Stockpiling picks in this year's draft

[DasSchnitzel]

Was curious how many picks you guys would want to stockpile and how you'd go about doing so.

Currently we're looking at:

• Pick 4
• 2 picks in top 40
• 4 picks in top 99 (3rd round comp)
• 6 picks in top 135 (4th round comp)

The trade down. Dallas' pick may be growing in value. LAC won't draft a QB, I doubt we will, but PHI very well could. That makes us and LAC prime spots to move to for teams looking to snipe a QB from PHI. Idk what all we get for the trade overall but let's say that it gives us a 1st and 2nd or 3rd this year.

I like Michael Gallup as a trade candidate. We don't need him after what Cooper and Lamb did with and without Dak, plus Wilson looked good at times. Looking at the WR trade market set by Cooper, Cooks, Hopkins, etc I think you could find someone willing to take his tiny contract year for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

@jterrell proposed in another thread that we move Martin to tackle and get the Connors activated long term at guard after the way they've played this year. I like it, and I'd then go one further and look to trade Tyron. I just don't trust him to stay healthy and I'm ready to move on if he doesn't retire altogether. Maybe I could get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him? I have no idea what the market is for a beat up LT who's great when he's healthy.

That all amounts to something around a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th combined.

Personally I'm ok with not trading down and just taking Sewell or Parsons because it would be nice to have that headliner at the top of the draft class. We can generate a lot of capital elsewhere and we'll appreciate the blue chip player.

Any comments or other ideas?

 

[Cowboyny]

Was curious how many picks you guys would want to stockpile and how you'd go about doing so.

Currently we're looking at:

• Pick 4
• 2 picks in top 40
• 4 picks in top 99 (3rd round comp)
• 6 picks in top 135 (4th round comp)

The trade down. Dallas' pick may be growing in value. LAC won't draft a QB, I doubt we will, but PHI very well could. That makes us and LAC prime spots to move to for teams looking to snipe a QB from PHI. Idk what all we get for the trade overall but let's say that it gives us a 1st and 2nd or 3rd this year.

I like Michael Gallup as a trade candidate. We don't need him after what Cooper and Lamb did with and without Dak, plus Wilson looked good at times. Looking at the WR trade market set by Cooper, Cooks, Hopkins, etc I think you could find someone willing to take his tiny contract year for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

@jterrell proposed in another thread that we move Martin to tackle and get the Connors activated long term at guard after the way they've played this year. I like it, and I'd then go one further and look to trade Tyron. I just don't trust him to stay healthy and I'm ready to move on if he doesn't retire altogether. Maybe I could get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him? I have no idea what the market is for a beat up LT who's great when he's healthy.

That all amounts to something around a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th combined.

Personally I'm ok with not trading down and just taking Sewell or Parsons because it would be nice to have that headliner at the top of the draft class. We can generate a lot of capital elsewhere and we'll appreciate the blue chip player.

Any comments or other ideas?

I'm not touching our current roster, we have a ton of picks already with the expected comp selections, which are tradeable. Perfect world, we land in a QB needed spot and obtain two additional top 100 picks. Keep in mind, we already have a deep roster, it's going to be difficult to roster 10 plus picks.

 

[fansince68]

Was curious how many picks you guys would want to stockpile and how you'd go about doing so.

Currently we're looking at:

• Pick 4
• 2 picks in top 40
• 4 picks in top 99 (3rd round comp)
• 6 picks in top 135 (4th round comp)

The trade down. Dallas' pick may be growing in value. LAC won't draft a QB, I doubt we will, but PHI very well could. That makes us and LAC prime spots to move to for teams looking to snipe a QB from PHI. Idk what all we get for the trade overall but let's say that it gives us a 1st and 2nd or 3rd this year.

I like Michael Gallup as a trade candidate. We don't need him after what Cooper and Lamb did with and without Dak, plus Wilson looked good at times. Looking at the WR trade market set by Cooper, Cooks, Hopkins, etc I think you could find someone willing to take his tiny contract year for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

@jterrell proposed in another thread that we move Martin to tackle and get the Connors activated long term at guard after the way they've played this year. I like it, and I'd then go one further and look to trade Tyron. I just don't trust him to stay healthy and I'm ready to move on if he doesn't retire altogether. Maybe I could get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him? I have no idea what the market is for a beat up LT who's great when he's healthy.

