Week 16 Loss at Eagles May Turn Out To Be Incredibly Fortuitous

[Stash]

Stephen Jones interrupted a meeting between Jerry and Garrett. SJ showed Jerry the contract McCarthy had just signed. He told Jerry how much it would cost to void the contract and pay Garrett. SJ said that they had not budgeted enough to cover it and it would have to come out of the liquor funds.

Jerry immediately told Garrett to close the door on the way out...(No possibility of Garrett winning vs Johnnie Walker Blue)...

I’ll have to add Johnnie Walker to my Christmas card list!

 

[xwalker]

they should have lost the week after and been picking at like 11

The Cowboys would have picked Lamb at #11...

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

they should have lost the week after and been picking at like 11

Maybe, but it may not matter. I really like the Lamb pick, and seeing the reactions of Eagles fans as we stole Lamb was priceless.

 

[Kwyn]

Here’s a list of all the pro’s and con’s of that loss:

Pros:
- Jason Garrett’s fate was sealed. ‘Nuff said.

- Winning that week would have prolonged the inevitable, this team and coaching staff had reached the end of the road. Losing 2 weeks later in the Wild Card or in the Divisional could have extended the Garrett tenure. Ew.

- Pick 17 in the 2020 draft. This is a sans Ceedee pro before I get to the obvious. Had we simply lost in the WC round like Philly, we would have been picking at 21 and them at 17. With 15ish real first round graded players every year, the chances at one of those players being available at 17 is high. Trading down or having a player fall in your lap both become very viable options in picks 16-18. At 21, you rarely get as lucky.

-That being said, Ceedee freakin Lamb. Imagine how we would feel if the Eagles got him? I’m glad we lost that game for this reason alone lol.

-This team was a wounded duck on its way down, winning this week would’ve been pointless as we certainly weren’t winning the Super Bowl.

-A culture of coaching ineptitude and a disorganized mess of responsibilities might have finally moved JJ to act like a normal owner. He’s already backed off as GM, and the leash he’s given Mike (a real HC btw) to go out and pick his own staff and impart his philosophy on the draft has been great. If he truly has learned, all the obstacles to deep playoff runs have theoretically been removed.

Cons:
-The way some players are judged after a year that was clearly one in which the coaching staff hit their limit, is severely lacking context. Especially since that week 16 game seems to be the favorite example.

-Never been one to care too much about pundits and fans, but the whole “8-8” Cowboys thing gets old especially when it’s been some time since we’ve been 8-8. How many guys on the roster now were here in ‘13? Now all of a sudden these are all 8-8 guys when the only common denominator between 8-8 and Dallas was Garrett? Gets annoying.

-Finally, acting like Philly is an annual SB lock because they beat us and made the playoffs is such a weird take. Don’t get me wrong they’ve definitely done more recently than us in terms of success, but this is getting laughable. I know they had injuries, but they were 5-7 coming off a loss to Miami. Everyone touts that they made some heroic late season comeback to make the playoffs when they literally beat two of the worst teams in the league and the lame duck Jason Garrett’s, followed by a Wentz injury and WC loss. Yet they are SB favorites by many again and some act like there is a huge gap between us both (Cowherd is the poster boy for this). I’ll take being the underdog but sheesh Philly hasn’t been a juggernaut since 2017 and wasn’t one before that. Solid team, solid FO, not a top SB pick.


In conclusion, that loss might have a huge impact on the future of this division. And to me, is just ahead of the Skins loss in October 2018 that netted us Amari Cooper. Losses that truly became wins.

It’s interesting that in your “cons” list you didn’t mention the fact that it cost us the division and a spot in the playoffs.

 

[fivetwos]

Why don't think you think he did this time?

He couldn't sell it to the fans this time.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Here’s a list of all the pro’s and con’s of that loss:

Pros:
- Jason Garrett’s fate was sealed. ‘Nuff said.

- Winning that week would have prolonged the inevitable, this team and coaching staff had reached the end of the road. Losing 2 weeks later in the Wild Card or in the Divisional could have extended the Garrett tenure. Ew.

