Garrett or Dak to blame?

[Irvin88_4life]

So I decided to look at records and teams that Garrett coached and see if Garrett is the reason for losing or if it's because of Dak.....

I didn't use any playoff games, just regular season. I also didn't use GB or division opponents

Saints 2-5
Arizona 1-3
Patriots 0-3
Seattle 2-4
Bills 1-2
Bears 2-3
Panthers 0-3
Falcons 1-3
Chargers 0-2
Broncos 0-2
Jets 0-3

While we do see a couple of good teams on that list, Garrett has struggled against very bad teams.... not just in the Dak era but Romo too. Garrett never beat the Jets, Broncos, Chargers, Panthers or Patriots and could almost add Arizona, Bills and Falcons to that list.

Now let's look at some teams he had winning records against.

Lions 4-2
Colts 2-1
49ers 3-1
Rams 4-1
Bucs 4-1


Dak was the QB that lost the only game in Garrett's time as HC to the Rams and Colts.

Cassel was the QB that lost to the Bucs

Romo was the QB that lost to the Lions twice and the 49ers once.




In closing these things don't tell the entire picture but what it does tell that regardless if Garrett had Romo, Dak or another QB he struggled to beat some bad teams. It's been a coaching issue when you can't beat the Jets in a 10 year span or beat Broncos, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots and might as well say Arizona, Atlanta or the Bills. Dak was the QB that beat Arizona and Atlanta to keep Garrett from being 0-4 against them. Romo was the QB that beat the Bills so Garrett didn't go 0-3 against them like Garrett record against the Jets and Patriots.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Both

 

[ElGatoGrande]

The defense has been a weakness since the 90s and I put that squarely on Jerry because he's chosen to focus primarily on shiny offensive players.

The organization/ Garrett FINALLY rebuilt the OL in the most painfully slow way possible and began reaping the benefits about the time Romo's body started falling apart. And, again, the defense was a detriment.

In walks Dak with his talents and his faults, helping in some ways and hurting in others. He has been a net negative since Romo left,,, and again, the defense is no help.

Blame Garrett all you want, that's certainly the bandwagon thing to do, he wasn't able to overcome the hurdles, but ultimately it's the GM and the QB who have had more impact.

 

[InTheZone]

Both, but some here may interpret this as "all Dak" or "only Dak and Garrett"...

 

[xwalker]

So I decided to look at records and teams that Garrett coached and see if Garrett is the reason for losing or if it's because of Dak.....

I didn't use any playoff games, just regular season. I also didn't use GB or division opponents

Saints 2-5
Arizona 1-3
Patriots 0-3
Seattle 2-4
Bills 1-2
Bears 2-3
Panthers 0-3
Falcons 1-3
Chargers 0-2
Broncos 0-2
Jets 0-3

While we do see a couple of good teams on that list, Garrett has struggled against very bad teams.... not just in the Dak era but Romo too. Garrett never beat the Jets, Broncos, Chargers, Panthers or Patriots and could almost add Arizona, Bills and Falcons to that list.

Now let's look at some teams he had winning records against.

Lions 4-2
Colts 2-1
49ers 3-1
Rams 4-1
Bucs 4-1


Dak was the QB that lost the only game in Garrett's time as HC to the Rams and Colts.

Cassel was the QB that lost to the Bucs

Romo was the QB that lost to the Lions twice and the 49ers once.




In closing these things don't tell the entire picture but what it does tell that regardless if Garrett had Romo, Dak or another QB he struggled to beat some bad teams. It's been a coaching issue when you can't beat the Jets in a 10 year span or beat Broncos, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots and might as well say Arizona, Atlanta or the Bills. Dak was the QB that beat Arizona and Atlanta to keep Garrett from being 0-4 against them. Romo was the QB that beat the Bills so Garrett didn't go 0-3 against them like Garrett record against the Jets and Patriots.

