News: Dak Prescott contract: Troy Aikman gives warning to Cowboys

[Future]

Glim- Serious question- when was the last time Jerry got “the better end of the deal” with a star player? He wants everyone to see him as a guy who plays “hardball”, but I can’t remember a time in recent years where Jerry hung tough and won. Maybe there’s one I’m forgetting?

La'El Collins, Cooper took less money with Dallas than Washington. That's two in one offseason.

The idea of "getting the better end of the deal" with a star player virtually never happens.

 

[Bobhaze]

Jerry sometimes picks a fight with some of the highest impact players. Emmitt Smith was a no win situation, and he could have probably got more. At that time did anyone think Emmitt would be playing on a different team in 1993?

Owners rarely get the better of the deal with star players. They either get the crap end of the stick or the player plays for another team. Do owners truly win when the players walk?

The owners seem to be doing just fine financially.

 

[Flamma]

The owners seem to be doing just fine financially.

If it wasn't for the salary cap I would always take the players side no matter what. I'm not paying them, and no dead cap? Pay the man, I don't care.

 

[Diehardblues]

Caves a week before the deadline. Maybe the 4th of July splash. DAK IS NOW THE HIGHEST PAID QB IN THE NFL... A while later mahomes gets his contract. Lol.

It’s all about public perception with Jerry.

I think Jerry would be more than willing to make Dak the highest paid and then sell it accordingly. But at the moment he’s getting major pushback. And why he’s playing hardball.

Ultimately much like Elliott last year , Jerrys not willing to go into the season without Dak. Assuming of course the NFL has a season. This could possibly be pushed back until 2021.

But public perception will support over paying Dak versus him not playing. Dak will be the villain.

 

[xwalker]

https://247sports.com/Article/Dak-P...xtension-Troy-Aikman-gives-warning-148180461/

It seems that the Covid lockout is causing you to convert from regular poster to wanna-be troll.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

The owners seem to be doing just fine financially.

And so do MOST of the players. Even the one millioners .....if they live within their means like the rest of us have to do...is a LOT of money!

 

[Bobhaze]

To me it seems like the team has negotiated with him in good faith. It doesn't seem like they're jerking him around. What do you guys think?

I'll be glad when this is finally over.

I don’t think any of us know what has happened in the negotiations. The Jones boys love to talk to the press during negotiations to try getting some leverage or win public opinion. I don’t think that helps anyone. I wish both Jerry and Dak’s agent wouLd keep their mouth shut. What you read in the press about this stuff is at best full of half truths and innuendo.

 

[Redball Express]

Glim- Serious question- when was the last time Jerry got “the better end of the deal” with a star player? He wants everyone to see him as a guy who plays “hardball”, but I can’t remember a time in recent years where Jerry hung tough and won. Maybe there’s one I’m forgetting?

Reading your post here..

So how do you decide if somebody won or lost a negotiation anyway?

By definition and by outcome..negotiations find the middle ground both parties agree to.

So I suppose if the player signs, gets his money, the team retains the player and the owner Jerrah succeeds?

Or does he fail because the owner paid more than originally offered?

Everybody knows the parties have a range of terms and money to be on the table. Neither side wants to reveal what that is.

So winning or losing is fuzzy at best.

Sometimes, the parties do not really want to agree on any deal. They just go thru the motions knowing it will never happen.

This is called diplomacy.

Both sides want to appear involved yet are not.

The fans get confused and things polarize.

Sound familiar?

Oh Dak..

just exactly what are you doing anyway?

 

[shabazz]

Cowboys will have buyers remorse for years to come, if they cave.

 

[Bobhaze]

Reading your post here..

So how do you decide if somebody won or lost a negotiation anyway?

By definition and by outcome..negotiations find the middle ground both parties agree to.

So I suppose if the player signs, gets his money, the team retains the player and the owner Jerrah succeeds?

Or does he fail because the owner paid more than originally offered?

Everybody knows the parties have a range of terms and money to be on the table. Neither side wants to reveal what that is.

So winning or losing is fuzzy at best.

Sometimes, the parties do not really want to agree on any deal. They just go thru the motions know it will never happen.

This is called diplomacy.

Both sides want to appear involved yet are not.

The fans get confused and things polarize.

Sound familiar?

I think one of the problems with big egos and negotiations is too often they have bad habit of trying to create “winners” and “losers”. The best contracts are “win-win”. Both sides get some of what they negotiated for and avoid speaking ill of the other side. Common ground is where good negotiations take place. Playing “hardball” when people are involved is often hurtful to one or both sides.