- Pick 17 in the 2020 draft. This is a sans Ceedee pro before I get to the obvious. Had we simply lost in the WC round like Philly, we would have been picking at 21 and them at 17. With 15ish real first round graded players every year, the chances at one of those players being available at 17 is high. Trading down or having a player fall in your lap both become very viable options in picks 16-18. At 21, you rarely get as lucky.

-That being said, Ceedee freakin Lamb. Imagine how we would feel if the Eagles got him? I’m glad we lost that game for this reason alone lol.

-This team was a wounded duck on its way down, winning this week would’ve been pointless as we certainly weren’t winning the Super Bowl.

-A culture of coaching ineptitude and a disorganized mess of responsibilities might have finally moved JJ to act like a normal owner. He’s already backed off as GM, and the leash he’s given Mike (a real HC btw) to go out and pick his own staff and impart his philosophy on the draft has been great. If he truly has learned, all the obstacles to deep playoff runs have theoretically been removed.

Cons:
-The way some players are judged after a year that was clearly one in which the coaching staff hit their limit, is severely lacking context. Especially since that week 16 game seems to be the favorite example.

-Never been one to care too much about pundits and fans, but the whole “8-8” Cowboys thing gets old especially when it’s been some time since we’ve been 8-8. How many guys on the roster now were here in ‘13? Now all of a sudden these are all 8-8 guys when the only common denominator between 8-8 and Dallas was Garrett? Gets annoying.

-Finally, acting like Philly is an annual SB lock because they beat us and made the playoffs is such a weird take. Don’t get me wrong they’ve definitely done more recently than us in terms of success, but this is getting laughable. I know they had injuries, but they were 5-7 coming off a loss to Miami. Everyone touts that they made some heroic late season comeback to make the playoffs when they literally beat two of the worst teams in the league and the lame duck Jason Garrett’s, followed by a Wentz injury and WC loss. Yet they are SB favorites by many again and some act like there is a huge gap between us both (Cowherd is the poster boy for this). I’ll take being the underdog but sheesh Philly hasn’t been a juggernaut since 2017 and wasn’t one before that. Solid team, solid FO, not a top SB pick.


In conclusion, that loss might have a huge impact on the future of this division. And to me, is just ahead of the Skins loss in October 2018 that netted us Amari Cooper. Losses that truly became wins.

There is absolutely NO cons!!!! NONE.

It was all 100% positive. Changed the course of the immediate future for the Dallas Cowboys. Changed everything for the fan base. There is hope again. Legitimate hope.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It’s interesting that in your “cons” list you didn’t mention the fact that it cost us the division and a spot in the playoffs.

Because those were all good things. That's why Garrett got fired.

Heck, getting in front of Philly and getting the Lamb pick is icing on the cake.

If things were reversed, they get Lamb.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He couldn't sell it to the fans this time.

Not only that, but he couldn't sell it to his son anymore. It was clear that Stephen made him set a goal and if Garrett didn't hit it, Jerry would have to promise to fire him. At least it was obvious to me.

 

[reddyuta]

The Eagles seem to have a better ability to win when it really maters than the Cowboys. There is no way, given their injuries, the Eagles should have beaten the Cowboys week 16. But they controlled the game and scored when they had to despite having no WRs. I am guilty of mocking their draft this year, but we also shouldn't forget they have found players later in the draft.

even with having no good WRs their overall talent was better than the cowboys.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Because those were all good things. That's why Garrett got fired.

Heck, getting in front of Philly and getting the Lamb pick is icing on the cake.

If things were reversed, they get Lamb.

If Howdy Doody is not here that is all the Pro you need, there are NO CONS.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I still can't believe we got CeeDee, LOL.

I kinda start giggling every time I think about it. AND stole him from the Eagles is just gravy.

Aye some might say its pathetic but around here it felt good winning something. We won the draft. That Lamb pick was a great feeling. I won't have any shame on it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The Commanders were trying to lose in week 17. There was no question, all the talk of Bill Callahan wanting revenge was nonsense in the end. They were going to lose the game on purpose if they had to.