The Cowboys have had a lot of success with Dak as the QB. Their record is 40-24 in the regular season and they've made the playoffs twice in 4 years.

It is impossible that both Dak and Garrett were bad.

Either Dak was better than his record because he had to overcome Garrett and his offense...

OR

Garrett was a super awesome HC and with a great offensive scheme to make the playoffs twice in 4 years with a terrible QB.

Anyone that criticizes Dak is by definition praising Garrett.

 

[JMech]

So I decided to look at records and teams that Garrett coached and see if Garrett is the reason for losing or if it's because of Dak.....

I didn't use any playoff games, just regular season. I also didn't use GB or division opponents

Saints 2-5
Arizona 1-3
Patriots 0-3
Seattle 2-4
Bills 1-2
Bears 2-3
Panthers 0-3
Falcons 1-3
Chargers 0-2
Broncos 0-2
Jets 0-3

While we do see a couple of good teams on that list, Garrett has struggled against very bad teams.... not just in the Dak era but Romo too. Garrett never beat the Jets, Broncos, Chargers, Panthers or Patriots and could almost add Arizona, Bills and Falcons to that list.

Now let's look at some teams he had winning records against.

Lions 4-2
Colts 2-1
49ers 3-1
Rams 4-1
Bucs 4-1


Dak was the QB that lost the only game in Garrett's time as HC to the Rams and Colts.

Cassel was the QB that lost to the Bucs

Romo was the QB that lost to the Lions twice and the 49ers once.




In closing these things don't tell the entire picture but what it does tell that regardless if Garrett had Romo, Dak or another QB he struggled to beat some bad teams. It's been a coaching issue when you can't beat the Jets in a 10 year span or beat Broncos, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots and might as well say Arizona, Atlanta or the Bills. Dak was the QB that beat Arizona and Atlanta to keep Garrett from being 0-4 against them. Romo was the QB that beat the Bills so Garrett didn't go 0-3 against them like Garrett record against the Jets and Patriots.

In Dak's losses to the Rams, he lost to a good coach with the Rams. When he lost to Indy, he lost to a great coach with the Colts.

 

[Big_D]

Garrett!!!

 

[blueblood70]

So I decided to look at records and teams that Garrett coached and see if Garrett is the reason for losing or if it's because of Dak.....

I didn't use any playoff games, just regular season. I also didn't use GB or division opponents

Saints 2-5
Arizona 1-3
Patriots 0-3
Seattle 2-4
Bills 1-2
Bears 2-3
Panthers 0-3
Falcons 1-3
Chargers 0-2
Broncos 0-2
Jets 0-3

While we do see a couple of good teams on that list, Garrett has struggled against very bad teams.... not just in the Dak era but Romo too. Garrett never beat the Jets, Broncos, Chargers, Panthers or Patriots and could almost add Arizona, Bills and Falcons to that list.

Now let's look at some teams he had winning records against.

Lions 4-2
Colts 2-1
49ers 3-1
Rams 4-1
Bucs 4-1


Dak was the QB that lost the only game in Garrett's time as HC to the Rams and Colts.

Cassel was the QB that lost to the Bucs

Romo was the QB that lost to the Lions twice and the 49ers once.




In closing these things don't tell the entire picture but what it does tell that regardless if Garrett had Romo, Dak or another QB he struggled to beat some bad teams. It's been a coaching issue when you can't beat the Jets in a 10 year span or beat Broncos, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots and might as well say Arizona, Atlanta or the Bills. Dak was the QB that beat Arizona and Atlanta to keep Garrett from being 0-4 against them. Romo was the QB that beat the Bills so Garrett didn't go 0-3 against them like Garrett record against the Jets and Patriots.

did we forget Wade phillips, Calhan, Linehan, Marinelli and Richard, who were the ST coaches? much of these records are team losses some failure in one or all phases can be pointed out in many games..just using the QB/HC combo is not a true stat..some of those games didnt witten and zeke (not a fumble) fumble? bad coverages, missed tackles, missed Fgs, giving up too much field positions etc etc

 

[Hennessy_King]

The Cowboys have had a lot of success with Dak as the QB. Their record is 40-24 in the regular season and they've made the playoffs twice in 4 years.

