Quickest LB Core in the NFL

[Ring6]

corps

it'll be interesting to see LVE post-surgery, since he's supposedly going to be 100%

hopefully LVE's presence in the middle plus LB oriented coaching will help Jaylon not be in hero mode, as it was recently called, and play under control.

Lee is Lee. Just when you think 60 is too old to play linebacker, he leads the team in INTs.

 

[johneric8]

Not buying the hype again this year. Was pumped about our LB corps last year and was extremely disappointed.

Listen man, we had old man marinelli butting heads with richard on how to run two different philosophies that just didn't work together. Our commander and chief was the freckled puppet throwing monkey wrenches around dismantling all consistency and our defensive line had our linebackers on their heels and out of position. Lets not forget the wolf was hurt most of the year as well... Have some faith that things will be as they should. You need to remember our defense change quite a bit from 18 to 19 in terms of how marinelli and richard were coaching them up. No one was responding to anything last year for the most part once the wheels came flying off.

Just keep in mind, the organization as a whole was like a ship without a captain. Since Garrett has been with the cowboys I don't think they ever really had any advantages schematically and when we won is was because Jerry gave him the horses to look good. I think you will be surprised at what Phat Mike accomplishes.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Richard was not coaching a scheme like he was still in the 80s. That's completely wrong, for the record. Richard was actually using very different methods. I feel like saying things like "Stuck in the 80s" etc., is kinda lazy. Lots of people who say things like this don't even know what Football was like in the 80s. Nothing is new in Football, BTW. It's all been done before. You very rarely see anything done by anybody that has not been done before, at some point. The problem with Richard in Dallas is not that he was out of touch. The problem with Marinelli was not that he was out of touch. The problem was that both of those guys were on different pages. One was running a scheme with the DL that relied on the back 7 to make it work. The Back 7 were doing their own thing, their own way and that unit was not cohesive.

That's the truth.

 

[Redball Express]

Agreed, Lee was remarkable, especially considering how much he had to compensate for.

Yes.

I was worried when Lee's deal ended at he end of 2019 he would have to go like Witten had to go.

Glad he has one last hurrah to help the team.

He just never had the chance to be as great as he should have been.

He was right there with the Lee Roy Jordan's and Chuck Howley;s when he was healthy.

 

[Aviano90]

Listen man, we had old man marinelli butting heads with richard on how to run two different philosophies that just didn't work together. Our commander and chief was the freckled puppet throwing monkey wrenches around dismantling all consistency and our defensive line had our linebackers on their heels and out of position. Lets not forget the wolf was hurt most of the year as well... Have some faith that things will be as they should. You need to remember our defense change quite a bit from 18 to 19 in terms of how marinelli and richard were coaching them up. No one was responding to anything last year for the most part once the wheels came flying off.

Just keep in mind, the organization as a whole was like a ship without a captain. Since Garrett has been with the cowboys I don't think they ever really had any advantages schematically and when we won is was because Jerry gave him the horses to look good. I think you will be surprised at what Phat Mike accomplishes.

They may be awesome this year. I'm just going to have to see it before believing it.

 

[Dre11]

Listen man, we had old man marinelli butting heads with richard on how to run two different philosophies that just didn't work together. Our commander and chief was the freckled puppet throwing monkey wrenches around dismantling all consistency and our defensive line had our linebackers on their heels and out of position. Lets not forget the wolf was hurt most of the year as well... Have some faith that things will be as they should. You need to remember our defense change quite a bit from 18 to 19 in terms of how marinelli and richard were coaching them up. No one was responding to anything last year for the most part once the wheels came flying off.

Just keep in mind, the organization as a whole was like a ship without a captain. Since Garrett has been with the cowboys I don't think they ever really had any advantages schematically and when we won is was because Jerry gave him the horses to look good. I think you will be surprised at what Phat Mike accomplishes.

So the same coaches coached in 2018, and the linebackers were being called the next great group of linebackers in the league. stop with the dumb talk.

 

[plasticman]

It's so easy to blame the old coaching staff. They are gone now, having been fired.

However, they were the same coaches when everyone was celebrating the success of our young duo in 2018. It looked like our LB squad were on the verge of being labeled elite. But then something happened, the 2019 season began. we personally witnessed the lack of focus and intensity of Jaylon Smith after he received his contract. We witnessed the lack of effectiveness in LVE before discovering the full extent of his injuries. We saw the reduction in Lee's quickness and recognition as his age became an issue.

If the majority of their perfromance was due to the coaching then this implies that they will regain their success due to the superior coaching they are to receive this season.

 

[DallasInDC]

Someone should Photoshop this with one with crutches, one in wheelchair, and one with a walker.

 

[Whyjerry]

Lb core is a huge question coming into the season. No idea what to expect

Totally agree. The top 2 guys are massively talented flakes. Great potential but also a risk to be useless.

 

[cern]

So the same coaches coached in 2018, and the linebackers were being called the next great group of linebackers in the league. stop with the dumb talk.

So please elucidate and tell us what went wrong.