That all amounts to something around a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th combined.

Personally I'm ok with not trading down and just taking Sewell or Parsons because it would be nice to have that headliner at the top of the draft class. We can generate a lot of capital elsewhere and we'll appreciate the blue chip player.

Any comments or other ideas?[/QUOTE

I agree 100%. But I can promise there will be detractors that will begin their comments with "when healthy" Tyron is bla bla bla. I think we waited too late to get fair value for Tyron. He has 10X more value to us than he has for other teams. But then again, that is the Cowboy way. I proposed that we trade Gallup before this year's trade deadline and utilize our one position of depth. Maybe trade Gallup and a 4th for the Ravens 1st round pick provided the top WR get snatched up. This draft has some uncertainty, I would consider shifting some of our treasure trove of picks to the 2022 draft when things should be more stable. We actually need at least one more year drafting in the top 10 to even begin to turn this around. Im told that Parsons has play diagnosis problems and we don't need 3 linebackers with the same weakness. Now if we can trade Jaylon, I'm all in on Parsons after a trade down.

 

[Carson]

I'm not touching our current roster, we have a ton of picks already with the expected comp selections, which are tradeable. Perfect world, we land in a QB needed spot and obtain two additional top 100 picks. Keep in mind, we already have a deep roster, it's going to be difficult to roster 10 plus picks.

This guy gets it.

I love the posters expecting an entire overhaul of the roster. You’re probably looking at 6-8 new players and a handful of new starters at S, CB, LB

 

[DasSchnitzel]

I'm not touching our current roster, we have a ton of picks already with the expected comp selections, which are tradeable. Perfect world, we land in a QB needed spot and obtain two additional top 100 picks. Keep in mind, we already have a deep roster, it's going to be difficult to roster 10 plus picks.

Ok maybe I'm going overboard but I do still contend we should look into moving Gallup.

I don't want to extend him in a year when I've got Cooper and Lamb. I would rather have rights to a new 3rd round pick for 4 years than Gallup for 1 more year.

I think Gallup has high trade value because everyone likes what they see of Gallup and understands why they don't see more this year. Meanwhile, he's a luxury here, and only for one more year. Next year we're looking at a cap hit of about 25M for Cooper and Lamb alone, I don't want to pay Gallup.

We should get what we can from him before the draft.

 

[Cowboyny]

Ok maybe I'm going overboard but I do still contend we should look into moving Gallup.

I don't want to extend him in a year when I've got Cooper and Lamb. I would rather have rights to a new 3rd round pick for 4 years than Gallup for 1 more year.

I think Gallup has high trade value because everyone likes what they see of Gallup and understands why they don't see more this year. Meanwhile, he's a luxury here, and only for one more year. Next year we're looking at a cap hit of about 25M for Cooper and Lamb alone, I don't want to pay Gallup.

We should get what we can from him before the draft.

3rd rd pick is no lock to be as good as Michael Gallup, you also got to factor in Cooper who has an out in his contract after next season, believe they would gain 16 million in space if released.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

3rd rd pick is no lock to be as good as Michael Gallup, you also got to factor in Cooper who has an out in his contract after next season, believe they would gain 16 million in space if released.

I know it's not a lock, I don't care. I like my odds enough.

I'd rather get a shot at a 4 year deal on a top 100 prospect at a position of need than have Gallup one more year.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this point.

 

[Xavier187]

You hope the Cowboys lose atleast 2 of the last games.
Chargers should win in Atlanta
If this happens then your in good shape. Plus 49ers need to win.
Texans need to win atleast two games of there last three.
If any of this happens along with atleast one win by Giants, Lions and Pats we still have a chance at a top 5 pick

 

[Future]

Ok maybe I'm going overboard but I do still contend we should look into moving Gallup.

I don't want to extend him in a year when I've got Cooper and Lamb. I would rather have rights to a new 3rd round pick for 4 years than Gallup for 1 more year.