It is impossible that both Dak and Garrett were bad.

Either Dak was better than his record because he had to overcome Garrett and his offense...

OR

Garrett was a super awesome HC and with a great offensive scheme to make the playoffs twice in 4 years with a terrible QB.

Anyone that criticizes Dak is by definition praising Garrett.

 

[JD_KaPow]

The Cowboys have had a lot of success with Dak as the QB. Their record is 40-24 in the regular season and they've made the playoffs twice in 4 years.

It is impossible that both Dak and Garrett were bad.

Either Dak was better than his record because he had to overcome Garrett and his offense...

OR

Garrett was a super awesome HC and with a great offensive scheme to make the playoffs twice in 4 years with a terrible QB.

Anyone that criticizes Dak is by definition praising Garrett.

There's another possibility. You could go 40-24 with a bad coach and a bad QB if the defense and special teams were so terrific that...oh. Never mind.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Garrett is/was this issue he wasted one QB’s career and wasted 4 years of another QB so far.

If Dak doesn’t get it done the next couple of years it’s possible to place blame on him. But I don’t think it’s fair to place blame on Dak right now.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So I decided to look at records and teams that Garrett coached and see if Garrett is the reason for losing or if it's because of Dak.....

I didn't use any playoff games, just regular season. I also didn't use GB or division opponents

Saints 2-5
Arizona 1-3
Patriots 0-3
Seattle 2-4
Bills 1-2
Bears 2-3
Panthers 0-3
Falcons 1-3
Chargers 0-2
Broncos 0-2
Jets 0-3

While we do see a couple of good teams on that list, Garrett has struggled against very bad teams.... not just in the Dak era but Romo too. Garrett never beat the Jets, Broncos, Chargers, Panthers or Patriots and could almost add Arizona, Bills and Falcons to that list.

Now let's look at some teams he had winning records against.

Lions 4-2
Colts 2-1
49ers 3-1
Rams 4-1
Bucs 4-1


Dak was the QB that lost the only game in Garrett's time as HC to the Rams and Colts.

Cassel was the QB that lost to the Bucs

Romo was the QB that lost to the Lions twice and the 49ers once.




In closing these things don't tell the entire picture but what it does tell that regardless if Garrett had Romo, Dak or another QB he struggled to beat some bad teams. It's been a coaching issue when you can't beat the Jets in a 10 year span or beat Broncos, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots and might as well say Arizona, Atlanta or the Bills. Dak was the QB that beat Arizona and Atlanta to keep Garrett from being 0-4 against them. Romo was the QB that beat the Bills so Garrett didn't go 0-3 against them like Garrett record against the Jets and Patriots.

Nice research, but you didtn need all that. Garrett is just a bad coach. Don't need any stats to realize that. Especially after 14 years of watching the guy coach every Cowboys game here.

To me, when the idiot ran the ball 7 times total in the 2nd half against the Lions up 23 points when Murray was averaging 8 yards a carry proved he had no business coaching. And the laughable thing is he did it again a year later against the packers. We wind up losing both games. Romo throws like 3 picks in the 2nd half of each one.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The defense has been a weakness since the 90s and I put that squarely on Jerry because he's chosen to focus primarily on shiny offensive players.

The organization/ Garrett FINALLY rebuilt the OL in the most painfully slow way possible and began reaping the benefits about the time Romo's body started falling apart. And, again, the defense was a detriment.

In walks Dak with his talents and his faults, helping in some ways and hurting in others. He has been a net negative since Romo left,,, and again, the defense is no help.

Blame Garrett all you want, that's certainly the bandwagon thing to do, he wasn't able to overcome the hurdles, but ultimately it's the GM and the QB who have had more impact.

