Dallas has too many slow WRs, need to add speed!

[MrPhil]

The point being that NFL is always evolving, 4.4 was considered elite speed and not many WRs and CBs ran it as prevelant as now. You have DE / DT running sub 4.8 ... which means that 4.4 is average speed nowadays in the NFL.

Clearly we are talking in circles. Exiting stage left......

 

[Doomsday]

Devin Smith 4.38
Tevin Jones 4.48
Jon'Vea Johnson 4.38

All 3 are on the roster

Cooper also ran at least a 4.42.

Sources: Alabama wide receiver Amari Cooper ran 4.31 to 4.37, not 4.42 at combine. There was a major discrepancy between the official 40-yard dash time listed for Alabama star wide receiver Amari Cooper at the NFL scouting combine and what he actually ran at Lucas Oil Stadium.

 

[OmerV]

How are Cooper and Gallup a clone of each other?

AS for speed, it's an asset, yes, but one that some overemphasize. Route running, hands, body control, instincts etc are more important. It's been poven over and over that blazing speed is not required to be a top receiver, and that is highlighted by the fact the best receiver of all time (Rice) did not have that kind of speed.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Speedy receivers... you can run them up the field or you can run them across the field. But some focus on 40 time like WR's are always running routes 40 yards down the field. How many Superbowls have the Patriots won? And how many speedy receivers did they have?

 

[CowboysBravesSpurs]

Such a stupid thread lmao. Obviously some kid who plays way too much Madden. Imagine thinking 4.4 is the average speed in the NFL. LOL. Stay in school kid.

 

[DanA]

It’s a different type of league compared 2014.

Was it a different type of league in 2017? I’m curious as to what is the cut off date for the new type of league.

 

[Doomsday101]

Who won the SB? Every team in the NFL including the Cowboys would take Hill over Gallup 24/7. The impact Hill has on coverage is on another level to what Gallup could ever imagine to do. Look what happened to Juju when he got exposed after AB left.

Who won the SB? KC did last year and the year before Pats and we could keep on going. I think Hill is a very good WR but if Hill was a different level his numbers would be much better than Gallup and yet they are not. Speed is one element at WR and while some players have elite speed not all speed WR are elite WR. Fact is major go to guy for KC Travis Kelce

 

[Doomsday101]

It’s a different type of league compared 2014.

It is not a different league? My god NFL has always had guys that had elite speed and not all of them very good. I respect speed but there is a lot more than that to be an elite WR in this league.

 

[AshyLarry06]

Who won the SB? KC did last year and the year before Pats and we could keep on going. I think Hill is a very good WR but if Hill was a different level his numbers would be much better than Gallup and yet they are not. Speed is one element at WR and while some players have elite speed not all speed WR are elite WR. Fact is major go to guy for KC Travis Kelce

I agree to some extent; Hill benefits from having the best QB in the league and maybe of all time in Pat Mahomes, a guy who has a literal arm-cannon. At the same time however, Tyreek Hill is one of a kind. He's the fastest player at any position that i have ever seen, and his speed is legitimately at a different level. Desean Jackson at one point was like that as well but even Desean was not as dynamic as Tyreek Hill is.

To mention JJ NELSON in the same breath as Tyreek Hill just because they are both 4.2-4.3 guys is absolutely ridiculous and almost blasphemy. There is only one Tyreek Hill; there are too many Ted Ginns and John Ross's (the category im sure Henry Ruggs III will be in in a couple years- idiotic pick by the Raiders but Classic Raiders). Like i said before, i'd take what we have any day over another John Ross or Ted Ginn Jr.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree to some extent; Hill benefits from having the best QB in the league and maybe of all time in Pat Mahomes, a guy who has a literal arm-cannon. At the same time however, Tyreek Hill is one of a kind. He's the fastest player at any position that i have ever seen, and his speed is legitimately at a different level. Desean Jackson at one point was like that as well but even Desean was not as dynamic as Tyreek Hill is.

