Beef along OL

[buybuydandavis]

I feel the same way. I think this is his year. I wonder if Tyron was to retire what route would they go? Slid Collins to left tackle or Connor Williams to left tackle?

Collins is a tough one to judge because he *looks* like a G, but is actually better at RT. Even how he plays RT is weird, but he makes it work well. More upright than most, but a good punch and good feet. Maybe he'd make it work at LT too.

He kind of reminds me of Bettis. Big man with seemingly dainty feet.

Years ago I wanted to see Collins try some FB when we had Leary to get our quality on the field. He so good hitting guys on the move. If Williams is a starting quality RT, we could try that. I'm big on trying to beat the other team with mismatches when we're deeper than they are. We're deep on the oline.

Here's another dream. Cooper, Gallup, Lamb, Smith, Pollard. The Track Team. A defense would need a *lot* of speed to keep up with those guys.

So many possibilities held back for so long by "we do what we do".

 

[Big_D]

I don't think Biadasz is starting day 1. Might sit a year.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Good point on the inexperience of both McGovern and Biadasz.

Coaches will generally try to avoid have 2 OL, especially 2 side by side that have zero NFL experience.

These seem more likely for game 1 than Biadasz/McGovern together:
OC Looney, LG McGovern
OR
OC Biadasz, LG Connor Williams
OR
OC McGovern, LG Connor Williams

The other side of that pancake is that coaches want development and stability, and going with Biadasz and McGovern sets the oline for the next 3 years. *Next* year can build off the progress of this year, instead of changing again.

C is Biadasz's to lose, IMO.

LG is debatable. I could see them going with Williams over McGovern, and grooming McGovern to be the interior oline backup.

Depends a lot on just what they think they have for backup OT. I'd feel better with Williams being swing T, or LT2 and Knight as RT2, than Knight being the swing and relying on Hyatt or some other for OT3.

It's so much cleaner with Biadasz and McGovern at C and LG.

 

[Wood]

Those measurable are padded to make him look good and if he is that weight it’s not good weight it’s fat and has slowed his weak body even more.


Issac Garcia is hidden gem that will be starting LG he has natural size 6’-6” 320 lbs and strength that Connor Williams will never have no matter how much he goes into the weight room.

Garcia looks like Tackle to me in video I saw. I love when Cowboys do those random Int'l project signings.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Collins is a tough one to judge because he *looks* like a G, but is actually better at RT. Even how he plays RT is weird, but he makes it work well. More upright than most, but a good punch and good feet. Maybe he'd make it work at LT too.

He kind of reminds me of Bettis. Big man with seemingly dainty feet.

Years ago I wanted to see Collins try some FB when we had Leary to get our quality on the field. He so good hitting guys on the move. If Williams is a starting quality RT, we could try that. I'm big on trying to beat the other team with mismatches when we're deeper than they are. We're deep on the oline.

Here's another dream. Cooper, Gallup, Lamb, Smith, Pollard. The Track Team. A defense would need a *lot* of speed to keep up with those guys.

So many possibilities held back for so long by "we do what we do".

Yeah I think it’s easy to say Collins can’t play LT because he doesn’t look like he can. He looks like a center or guard. But I’m not willing to write him off yet. He made the transition to right tackle well.

 

[quickccc]

Williams was seriously misused by the last staff.

Not everyone can just switch to guard after being a tackle forever. He was probably better than he got credit for though.

Wouldnt count on Biadasz winning a job this year. Not strong enough. Looney will easily beat him out.

Misused ?
again ...where else was Conner gonna play and start with Tyron and Collins already here as OT starters ?
The LG role was wide open and available. and they thought so very highly of Williams as a pure prospect.

 

[quickccc]

Whereas this tread is stressing pure measurements and size bulk, to me- it's more about skill set, consistency, technical sound, durability and discipline, i'm more
for having here.

Under a vastly better OL coach (Marc Columbo) we had a unit that was 2nd in NFL in sacks allowed, and help pave the way for a 1300 rushing yds RB.

