Garrett or Dak to blame?

[Cowfan75]

Garrett. How many of those loses were simply due to Garrett's legendary inability to manage the clock, I wonder.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Yep...…….laying it on one or the other is just ridiculous. Fact of the matter is that if you have to blame one person in general, Garrett takes the cake. He is the HC and everything is under his control.

If MM still has a bad defense after a year or two I am blaming MM. The guy has full control over his staff and has a big influence on what they are doing personnel wise and players for his schemes.

And he isn't going to be some moron and just let a stooge like Marinelli do whatever he wants.

Unfair if he hasn't the resources to improve the defence due to the excessive offensive contracts.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Unfair if he hasn't the resources to improve the defence due to the excessive offensive contracts.

Garrett clearly left the defense all up to Marinelli and didn't bother overseeing any of it. A REAL HC oversees the entire team, hires and fires his coaches. Marinelli worked under Garrett.

We see MM making sure that things like safety and DT and RDE were properly addressed immediately as soon as he got in here. And with the type of players he wanted.

Now you can say he wasn't given that kind of power sure. But why? Because he didn't deserve it or couldn't be trusted with it.

 

[ondaedg]

Jason Garrett's record against winning teams during regular season

2010-2015 seasons: 12-30 .286 winning percentage ranked 19th
2016-2019 seasons: 13-17 .433 winning percentage ranked 9th

 

[CowboyoWales]

Garrett clearly left the defense all up to Marinelli and didn't bother overseeing any of it. A REAL HC oversees the entire team, hires and fires his coaches. Marinelli worked under Garrett.

We see MM making sure that things like safety and DT and RDE were properly addressed immediately as soon as he got in here. And with the type of players he wanted.

Now you can say he wasn't given that kind of power sure. But why? Because he didn't deserve it or couldn't be trusted with it.

My 'unfair' comment is direct at your comment that you'd blame MM after a year or two.

 

[CowboyRoy]

My 'unfair' comment is direct at your comment that you'd blame MM after a year or two.

Ah...……...no ultimately, its the job of the HC. And MM has things perfectly laid out for him. He has tons of talent, franchise QB about to enter his prime, salary cap is in great shape, had money to spend this offseason, had the 17th pick in the draft, got to pick his own staff, and has a GM and McClay that have been brining in the talent. So I am expecting that to continue.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Ah...……...no ultimately, its the job of the HC. And MM has things perfectly laid out for him. He has tons of talent, franchise QB about to enter his prime, salary cap is in great shape, had money to spend this offseason, had the 17th pick in the draft, got to pick his own staff, and has a GM and McClay that have been brining in the talent. So I am expecting that to continue.

Certainly isn't in great shape in 2021 ($36m left) and is not great in 2022 either.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Certainly isn't in great shape in 2021 ($36m left) and is not great in 2022 either.

How is 36 million not great? That covers Daks salary even if it was fully realized that year. EVERYONE is covered. If Dak signs long term, then his salary will be spread out. Probably only count about 28 million. So that would give us 9 million to spend. Doing some restructuring would give us any flexibility we need.

Being in bad shape is when you are already over the cap for the year and you need to resign guys.

At the end of 2022 we can start dumping guys like Zeke and Cooper with minimal dead money. That will free up another 35 million on guys we will no longer need.

 

[noshame]

Better yet

Garrett or Romo

 

[Sheepherder]

Nice research, but you didtn need all that. Garrett is just a bad coach. Don't need any stats to realize that. Especially after 14 years of watching the guy coach every Cowboys game here.

To me, when the idiot ran the ball 7 times total in the 2nd half against the Lions up 23 points when Murray was averaging 8 yards a carry proved he had no business coaching. And the laughable thing is he did it again a year later against the packers. We wind up losing both games. Romo throws like 3 picks in the 2nd half of each one.

 

[ShortRound]

 

[CowboyoWales]

How is 36 million not great? That covers Daks salary even if it was fully realized that year. EVERYONE is covered. If Dak signs long term, then his salary will be spread out. Probably only count about 28 million. So that would give us 9 million to spend. Doing some restructuring would give us any flexibility we need.

Being in bad shape is when you are already over the cap for the year and you need to resign guys.

At the end of 2022 we can start dumping guys like Zeke and Cooper with minimal dead money. That will free up another 35 million on guys we will no longer need.