To mention JJ NELSON in the same breath as Tyreek Hill just because they are both 4.2-4.3 guys is absolutely ridiculous and almost blasphemy. There is only one Tyreek Hill; there are too many Ted Ginns and John Ross's (the category im sure Henry Ruggs III will be in in a couple years- idiotic pick by the Raiders but Classic Raiders). Like i said before, i'd take what we have any day over another John Ross or Ted Ginn Jr.

and I respect Hill as a player. However there are many WR in the NFL who do not have the speed yet have produced more. Being an elite WR goes beyond speed.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Welp...guess we should just go get Usain then. That'll make us super bowl champs!

 

[OmerV]

The point being that NFL is always evolving, 4.4 was considered elite speed and not many WRs and CBs ran it as prevelant as now. You have DE / DT running sub 4.8 ... which means that 4.4 is average speed nowadays in the NFL.

How many DTs are running sub 4.8? That's rare.

I'm wondering if Jerry Rice and his average speed was as good a receiver as Willie Gault and his Olympic sprinter speed? Or of Larry FitzGerald is as good as Renoldo Nehemiah was. We could take a vote, but I think we would all have the same answer.

Speed is an asset, but blazing speed is not a requirement for success. Again, hands, route running, body control, instincts etc are more important.

And it's not as if our receivers are turtles in a game filled with hare's.

 

[817Gill]

I don’t think we had an issue at all getting the ball downfield last year. Both Cooper and Gallup get behind the defense routinely, this seems like a nonissue.

Plus we have Devin Smith if we need him, he’s most likely gonna be in the final 6-7 on the roster.

 

[jnday]

Dallas has accumulated too many WRs that are lesser clone of each other and really do not compliment the players on the roster fully.

This offense needs true speed and right now just about every team has WRs that runS 4.4 NFL WRs. Dallas should acquire someone like J.J Nelson 4.2 forty time that can blow the top off defense consistently.




Another option is to trade Gallup who really is a #3 with CD in the building and the front office shouldn’t overpay for a consistent ball dropping #3 receiver.

For every drop he had, there was ten catches that he had to perform circus tricks to catch due to terrible passing accuracy .

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Dez bryant TO Randy moss jerry rice AB d Hopkins Larry fitz Julio Jones. Out of them who was a burner?

And cooper ran a 4.31 hardly a slow forty.

You may want to look up the 40 times for the guys you mentioned. Julio Jones and Randy Moss ran sub 4.4 times at the combine

 

[Ebnorice]

You may want to look up the 40 times for the guys you mentioned. Julio Jones and Randy Moss ran sub 4.4 times at the combine

He was mentioning 4.2 forty’s. I’m simply saying they weren’t just known for being a burner. Like poster thinks is necessary

 

[Manwiththeplan]

He was mentioning 4.2 forty’s. I’m simply saying they weren’t just known for being a burner. Like poster thinks is necessary

Fair enough, but I don’t know who didn’t consider Moss a burner

 

[CATCH17]

It is not a different league? My god NFL has always had guys that had elite speed and not all of them very good. I respect speed but there is a lot more than that to be an elite WR in this league.

Speed creates space and it creates it quicker.

This offense tends to get box’d up and while I think Lamb is better then Ruggs I think Ruggs made our entire offense better because of the attention he has to receive down field and the space it would open up for our other receivers and Zeke.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Can this JJ Nelson catch the ball or does he have Nelson Agholor disease? The first thing a wide receiver has to be able to do is receive. Our present 3 (assumed) starters all seem to have that quality.

It never fails to amaze me how many people on here find some obscure BS to gripe about. Gimme football players ... you can have all those 40yd speeds and broad jump measurements.

 

[Doomsday101]

Speed creates space and it creates it quicker.

This offense tends to get box’d up and while I think Lamb is better then Ruggs I think Ruggs made our entire offense better because of the attention he has to receive down field and the space it would open up for our other receivers and Zeke.

Being so called being boxed has nothing to do with out WR but more about conservative ball control game plan. Cooper has speed, Gallup had no problems getting deep and Lamb will only add to it. I think Ruggs is a very good prospect but I will gladly take Lamb joining Cooper and Gallup in the lineup. I don't see the Cowboys WR core as any kinds of weakness.