To build or rebuild?

[Ranching]

Just gonna shoot from the hip a bit. I think Tyron is done, Conner is regressing, Baidazz may or may not be the answer, Martin is a stud and Collins is also, if he's healthy. We have several glaring holes on defense. Probably need to add about 4 or 5 staters.
The question that I ask myself, if we lose out and end up with the top pick in the draft, do we really take Lawrence and move on from Dak?
The cap savings between the two can help is sign so good talent. Crawford's and Tyrons money will also help.
I really like Dak and do not want to let him go, but I have to admit it will be tempting. Especially, if Jerry feels that Dak dissed him by not signing.

Build with Dak?
Rebuild as described?

What say you?

 

[dckid]

Just gonna shoot from the hip a bit. I think Tyron is done, Conner is regressing, Baidazz may or may not be the answer, Martin is a stud and Collins is also, if he's healthy. We have several glaring holes on defense. Probably need to add about 4 or 5 staters.
The question that I ask myself, if we lose out and end up with the top pick in the draft, do we really take Lawrence and move on from Dak?
The cap savings between the two can help is sign so good talent. Crawford's and Tyrons money will also help.
I really like Dak and do not want to let him go, but I have to admit it will be tempting. Especially, if Jerry feels that Dak dissed him by not signing.

Build with Dak?
Rebuild as described?

What say you?

No brainer. We have to pass on Dak. Paying 40 million a year for a good QB is foolish and frankly idiotic. Dak is not Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Wilson. period full stop.
Dak is ~ to Goff, Wentz, Cousins maybe slightly better. I would still take Watson, Murray, Burrow, Herbert over Dak.

Get a potential franchise QB, get back the 33 million in cap space and get some hungry guys out here.
Close the thread...

 

[RamziD]

Just gonna shoot from the hip a bit. I think Tyron is done, Conner is regressing, Baidazz may or may not be the answer, Martin is a stud and Collins is also, if he's healthy. We have several glaring holes on defense. Probably need to add about 4 or 5 staters.
The question that I ask myself, if we lose out and end up with the top pick in the draft, do we really take Lawrence and move on from Dak?
The cap savings between the two can help is sign so good talent. Crawford's and Tyrons money will also help.
I really like Dak and do not want to let him go, but I have to admit it will be tempting. Especially, if Jerry feels that Dak dissed him by not signing.

Build with Dak?
Rebuild as described?

What say you?

The only way I rebuild without Dak is if we’re picking #1 or #2 so are assured of getting Lawrence or Fields. Interesting that you think CW is regressing. I think he’s been doing fine.

Edit: My optimal scenario would be getting Lawrence or Fields, cutting Jaylon, and signing Lavonte David and Justin Simmons in FA. Then get DT and OT in 2nd and 3rd.

 

[GenoT]

Just gonna shoot from the hip a bit. I think Tyron is done, Conner is regressing, Baidazz may or may not be the answer, Martin is a stud and Collins is also, if he's healthy. We have several glaring holes on defense. Probably need to add about 4 or 5 staters.
The question that I ask myself, if we lose out and end up with the top pick in the draft, do we really take Lawrence and move on from Dak?
The cap savings between the two can help is sign so good talent. Crawford's and Tyrons money will also help.
I really like Dak and do not want to let him go, but I have to admit it will be tempting. Especially, if Jerry feels that Dak dissed him by not signing.

Build with Dak?
Rebuild as described?

What say you?

Without a new architect, build or rebuild won’t matter.

We’ve been where we’ve been the last 25yrs for a reason. That reason is a now-78yo mediocrity of a GM who cannot be fired.

Take each game as it comes, for better or worse; just don’t expect a championship.

 

[Tangle_Foot]

This is such a mess I think I'm just going to rent

 

[CATCH17]

We were a watermelon kick away from being 0-4 with Dak.

It's time to rebuild.

The only thing we are close to is 7-9 / 9-7 brand of football with Dak and his 40 million dollar contract.

 

[noshame]

If yhe FRANCHISE qb we need is not there we trade out of the first for next years 1st and 2nd.
Then tag and trade Dak.
We should arrive at the following draft with 3 #1s and a couple seconds. We can get the best QB in the draft. This year take best OLand DL out there

 

[MikeB80]

Two years behind a real tear down and rebuild.

it’s not happening now so it doesn’t really matter. We have a pretty lousy head coach and a terrible front office.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

We were a watermelon kick away from being 0-4 with Dak.

It's time to rebuild.

The only thing we are close to is 7-9 / 9-7 brand of football with Dak and his 40 million dollar contract.

Pay Dak that money and I can assure you that you won't be 7-9 more like 5-11. You cannot allot that much of your annual salary to one player in a team sport where a single players contribution is diluted by the actions of all the other players. If this were basketball where one guy can impact a game then I get it. But not football and not on Dak. $33 million is about the extent and even that is overpaying.

 

[MikeB80]

Also just to add this organization should be moving a bunch of players before this weeks deadline. They need all the picks they can get.

 

[Sydla]

It's not a total rebuild from scratch situation IMO. This isn't the Browns where you basically tear it all down. They have some young, core, nice players they can incorporate. But they have to change the cultural and have to figure out a way to infuse some talent into the defense in an offseason where they won't have a lot of cap space.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I just don’t know how you add enough talent with giving dak the tag. Can you fully resign him long term right now and get creative with the cap? If so I’m on board with taking one more shot at a run with this group. You’ll get a blue chip prospect in the draft, and some serious talent coming back from the IR.

if you can’t make the cap work with dak it may be best to blow it up. Rebuilds don’t have to be 4+ years in the nfl these days, IF you can hit on a young qb. The cowboys won’t have another top 5 pick like this for a long time if they keep day.