Remember the bigger line of Flozell Adams, Andre Gurode, Columbo, and Leonard Davis in the Romo dayz ?
Jerry threw a ton of money into that OL, but it was one of the more non-discipline, easily to fool, poor to react to stunts and twists and games.
Very inconsistent. And another thing that was overlooked was it wasnt in the best of shape and in season's end such as Giants playoff game 2007
They flat lined. Gassed out (along with the starting RB Barber) and when the coaches had to get Romo to take over the game, the giants DL just
overwhelmed that grizzly size bear OL - they coudn't block Tucker, Strahan, Tucker etc. to save romo's life.

and it reared it's ugly head again with Vikes blowout playoff loss - when we're asking Witten to block Jared Allen, and the Vikes DL would fake drop back into
coverage and then re-charge the DL again, when our OL was focused on intitial charge and never reacted to stunts and twists upfront. The teams with
the better DL and coaches knew how to attack that OL.

With last year's unit. It was about properly coached unit (a far cry from Paul Alexander ..uugh!!) when Columbo took over, yes we have adequately sized guys.
and notice there are no 330 pounders on the OL, in fact per player they seem to average around 310 lb area.
It wasn't about their weight and bulk, but how they play the game strong and disciplined. that's more what i want to continue to see.

 

[xwalker]

I don't see a difference in their feet when they play out on the field.

I don't mean this to sound like a smartazz, but most fans won't see the difference in good vs elite foot quickness.

Everybody can see the different in Cam Fleming (sluggish) and Tyron (Adonis) but unless you spent a lot of time studying OLinemen and have done it more than a couple of seasons, then it won't be obvious to see good vs elite.

Most fans are not as obsessive as I am, and there is no reason that they should spend excessive time reviewing players; however, it's a developed skill, especially with regards to OLinemen. I spend a stupid amount of time reviewing both broadcast game footage and coaches film. I spend more time reviewing OLinemen than any other position. I've been doing it for many years.

I don't post based a connect the dots type of thinking (i.e. Opinion based on a players size or other measurable(s) or what other fans/media say, etc.).

 

[fivetwos]

Misused ?
again ...where else was Conner gonna play and start with Tyron and Collins already here as OT starters ?
The LG role was wide open and available. and they thought so very highly of Williams as a pure prospect.

You answered your own question.

 

[kskboys]

The only realy issue w/ Williams is if he can stay on the field.

 

[quickccc]

You answered your own question.

Still waiting for your elusive answer ...

 

[dallasdave]

Same here.

Dallas needs a swing tackle

 

[black label]

i love u a true ffan, beers for me and u bro

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Broadcast game footage is not "film". It's only "film" if you pay for the coaches film.

Objection your honor, that's dumbell-ism. If it can be reproduced or re-shown, its film. Why you think they call it NFL films?

--JK.

 

[fivetwos]

Still waiting for your elusive answer ...

Yes. Misused. The guy is a tackle and they stuck him at guard because he was a high pick and both tackle spots were taken.

Not everyone can interchange between the spots effectively. He is probably on that list. Now most people think he stinks.

 

[black label]

looney is like wack man, i donmt know its loney

 

[Stash]

Dallas needs a swing tackle

They might have it covered between Williams, Knight, and Hyatt.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

Garcia looks like Tackle to me in video I saw. I love when Cowboys do those random Int'l project signings.

He is little too slow for tackle without the fundamentals down. OG allows the scheme to take advantage of his pulling ability and strength to create running gaps. Playing OT will help in pass protection situation. Dude should be able to win the LG spot by 2nd preseason game!


Also having naturally strong LG & RG( can take on DTs/DE 1v1) allows the Center to be pulled more which is Looney’s strength.

 

[Bullflop]

Connor Williams is and has been a work in progress. Year one, he lacked the strength. Year two, the offseason did him a favor in the strength area and his development gradually improved throughout the season. Many of us get down on a player when his first impressions fail to do him justice. Let's see what he can do this year before allowing his past to ruin our willingness to accept the present. He's improving but it takes time.

 

[quickccc]

Yes. Misused. The guy is a tackle and they stuck him at guard because he was a high pick and both tackle spots were taken.

Not everyone can interchange between the spots effectively. He is probably on that list. Now most people think he stinks.

Since you had to know that we already had starting OTs in place, then your misused statements practically implies that Williams should have
not been drafted by us.
- And i disagree with Williams stinks. He only gave up one sack all season.

But since he's not dominant.Since he's not a pro bowler, some here think he is a bad player at OG, instead of evaluating his total body of work -mound his good vs his bad.
Since he was taken as a high pick in the 2nd rd. i think the expectations have to pro bowl expectations, and Williams seems to be serviceable at this point.
Maybe he is a better tackle than OG, but to say he stinks, seems like a clear overreaction.