 

[quickccc]

This appears to be a rah rah hype up video.
i can't say we have the quickest LB core.

Where does this LB unit rank overall in the entire NFL ?
For what it's worth, all starters have been invited to pro bowl at one point or another.

And for all their accolades, it appears this LB unit is gonna be reshaped into new roles
and a new way and scheme.

- i like the idea of LVE moving to middle LB.
He has the range, coverage skills and knack for playing the passing lanes that result in INTs
and his size and length can make it tough to throw over him.
If that neck is surely healthy again.. and stays healthy - and we surely have the horses upfront
to keep interior OL blockers off of him. His natural instincts, tacking ability and range will play big
dividends.

- Lee has lost speed and range but his instincts and knack for the game gives him ability to anticipate
developing plays - if we scheme coverages for him to drop in zone vs long range man to man, and don't overexpose his snaps and reps, he may be able to more than compensate his flaws.

- Jaylon may be the one i worry the most about. Whether he is exploding forward on a blitz or pursuing down
the line of scrimmage vs a run play. He can pack a wallop once he builds up forward moving momentum.
His collision and play strength is such that he can cause pop fumbles. upon arrival.
But if he is moved to the outside in a 4-3, whether weak or strong, he is going to have to cover
and defend against athletic pass catching TEs and RBs - and the better OC's will know how
to scheme him in the pass game.

We'll have to see how this plays out.

 

[Cebrin]

Not buying the hype again this year. Was pumped about our LB corps last year and was extremely disappointed.

I hear ya. We had very little depth at DT, and injuries made that a bigger issue. That was fortunately addressed a bit this off season. Hopefully we'll bounce back, and these LB's can hit their gaps.

 

[Ranched]

Oh my -------------------Well anyway Cowboys win Super Bowl this year

 

[cowboyed]

Quality depth and a more adaptive scheme will invigorate this defense.

 

[ondaedg]

I think the biggest problem was our DTs were too light in the *** and didn't eat up blockers to keep our LBs clean.

Or maybe our guys aren't the type of LBers who can play physical enough to make a tackle when being blocked? Personally i think our LBers are too soft and struggle to make quick reads. Hope I'm 1000% wrong though.

 

[quickccc]

Or maybe our guys aren't the type of LBers who can play physical enough to make a tackle when being blocked? Personally i think our LBers are too soft and struggle to make quick reads. Hope I'm 1000% wrong though.

based on what i saw from LVE in is rookie year, i would disagree that he struggles to make quick reads
and that Saints game where both he and even Jaylon were outstanding, further more has me encouraged about
his natural instincts.
And i really think he is gonna be awesome weapon vs the pass -especially he can affect
the passing lanes in zones.

- But if we don't have the kind of interior DTs that can draw and occupy two blockers which will allow pulling trapping OGs and centers to freely seek out the LBs and run interference on them - then they won't have the freedom and room to flow directly to the ball without interference on a consistent basis.

- i tend to believe when you have that kind of difference making big bodies inside that both clog lanes, and disrupt
the backfield, that changes how offenses have to block and scheme against you in the trenches.
It changes how they have to run against you If they cannot move you inside, they'll have abandon that route and
land force to see f they can spring plays on the edge or misdirect-fool the interior with draw-plays and quick screens.

- And by the way, speaking of quick screen plays, remember how our front seven struggled mightily
with screen plays ?
What we do among the DLs - what we do among the LBs - what changes we make among the front seven - that will impact how we much better defend the screen plays as well,.

 

[Cowboyny]

based on what i saw from LVE in is rookie year, i would disagree that he struggles to make quick reads
and that Saints game where both he and even Jaylon were outstanding, further more has me encouraged about
his natural instincts.
And i really think he is gonna be awesome weapon vs the pass -especially he can affect
the passing lanes in zones.

- But if we don't have the kind of interior DTs that can draw and occupy two blockers which will allow pulling trapping OGs and centers to freely seek out the LBs and run interference on them - then they won't have the freedom and room to flow directly to the ball without interference on a consistent basis.

- i tend to believe when you have that kind of difference making big bodies inside that both clog lanes, and disrupt
the backfield, that changes how offenses have to block and scheme against you in the trenches.
It changes how they have to run against you If they cannot move you inside, they'll have abandon that route and
land force to see f they can spring plays on the edge or misdirect-fool the interior with draw-plays and quick screens.

- And by the way, speaking of quick screen plays, remember how our front seven struggled mightily
with screen plays ?
What we do among the DLs - what we do among the LBs - what changes we make among the front seven - that will impact how we much better defend the screen plays as well,.

-When Lve was healthy in his rookie season, he was a legitimate playmaker and was an excellent open field tackler. He shows real instincts for the position. Remember that game saving play against the Eagles down in Philly, read a screen and blew it up against one of the best players in space in Darren Sproles.

 

[Dre11]

So please elucidate and tell us what went wrong.

No you tell me what went wrong, the same defense that had folks drooling over the next dynamic duo with the same coaches , one being talked about as a head coach. Vander Esh and Crawford being out hurt the defense as a whole, I dont think Tank recovered from surgery and no camp. While Quinn was good at rushing the passer, he was a liability against the run. depth was also weak with Woods being out games with knee injury.