I’m playing both sides of the fence here because I really don’t know what the true cap flexibility is. I just fear getting stuck in the constant .500 cycle again.

 

[jazzcat22]

Put me in for the Trevor / Justin Sweepstakes.
I kile Dak. But still wanted to see more. And he was showing signs of more improvement. However, if you have a chance to get a Mahomes / Rodgers / Brees / Brady type QB. You do it.

The team needs a lot of help in just about every area except WR. Maybe TE could wait also. RB, as Zeke will be here, and he is not losing good this year. But is that because everything else is so bad also.

Anyway. They know what they have in Dak, but they may not know how he will be until after the draft, injury wise. Then there is the $40 million cap hit, with some unknowns about him.
You can't even tag and trade him. You can tag him, then hope he gets and offer and takes it. Non of this exclusive tag crap. Or just bite the bullet. He will bring a 3rd round comp pick. And work a deal to get one of the QB's. Even Trask from Florida may be an option.

If the OL is healthy, Zeke gets back to form, and with the TE's and WR's, anyone of those 3 QB's would succeed here, at a far less of a cap hit, and possibly a better future.

 

[CyberB0b]

A capable GM could turn this thing around in a couple of years. We don't have that, so the best course of action is to go into full rebuild mode. Have to quit paying these mediocre guys all star contracts. I would try to shed Dlaw, Smith, and Zeke's contracts as soon as possible. The cap is going to shrink a ton over the next few years. It is clear Dak is worth the money, but don't think we can pay him.

The sad thing is that our drafting has been pretty bad for the last couple of years. Too many gambles on projects and too many whiffs in the top 100. There's really nothing to look forward to in this franchise over the next few years. We have too many bad contracts and bad draft picks. Pretty sad.

 

[Flamma]

Just gonna shoot from the hip a bit. I think Tyron is done, Conner is regressing, Baidazz may or may not be the answer, Martin is a stud and Collins is also, if he's healthy. We have several glaring holes on defense. Probably need to add about 4 or 5 staters.
The question that I ask myself, if we lose out and end up with the top pick in the draft, do we really take Lawrence and move on from Dak?
The cap savings between the two can help is sign so good talent. Crawford's and Tyrons money will also help.
I really like Dak and do not want to let him go, but I have to admit it will be tempting. Especially, if Jerry feels that Dak dissed him by not signing.

Build with Dak?
Rebuild as described?

What say you?

The alternative to this would be to trade the first overall pick for a king's Ransome, pay Dak, and rebuild with the picks. Hell, Dallas could be picking twice in the first round for the next 3 years.

That said, I agree with post #2.

 

[Redline360]

We are not a "quarterback" or "one or two pieces" away from being contenders. We need a complete rebuild from top(damn Jones still run the business) to bottom.

It is pointless to dump money into Dak. Hate to see him go but it would be in the best interest of both parties to split ways. If Dak was a smart man he would take the first legitimate offer from an actual football organization and run without looking back.

 

[baltcowboy]

Just gonna shoot from the hip a bit. I think Tyron is done, Conner is regressing, Baidazz may or may not be the answer, Martin is a stud and Collins is also, if he's healthy. We have several glaring holes on defense. Probably need to add about 4 or 5 staters.
The question that I ask myself, if we lose out and end up with the top pick in the draft, do we really take Lawrence and move on from Dak?
The cap savings between the two can help is sign so good talent. Crawford's and Tyrons money will also help.
I really like Dak and do not want to let him go, but I have to admit it will be tempting. Especially, if Jerry feels that Dak dissed him by not signing.

Build with Dak?
Rebuild as described?

What say you?

If we can get Dak to sign a fair deal that will give us cap space, I would keep him. I would rebuild with Dak.

 

[CouchCoach]

Here is the problem I have with ideas to make cap space with either not renewing Prescott or cutting some players like Crawford or Smith, what do you think they'll do with the money?
When have they shown the propensity to make room for a FA D player early on? Don't they like their own more than any other team and pay them accordingly?

One thing the other teams that pay their QB's at the top of the scale do is build around them. Prescott isn't the problem, management is. Have they not been here before and too many times?

What the Cowboys need is a QB to overcome management's incompetency at building a complimentary team and I do not think that is Dak Prescott. Too much of what we're discussing now is the team without him but what about the team with him? Think he is good enough to overcome them like Romo tried to do?

I've seen this team with Prescott and am ready to see them without him. And I have waffled on this when I consider that he did give them a chance but not enough of one. If they can get Lawrence or Fields, pull the trigger to see if they can make the most out of an affordable QB.

As far as this D is concerned, much is needed and that isn't going to happen in one off season. Some fans here are wishful thinking with how close they are and are in the back seat asking "are we there yet"? No, we are not, not even halfway there.

I admire the thinking that where we are doesn't mean we have to stay there but every time I start to think that way, I think about who's in charge and just how we got here.

 

[Xavier187]

Dak is your QB.
Sorry it would leave a very bad taste in players mouths if you trade him.
On the other hand if you get Lawerance you have to think about it.
Js.

 

[baltcowboy]

The only way I rebuild without Dak is if we’re picking #1 or #2 so are assured of getting Lawrence or Fields. Interesting that you think CW is regressing. I think he’s been doing fine.

Edit: My optimal scenario would be getting Lawrence or Fields, cutting Jaylon, and signing Lavonte David and Justin Simmons in FA. Then get DT and OT in 2nd and 3rd.

Good ideas, I did not know David was a free agent.