That's 36million without paying for a QB. Which means it'll be difficult for MM to improve the defence personnel and will mean not resigning any of the FA's

You are surmising that he'll sign a long term contract which is the bases of everyone of my posts about Dak.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That's 36million without paying for a QB. Which means it'll be difficult for MM to improve the defence personnel and will mean not resigning any of the FA's

You are surmising that he'll sign a long term contract which is the bases of everyone of my posts about Dak.

Him signing a long term deal is about 90%. And even if he played again under the tag it is enough to pay him.

What FA's are you talking about not resigning? We will continue to build through the draft.

If every year we have to sign a big name FA then we are screwed anyway.

 

[starfan1]

So I decided to look at records and teams that Garrett coached and see if Garrett is the reason for losing or if it's because of Dak.....

I didn't use any playoff games, just regular season. I also didn't use GB or division opponents

Saints 2-5
Arizona 1-3
Patriots 0-3
Seattle 2-4
Bills 1-2
Bears 2-3
Panthers 0-3
Falcons 1-3
Chargers 0-2
Broncos 0-2
Jets 0-3

While we do see a couple of good teams on that list, Garrett has struggled against very bad teams.... not just in the Dak era but Romo too. Garrett never beat the Jets, Broncos, Chargers, Panthers or Patriots and could almost add Arizona, Bills and Falcons to that list.

Now let's look at some teams he had winning records against.

Lions 4-2
Colts 2-1
49ers 3-1
Rams 4-1
Bucs 4-1


Dak was the QB that lost the only game in Garrett's time as HC to the Rams and Colts.

Cassel was the QB that lost to the Bucs

Romo was the QB that lost to the Lions twice and the 49ers once.




In closing these things don't tell the entire picture but what it does tell that regardless if Garrett had Romo, Dak or another QB he struggled to beat some bad teams. It's been a coaching issue when you can't beat the Jets in a 10 year span or beat Broncos, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots and might as well say Arizona, Atlanta or the Bills. Dak was the QB that beat Arizona and Atlanta to keep Garrett from being 0-4 against them. Romo was the QB that beat the Bills so Garrett didn't go 0-3 against them like Garrett record against the Jets and Patriots.

If I'm not mistaken that may have been the 6 field goal game by our kicker on Monday night? and while i think Garrett is a big part of the blame it can be shared equally. I truly believe the defense has been an issue the QB has been an issue both of them and special teams.

Jerry has been an issue. This organization has been the epitome of clown show for the better part of 20 years with a few years sprinkled in when they had a shot but lady luck just wasn't shining on them

 

[Sheepherder]

Thank you Cowboy Roy for refreshing my memory as to what a great play caller Garrett was! LOL!!That game with Detroit; if that doesn’t tell the story, then I don’t know what will. Garrett should have been fired right after the last tic on the clock

 

[CowboyoWales]

Him signing a long term deal is about 90%. And even if he played again under the tag it is enough to pay him.

What FA's are you talking about not resigning? We will continue to build through the draft.

If every year we have to sign a big name FA then we are screwed anyway.

No it's not enough to pay for Dak's second Franchise Tag, we'd be over the Cap going into 2021,

Who's talking about big name Free Agents?? ...we wouldn't have the money to retain: Crawford, Aldon Smith, Awuzie, Looney, Clinton-Dix

 

[cowboygo]

Jason Garrett's record against winning teams during regular season

2010-2015 seasons: 12-30 .286 winning percentage ranked 19th
2016-2019 seasons: 13-17 .433 winning percentage ranked 9th

oh boy, what have you done?

 

[Them]

...I'd say Garrett!....now that he's gone that picture will become clearer...either way!...

 

[texbumthelife]

Bofth?

 

[CowboyRoy]

No it's not enough to pay for Dak's second Franchise Tag, we'd be over the Cap going into 2021,

Who's talking about big name Free Agents?? ...we wouldn't have the money to retain: Crawford, Aldon Smith, Awuzie, Looney, Clinton-Dix

Don't need to resign Crawford, Awuzie, Looney or Dixon. Hopefully we can fill those guys up in the draft or just not at all.

Being within the cap is a good situation. Can always do some minor restructuring if you have a few guys you HAVE to resign.

Besides, your whole argument is based off not signing Dak long term, which isn't going to happen.

Cowboys are in good shape with the cap. This year and next year.