Quinn vs Byron Jones

[Killerinstinct]

Assuming you can re-sign one, which do you choose?

Please give your reasons.

 

[CATCH17]

Assuming you can re-sign one, which do you choose?

Please give your reasons.

It’s a tough choice because of age but I believe you build great defenses with front 7s that make life harder on the QB.

The rules are against corners so even the really great corners aren’t all that.

I think I choose Byron because of age but if it’s for 1 season I go Quinn.

 

[John813]

Jones.

But it depends on contract demands/bidding

 

[shabazz]

Damn, Quinn's got a great motor, would hate to see him go

 

[quickccc]

Quinn, .. it's been proven that you can get away with a ferociously effective enough pass rush to mask suspect coverage to win (ala Philly SB drive and win with great rush/suspect coverage; ditto with 85' Bears with average CBs)

... than vice versa with solid coverage but poor pass rush - just cannot cover guys downfield forever with no pass rush and needing to get home to the QB.

 

[Killerinstinct]

Damn, Quinn's got a great motor, would hate to see him go

I hate to see either of them go. Both positions have given us fits in the past trying to find solutions.

What if we lose both?

 

[The Quest for Six]

I'd sign Quinn,, great motor, good pass rusher, character guy, cost effective short term 2 or 3 year deal, he'll be 30 years old in May....Byron is a good corner but just doesn't create turnovers and he'll be looking for a long term top ten corner money deal..

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Jones because of his age and how hard it is to develop quality corners in the league who understand coverage schemes and have the athleticism to execute them. I think they can sign both though and will. I'd like to take advantage of the depth at WR and DT in this draft, and you can't do that letting the best CB on your team and your best speed rusher walk away. That's only creating more holes in your team.

 

[Killerinstinct]

I'd sign Quinn,, great motor, good pass rusher, character guy, cost effective short term 2 or 3 year deal, he'll be 30 years old in May....Byron is a good corner but just doesn't create turnovers and he'll be looking for a long term top ten corner money deal..

I lean towards Quinn too but you hope that your first rd picks end up being cornerstones and not one term rentals. Byron doesn't get many turnovers but his other stats are stellar.

 

[xwalker]

Assuming you can re-sign one, which do you choose?

Please give your reasons.

It's not an apples to apples comparison.

Jones will get a longer and larger contract. Quinn's age and somewhat journeyman career will limit his contract.

I'm a big fan of Byron Jones as a good character (Darren Woodson type character) but a DB with no INTs just doesn't equate to mega-contract in my mind.

It's not the actual INTs that concern me. It's the fact that teams will and some already have started to just throw it up for grabs against BJ because they had no fear of the INT.

If they keep Quinn for the 8M per year that they paid him in 2019, then I'm in favor of it. I'm out way before 16M per.

 

[Killerinstinct]

Jones because of his age and how hard it is to develop quality corners in the league who understand coverage schemes and have the athleticism to execute them. I think they can sign both though and will. I'd like to take advantage of the depth at WR and DT in this draft, and you can't do that letting the best CB on your team and your best speed rusher walk away. That's only creating more holes in your team.

I hope your right but I don't see how we keep both and Dak and Amari plus others.

 

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[tm1119]

Obviously as a fan I have no real clue about Quinn’s makeup...but it is fair to point out that his #’s significantly dipped and was subsequently traded after his 1st big contract. Could easily be a coincidence and injuries did play a part, but it’s not something that can be ignored in my opinion. Last year was his 1st 9+ sack season since 2014 and it happens to be (likely) his last shot at a good pay day coming up.

But again, I don’t know...Quinn could be an amazing teammate with a great work ethic.

Byron is a very good cover CB but the great ones that create TO’s deserve the big paydays. But how much did Rod’s Stone Age system play into the lack of TO’s?

Hard choice either way

 

[ondaedg]

Quinn, .. it's been proven that you can get away with a ferociously effective enough pass rush to mask suspect coverage to win (ala Philly SB drive and win with great rush/suspect coverage; ditto with 85' Bears with average CBs)

... than vice versa with solid coverage but poor pass rush - just cannot cover guys downfield forever with no pass rush and needing to get home to the QB.

That is not correct. Plenty of data analysis that has shown good DBs are the better long term bet. For example the 2019 Pats didn't have anyone with more than 7 sacks yet were among the best at INTs. There's a reason Gilmore is in NE.

 

[mattjames2010]

I don't expect Quinn to continue playing at a high level.

 

[ondaedg]

Obviously as a fan I have no real clue about Quinn’s makeup...but it is fair to point out that his #’s significantly dipped and was subsequently traded after his 1st big contract. Could easily be a coincidence and injuries did play a part, but it’s not something that can be ignored in my opinion. Last year was his 1st 9+ sack season since 2014 and it happens to be (likely) his last shot at a good pay day coming up.

But again, I don’t know...Quinn could be an amazing teammate with a great work ethic.

Byron is a very good cover CB but the great ones that create TO’s deserve the big paydays. But how much did Rod’s Stone Age system play into the lack of TO’s?

Hard choice either way

Byron will be paid like a good cover guy who doesn't get INTs. Quinn is a pass rush specialist only. The NFL knows their weaknesses and they will be paid accordingly. I have faith in the owners.

 

[cowboyec]

Byron Jones.
just coming into his prime.
i'd hate to see another team reap our harvest.
good CBs are hard to find...we got one...i'd like to keep him.
he might not have alot of picks...but i would love to see if those numbers would change with a new coaching staff.

 

[USArmyVet]

Assuming you can re-sign one, which do you choose?

Please give your reasons.

Dallas has no legitimate #1 CB behind Jones so you sign him.

 

[CATCH17]

It's not an apples to apples comparison.

Jones will get a longer and larger contract. Quinn's age and somewhat journeyman career will limit his contract.

I'm a big fan of Byron Jones as a good character (Darren Woodson type character) but a DB with no INTs just doesn't equate to mega-contract in my mind.

It's not the actual INTs that concern me. It's the fact that teams will and some already have started to just throw it up for grabs against BJ because they had no fear of the INT.

If they keep Quinn for the 8M per year that they paid him in 2019, then I'm in favor of it. I'm out way before 16M per.

I think we need to factor in the Cowboys coaches doing a terrible job at finding Byron Jones a position to start his career and he was still an All Pro as a corner.

 

[McKDaddy]

It’s a tough choice because of age but I believe you build great defenses with front 7s that make life harder on the QB.

The rules are against corners so even the really great corners aren’t all that.

I absolutely believe you build teams from the inside so in general i will almost always say the lineman is more important. However, one argument I would use against a pass rusher is that teams can negate great rushers with scheme. Quick passes, running right at an undersized rusher, roll pocket away, etc.. If you have truly high level cover guys, its harder to scheme them out of the game. (of course that means you need solid coverage across the board not just the one guy.) I simply offer this as i believe we sometimes overvalue pass rushers and then wonder why they didn't make the difference in the biggest games.