There was talk about Callahan wanting revenge lol? I agree though. Commanders were not losing that game.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Among other things yeah.

Wow that' insane if true.

 

[dreameaglegreen]

Aye some might say its pathetic but around here it felt good winning something. We won the draft. That Lamb pick was a great feeling. I won't have any shame on it.

Funny thing about winning the draft, you won't know for years to come if you did. You didn't need a receiver, but lamb could eventually replace gallup and be an upgrade down the line. As an eagles fan I was hoping he'd fall to us but I don't worry he didn't. I wanted the eagles to take the saints trade for ricky williams and would of been happy with mcnabb, culpepper, mcknown or akili smith at the 5th pick. Mcnabb turned out to be the best of the group but I do think we could of got him at 5, but taking him at 2 I have no shame on it.

 

[817Gill]

It’s interesting that in your “cons” list you didn’t mention the fact that it cost us the division and a spot in the playoffs.

Nah because in my pros I mentioned how (which I thought was painfully obvious) we were a wounded duck team with no real shot at doing anything except prolonging the Garrett tenure.

“Anything is possible once you get into the playoffs”, if you can honestly tell me that team and that coaching staff was gonna string 3 wins together and get to the SB you are borderline crazy. 9-7 and a divisional title are meaningless in the end game if you aren’t a team with an honest chance. Bad coaches don’t win SB’s.

Plus Ceedee to the Eagles would have sucked.

 

[Kwyn]

Nah because in my pros I mentioned how (which I thought was painfully obvious) we were a wounded duck team with no real shot at doing anything except prolonging the Garrett tenure.

“Anything is possible once you get into the playoffs”, if you can honestly tell me that team and that coaching staff was gonna string 3 wins together and get to the SB you are borderline crazy. 9-7 and a divisional title are meaningless in the end game if you aren’t a team with an honest chance. Bad coaches don’t win SB’s.

Plus Ceedee to the Eagles would have sucked.

I don’t know.

I kinda would have liked to win the division and go to the playoffs.

Super Bowl or Burn It Down is a false choice.

I always root for my team to win.

What you describe feels like the slippery slope to tanking which I could never get behind although I can see how some do.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Pros:
- Jason Garrett’s fate was sealed. ‘Nuff said.

- Winning that week would have prolonged the inevitable, this team and coaching staff had reached the end of the road. Losing 2 weeks later in the Wild Card or in the Divisional could have extended the Garrett tenure. Ew.

We win in Philly, and we end the regular season on a 3 game win streak, with 2 blowouts. Then we get a home playoff game. Dline is healthy with some actual talent.

Garrett wouldn't have been going anywhere. So fitting that he sealed his own fate by playing an injured Dak. Took the "don't blame me" play instead of starting Rush. WRs were wide open all day. We could have won with Moore at QB.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Not according to Bob Sturm's inside sources.

It was far closer to Jerry finding an excuse to keep him than you think. And far, far, scarier.

Win at Philly and it's a 3 game win streak to end the regular season and make the playoffs. The excuse was *very* close.

 

[817Gill]

I don’t know.

I kinda would have liked to win the division and go to the playoffs.

Super Bowl or Burn It Down is a false choice.

I always root for my team to win.

What you describe feels like the slippery slope to tanking which I could never get behind although I can see how some do.

I get the sentiment, but just realistically looking at the team and coaching staff it was more likely than not that this team didn’t have enough. We kind of all knew it even if we didn’t admit it. But fair point nonetheless.

 

[Kwyn]

I get the sentiment, but just realistically looking at the team and coaching staff it was more likely than not that this team didn’t have enough. We kind of all knew it even if we didn’t admit it. But fair point nonetheless.

I didn’t have high hopes for a super bowl run myself but wouldn’t this off season have felt a lot better if we had won the division and had a playoff game?

As it is, seemingly half of our fans here in CowboyZone seem to hate the team and I wonder if maybe it would only be a third if we had beat the Eagles lol

I’m kinda new so maybe this board is always like that.

/shrug