True they have been mediocre to bad, but looking back it seem Marinelli was the biggest culprit. The guy whiffed on guys he wanted that fit his system. If he hits on both Hill and Taco alone this defense is a lot better.

 

[johneric8]

The defense has been a weakness since the 90s and I put that squarely on Jerry because he's chosen to focus primarily on shiny offensive players.

The organization/ Garrett FINALLY rebuilt the OL in the most painfully slow way possible and began reaping the benefits about the time Romo's body started falling apart. And, again, the defense was a detriment.

In walks Dak with his talents and his faults, helping in some ways and hurting in others. He has been a net negative since Romo left,,, and again, the defense is no help.

Blame Garrett all you want, that's certainly the bandwagon thing to do, he wasn't able to overcome the hurdles, but ultimately it's the GM and the QB who have had more impact.

So you're saying that blame shouldn't be placed on a guy that should of never been a head coach in this league to begin with? Look, even though this was ultimately Jerry Jones's blunder for hiring the freckled puppet to begin with, the onus still falls on Jason for being a horrible head coach...

Also for the record, Prescott was one of our best players last year, you might want to change your meds.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The defense has been a weakness since the 90s and I put that squarely on Jerry because he's chosen to focus primarily on shiny offensive players.

The organization/ Garrett FINALLY rebuilt the OL in the most painfully slow way possible and began reaping the benefits about the time Romo's body started falling apart. And, again, the defense was a detriment.

In walks Dak with his talents and his faults, helping in some ways and hurting in others. He has been a net negative since Romo left,,, and again, the defense is no help.

Blame Garrett all you want, that's certainly the bandwagon thing to do, he wasn't able to overcome the hurdles, but ultimately it's the GM and the QB who have had more impact.

How has Dak hurt this team? LOL

Unless you are going to tell me that him being young and inexperienced is an issue.

Talk about lost? LOL

Blame a young inexperienced QB that has done nothing but lift this franchise and give a loser like Garrett a free pass? Laughable.

Look no further then what MM has done ALREADY in one offseason to see the impact a REAL HC can make on a franchise.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Garrett is/was this issue he wasted one QB’s career and wasted 4 years of another QB so far.

If Dak doesn’t get it done the next couple of years it’s possible to place blame on him. But I don’t think it’s fair to place blame on Dak right now.

I agree, the fact we were 4th worst team for dropping passes in 2019 isn't Dak's fault (its the receivers), the fact the plays (especially in the Red Zone) weren't successful isn't Dak's fault because he's not allowed to change plays on the field by analysing the defensive set up (that was Garrett's fault).

 

[CowboyRoy]

So you're saying that blame shouldn't be placed on a guy that should of never been a head coach in this league to begin with? Look, even though this was ultimately Jerry Jones's blunder for hiring the freckled puppet to begin with, the onus still falls on Jason for being a horrible head coach...

Also for the record, Prescott was one of our best players last year, you might want to change your meds.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Go Cowboys!

 

[CowboyRoy]

did we forget Wade phillips, Calhan, Linehan, Marinelli and Richard, who were the ST coaches? much of these records are team losses some failure in one or all phases can be pointed out in many games..just using the QB/HC combo is not a true stat..some of those games didnt witten and zeke (not a fumble) fumble? bad coverages, missed tackles, missed Fgs, giving up too much field positions etc etc

Yep...…….laying it on one or the other is just ridiculous. Fact of the matter is that if you have to blame one person in general, Garrett takes the cake. He is the HC and everything is under his control.

If MM still has a bad defense after a year or two I am blaming MM. The guy has full control over his staff and has a big influence on what they are doing personnel wise and players for his schemes.

And he isn't going to be some moron and just let a stooge like Marinelli do whatever he wants.

 

[CowboyoWales]

The OP should also include JJ for succumbing to overpaying Zeke and Amari.....no wonder Dak isn't going to take less when his fellow Offence are being over paid.

All 3 are to blame in their way.