I think Gallup has high trade value because everyone likes what they see of Gallup and understands why they don't see more this year. Meanwhile, he's a luxury here, and only for one more year. Next year we're looking at a cap hit of about 25M for Cooper and Lamb alone, I don't want to pay Gallup.

We should get what we can from him before the draft.

A third WR is not a luxury. What is with this narrative on this board?

This is a starting player at a premium position.

I don't care if we trade a WR with a plan to replace them, but trading a WR to go get a corner or something who is going to make way, way less of a difference on game day is a really bad move.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

A third WR is not a luxury. What is with this narrative on this board?

This is a starting player at a premium position.

I don't care if we trade a WR with a plan to replace them, but trading a WR to go get a corner or something who is going to make way, way less of a difference on game day is a really bad move.

Amari and Lamb are both WR1.

Gallup's main asset is as a big play guy but Cooper and Lamb can do that for you.

I believe Wilson's biggest weakness is lack of opportunity, and I like him more underneath than Gallup.

I understand if people disagree with but with a 38M QB I believe Cooper, Lamb, Wilson, Brown, Schultz, and Jarwin better be sufficient downfield options. Meanwhile we have one of the worst 10 defenses in NFL history.

Let's just agree to disagree because I don't think you'll convince me that somehow we need Gallup enough to warrant an extension and I'd rather have 4 years of a rookie defender than 1 more year of Gallup and that's that

 

[Future]

I'd rather have 4 years of a rookie defender than 1 more year of Gallup and that's that

This line of thinking makes you the Giants.

They traded Beckham for Peppers, Lawrence and Ximines. Their offense is terrible because it has no weapons and their defense is mediocre. They have absolutely no light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

This line of thinking makes you the Giants.

They traded Beckham for Peppers, Lawrence and Ximines. Their offense is terrible because it has no weapons and their defense is mediocre. They have absolutely no light at the end of the tunnel.

What? This is nothing like NY, those situations are totally different. Beckham is a legit #1, Gallup is a WR3 that mostly catches deep balls.

Also you can't blame them for Barkley tearing his knee this year and thus losing their best player.

They've got a borderline top 10 defense too.

Basically give them a QB worthy of starting and a healthy Barkley and they would have ran away with this awful division.

Beyond that even if this were at all similar to the Giants then maybe it would help us to be more like them because they have mountains more success in the last 25 years than we do.

 

[Future]

What? This is nothing like NY, those situations are totally different. Beckham is a legit #1, Gallup is a WR3 that mostly catches deep balls.

Also you can't blame them for Barkley tearing his knee this year and thus losing their best player.

They've got a borderline top 10 defense too.

Basically give them a QB worthy of starting and a healthy Barkley and they would have ran away with this awful division.

Beyond that even if this were at all similar to the Giants then maybe it would help us to be more like them because they have mountains more success in the last 25 years than we do.

You're missing the point. If you trade Gallup for a comparable return of defensive players, you aren't going to make your defense better, but you're definitely making your offense worse

 

[DasSchnitzel]

You're missing the point. If you trade Gallup for a comparable return of defensive players, you aren't going to make your defense better, but you're definitely making your offense worse

I don't believe that's true, long term. You can find a guy in the 3rd round to help somewhere on defense before the year is over.

I definitely understand that the offense would lose a piece and so get a bit worse but I dont think it would matter as much as what a 3rd round rookie would mean to the defense by week 12 of next year, and then 3 more years after that, for dirt cheap. Meanwhile Gallup is gonna go get millions per year next offseason.

We can't afford to have CeeDee on a 1st round pick contract, Cooper on a ginormous contract, and then extend Gallup next year to several million a year as well. We're so heavily invested in WR, not to mention Dak and Zeke and the OL. Why does my 38M dollar QB need another >30M in 3 WRs?

So if I'm letting Gallup walk next year, and I better, then there's no way I'd rather have him for one more year when I could go get a 4 year dirt cheap contract with a new mid 3rd rounder. I know you see Gallup as valuable but I can't take him over a day 2 pick.

The guy had 66 receptions last year which is good WR2 territory and we expected him to take a step forward. But then Lamb arrived and now Gallup is giving us all of 3.5 receptions per game and 50 ypg. Furthermore, Lamb and Cooper rose to the occasion when we lost our QBs, but Gallop did not. He was elevated by Dak last year and now he's just redundant.