 

[quickccc]

-When Lve was healthy in his rookie season, he was a legitimate playmaker and was an excellent open field tackler. He shows real instincts for the position. Remember that game saving play against the Eagles down in Philly, read a screen and blew it up against one of the best players in space in Darren Sproles.

Aside from his neck issues that will either become a thing of the past, or it will force him to suddenly retire, i have no concerns about LVE.
The major concern coming out of Boise State was his ability (or question of) to take on and shed blockers. His tremendous blend of size, length
speed and range and knack for coverage was a strength. But i also recall many in Cowboys nation were very skeptical of LVE and sounded off their
disappointment in cowboys drafting him in 1st round ... instead of Bama WR Calvin Ridley.

- i truly believe both hampering neck injury, (that he really tried to gut it out but just couldn't) and the total debacle and mutiny feud going on within the
coaching ranks (ala Richard vs LB coach Ben Gloom and Marinelli' ever confusing run gap schemes) had not only LVE but the entire LB unit in a
confusing, dysfunctional paining period.
That was a mess that even went beyond just the DC and assistant coaches.. ala Garrett and even upper management.

- i heard Bryan Broaddus on interview with Late Night Hype Crew (per YouTube) 'suggest " that a couple of players - ala Xaview Woods and Jaylon Smith
may have been trying to do too much and trying to "do their own thing " Which suggests some freelancing.

- That actually plays into my thinking as to who the eventual leader of the defense will be in the near future, and who will eventually be
calling the defensive signals in the near future, imo. i think that will be LVE as he moves to the Mike role, despite Swipe's desire to be
the leader of the defense.

- And i'll also add that it is very important that Jaylon shows he is a definite strength and major impact factor instead of a liability weakness
that coaches have to hide and scheme around. That could be the deciding factor if he will be one of the key cogs for the D" in the future
... or if Swipe could be eventually traded at some point down the road.

 

[Cowboyny]

Aside from his neck issues that will either become a thing of the past, or it will force him to suddenly retire, i have no concerns about LVE.
The major concern coming out of Boise State was his ability (or question of) to take on and shed blockers. His tremendous blend of size, length
speed and range and knack for coverage was a strength. But i also recall many in Cowboys nation were very skeptical of LVE and sounded off their
disappointment in cowboys drafting him in 1st round ... instead of Bama WR Calvin Ridley.

- i truly believe both hampering neck injury, (that he really tried to gut it out but just couldn't) and the total debacle and mutiny feud going on within the
coaching ranks (ala Richard vs LB coach Ben Gloom and Marinelli' ever confusing run gap schemes) had not only LVE but the entire LB unit in a
confusing, dysfunctional paining period.
That was a mess that even went beyond just the DC and assistant coaches.. ala Garrett and even upper management.

- i heard Bryan Broaddus on interview with Late Night Hype Crew (per YouTube) 'suggest " that a couple of players - ala Xaview Woods and Jaylon Smith
may have been trying to do too much and trying to "do their own thing " Which suggests some freelancing.

- That actually plays into my thinking as to who the eventual leader of the defense will be in the near future, and who will eventually be
calling the defensive signals in the near future, imo. i think that will be LVE as he moves to the Mike role, despite Swipe's desire to be
the leader of the defense.

- And i'll also add that it is very important that Jaylon shows he is a definite strength and major impact factor instead of a liability weakness
that coaches have to hide and scheme around. That could be the deciding factor if he will be one of the key cogs for the D" in the future
... or if Swipe could be eventually traded at some point down the road.

-I believe many wanted R. Evans from Alabama. Many viewed Lve as more of a day 2 prospect cause that's where the media scouts were projecting him until after the combine. He did have some medical concerns, but never received a failing grade. As it turned out, I heard several teams after the Cowboys had him high up on their draft boards.

-Yes, coming into the league many thought he needed to add more strength to his frame and become better taking on blocks. We heard the comparisons of Bobby Carpenter over and over again cause so many just didn't want the team to draft him. The team at this time almost had no choice but to address the need cause of Lee's lack of durability.

-What we did show us in his rookie season that he was a bigger version of a young Sean Lee. He had tremendous instincts, in which he flowed to the play before a blocker could even get a hat on him, was an excellent tackler and truly a play maker in coverage. Let's hope that he doesn't have Lee's lack of durability, cause he has legitimate all-pro upside. I heard a story where Mike Nolan while with the Saints, was the one heavily involved in wanting to draft Lve.

-We know now how much disfunction was within the coaching last season. Not only Bloom/Richard, but Marinelli not being on the same page with the back 7. The scheme was a total mess, we almost have to give the holdover players a clean slate. I believe the new defensive coaches, will not have a problem calling plays that are in sync with the front, believe they will put players in better positions to succeed, especially Jaylon Smith. Nolan got raved reviews from his linebackers in New Orleans who are no where near as talented as Jaylon Smith, let's see if he can do with him.