shooting your team in the foot.

    AF
  13. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I agree that we are not better off without JJ but I don't think we become 1 demensional either and I would not be suprised to see Thompson have a good game but a lot of that starts up front which is the case for Jones as well.
  14. Eddie

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    I remember when Emmitt held out in 1993. Everyone shouted how ANYONE could run behind this offensive line. Well, I guess Sherman Williams proved otherwise.

    JJ being out really worries me. He's the focal point of our O, and the cog which keeps opposing D's off balance. See what happened in Philly when D's cramed the LoS to stop the run???

    This won't happen again. NY won't respect any of our backup RB's like they do JJ. They won't load the LoS and leave CB's one on one with Terry Glenn or Key.

    The Giants will play Cover Two, leave both Safeties in deep coverage, and force us to beat them on the ground.
  15. Jarv

    Jarv Loud pipes saves lives. Zone Supporter

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    I hope so Eddie. TT hits the hole sooo fast that it would be nice to have the safties playing deep leaving a running gap between the LB's and safties. I see a lot of 10-15 yard gains by TT.

    If he had a little wiggle to him I could see him busting some VERY long runs.
  16. Givincer

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    Eddie nobody here is saying Thompson is a superior or even equal talent to Jones. What I believe is being said is that the way the game will be approached by the NYG will allow our running game (if Julius is not in ) to succeed more. The Giants will think we will be one dimensional like you said we would be and even if Thompson isn't as good as Jones he's shown he has the ability to run the ball hard - If the Giants are playing the pass all day Thompson I believe can run it down their throats not necesarily because of ability but because of how little the defense respects him or our offensive line's run blocking ability (which I think will continue to improve)
  17. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Jones nor Thompson is exactly Emmitt Smith either. This ideal that Thompson some bad RB is BS, he may not be as good as Jones and I would not argue that at all but yes I think Thompson can do the job along with our other RB on the team. I saw enough of Thompson to think he can do the job and no I have no rose colored glass just more faith in the kid than you do.
  18. PJCOWBOYS

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    Uh...no one is saying TT is better than JJ. What Thompson gives us is game breaking spead. Yes, he doesn't have the elusiveness that Jones has, but he can get tough yards that JJ hasn't been able to get so far this season because of his initial burst. No one is asking TT to get 120 yards. Just get the Giants to respect the run, that's all. I am sure Anthony Thomas too will get some carries.


  19. Eddie

    Eddie Well-Known Member

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    I truly hope so. I don't think the Giants will allow Glenn or Key to get open in single coverage. There's always going to be a Safety back there.

    If JJ was playing, he'd rip the Giants apart for playing Cover 2. Unfortunately, I don't feel the same optimism with our backup RB's.

    I'm hoping the backups can keep the chains moving just enough to keep the Giants D off-balance. Force them to get greedy and start blitzing a few times. It also depends on how well our OL holds up.

    We have to attack, but we also have to play keep-away. The Giants O can score ... and score in bunches. They're no joke. Poke fun at Eli all you want, but he's gonna put up points.

    I'm just not too sure we have the RB's capable of moving the chains enough to keep Eli off the field.
  20. scottsp

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    I don't think with Thompson carrying the bulk of the mail, we will necessarily be one dimensional. Last year, without Jules, we did not have this sort of contingency. We got heavy doses of Eddie friggin George. At that point of his career, there is no reason for a defense to fear our running game. The guy was no threat to turn something off tackle into thirty yards.

    This offense will suffer some degree of drop-off in the nonrushing aspects such as pass blocking, but make no mistake about it: the Giants will have to account for Thompson's ability to run the football. In fact, I hope they make the mistake of totally dismissing that element if Jules is not a go.

    I would imagine New York, given their defensive issues, will do what they can to protect themselves in the passing game where they are absolutely dreadful. All the runners must do now is protect the football because the one thing the Giants are adept at is forcing turnovers.

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