Anytime I see someone saying they “won” a negotiation, they have already lost some of what they could have had which is both sides feeling good.

 

[Hardline]

It seems that the Covid lockout is causing you to convert from regular poster to wanna-be troll.

Will someone explain to this guy what a troll is?

 

[DandyDon52]

https://247sports.com/Article/Dak-P...xtension-Troy-Aikman-gives-warning-148180461/

so what was the warning lol.

 

[Redball Express]

Jerry sometimes picks a fight with some of the highest impact players. Emmitt Smith was a no win situation, and he could have probably got more. At that time did anyone think Emmitt would be playing on a different team in 1993?

Owners rarely get the better of the deal with star players. They either get the crap end of the stick or the player plays for another team. Do owners truly win when the players walk?

When players walk do they win.?

Yes.

Look no further than Byron Jones.

Dallas never intended to resign him.

Saved the money and let him walk.

 

[Flamma]

When players walk do they win.?

Yes.

Look no further than Byron Jones.

Dallas never intended to resign him.

Saved the money and let him walk.

In most cases yes. As long as the player didn't care what team he played for, then of course he won. But did RB Bell win? Did the Steelers win? I think they both lost in that exchange.

 

[Redball Express]

I think one of the problems with big egos and negotiations is too often they have bad habit of trying to create “winners” and “losers”. The best contracts are “win-win”. Both sides get some of what they negotiated for and avoid speaking ill of the other side. Common ground is where good negotiations take place. Playing “hardball” when people are involved is often hurtful to one or both sides.

Anytime I see someone saying they “won” a negotiation, they have already lost some of what they could have had which is both sides feeling good.

It's always about perception and timing.

Losing Witten now is perceived as not much lost.

6 years ago..unthinkable.

Dez cut after 2015?

Easy.

After 2014..would sound crazy.

 

[ESisback]

Honestly, I side with the player about 99% of the time in their quest to get paid. Because the owners, Jerry even more so, make exponentially more money than players over time.

A typical player’s career last less than a decade whereas these owners have generational wealth that grows at higher % than the players, without whom there is no NFL. And I also reject the idea that says the owners are “the risk takers” more than the players. Owning an NFL team is one of the safest financial investments in the world. And players are risking their future physical and mental health every time they step foot on a field.

Contract conflicts are not “battles between millionaires.” It’s battles between powerful billionaires (Owners) and temporary millionaires (players).

I can’t side with players as much as I used to do. We ALL have bosses/owners that make far more than us, who don’t care about us, and Joe Shmoe makes FAR less at a job that in most cases he hates. So it’s hard to drum up sympathy for them. Players feeling dissed being filthy rich for playing ball is comical to me. He asked for 35! He has a family!

 

[Redball Express]

In most cases yes. As long as the player didn't care what team he played for, then of course he won. But did RB Bell win? Did the Steelers win? I think they both lost in that exchange.

For sure.

And the. fans lost the most.

I would just hate it if I was a Steeler fan the last 2 years..

plus Big Been goes down?

Yikes.

 

[cffl2323]

The article says that "Recent rumblings Prescott could enter a holdout could happen, per ESPN NFL insider Ed Werder", but what would he hold out for after July 15th? From my understanding after July 15th we can no longer negotiate with him, so he either has to play on the tag or just sit out the year. Is that correct?

 

[Redball Express]

I can’t side with players as much as I used to do. We ALL have bosses/owners that make far more than us, who don’t care about us, and Joe Shmoe makes FAR less at a job that in most cases he hates. So it’s hard to drum up sympathy for them. Players feeling dissed being filthy rich for playing ball is comical to me. He asked for 35! He has a family!

Over time I too side less with the players.

The owners have enormous responsibilities as owners to deliver pro football to it's fans.

How hard it is just look at all the failed other leagues that have gone bankrupt.

The XFL the most recent.

While I agree the players are deserving of the contracts offered to them...

the owners are constantly having to reinvest with newer state of the art stadiums, training facilties and underwriting costs like coaching staffs, etc.

So when I hear fans complaining..it's just so much hot air to me. How these guys even sleep each night is a wonder to me.

 

[bandfan]

Whatever happens it will happen under the rules AGREED to by BOTH the owners and the players union. Absolutely no can say they are getting the shaft.