Did you know that before Dak went down, Wilson was trailing Gallup just 17 receptions to 12, despite playing only 7 snaps in weeks 1 and 2 combined? Meanwhile Cooper and Lamb had 39 and 29.

So Gallup began the season as WR3 and then we see a down tick in targets and production as Dak starts using Wilson instead. By the end of 2020, Wilson and Gallup may have been a WR 3A, 3B thing. We don't need all 4 of these guys and Gallup is the only one looking to get paid in a year.

Our 38M dollar man is just gonna have to find a way to utilize his top 3 WRs (2 1st round picks), his top 2 RBs (1 1st round pick), his two decent TEs, and a few others to replace Gallup's 50 yards, 4 touches, and his TD every 4 games (that's on his career, he had 2 TDs his rookie year abd has 2 do far this year but got 6 last year).

Meanwhile I'm going to go build that QB a defense he can actually use that isn't on pace to be one of the worst in history.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

You're missing the point. If you trade Gallup for a comparable return of defensive players, you aren't going to make your defense better, but you're definitely making your offense worse

What if we compromised and used the 3rd round pick on a pass catcher.

You get the extra body on offense and I get an affordable contract for 4 years locked up.

 

[conner01]

Was curious how many picks you guys would want to stockpile and how you'd go about doing so.

Currently we're looking at:

• Pick 4
• 2 picks in top 40
• 4 picks in top 99 (3rd round comp)
• 6 picks in top 135 (4th round comp)

The trade down. Dallas' pick may be growing in value. LAC won't draft a QB, I doubt we will, but PHI very well could. That makes us and LAC prime spots to move to for teams looking to snipe a QB from PHI. Idk what all we get for the trade overall but let's say that it gives us a 1st and 2nd or 3rd this year.

I like Michael Gallup as a trade candidate. We don't need him after what Cooper and Lamb did with and without Dak, plus Wilson looked good at times. Looking at the WR trade market set by Cooper, Cooks, Hopkins, etc I think you could find someone willing to take his tiny contract year for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

@jterrell proposed in another thread that we move Martin to tackle and get the Connors activated long term at guard after the way they've played this year. I like it, and I'd then go one further and look to trade Tyron. I just don't trust him to stay healthy and I'm ready to move on if he doesn't retire altogether. Maybe I could get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him? I have no idea what the market is for a beat up LT who's great when he's healthy.

That all amounts to something around a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th combined.

Personally I'm ok with not trading down and just taking Sewell or Parsons because it would be nice to have that headliner at the top of the draft class. We can generate a lot of capital elsewhere and we'll appreciate the blue chip player.

Any comments or other ideas?

We don’t need more picks, we need better players
A small trade down is fine but we need day one starters

 

[DasSchnitzel]

We don’t need more picks, we need better players
A small trade down is fine but we need day one starters

I can use more talent now at offensive tackle and every position on defense. Depth matters and could use upgrades too.

 

[baltcowboy]

I'm not touching our current roster, we have a ton of picks already with the expected comp selections, which are tradeable. Perfect world, we land in a QB needed spot and obtain two additional top 100 picks. Keep in mind, we already have a deep roster, it's going to be difficult to roster 10 plus picks.

I think lots of fans get caught up with Jeff Cavanaugh and his Captain Trade Down Mantra. You hit on the spot with we already have enough draft picks. I would not fight a small trade down to get an extra 2nd though. Cavanaugh wants to trade down to the late teens so we can get a bunch of second and thirds. Yuck!!!!

 

[Cowboyny]

I think lots of fans get caught up with Jeff Cavanaugh and his Captain Trade Down Mantra. You hit on the spot with we already have enough draft picks. I would not fight a small trade down to get an extra 2nd though. Cavanaugh wants to trade down to the late teens so we can get a bunch of second and thirds. Yuck!!!!

With some good fortune last Sunday, we are now in the driver's seat on the #4 overall pick if we lose out. Not guaranteed to lose out, but it's a strong possibility. That gives us a major trade chip for a QB needy team as Cincy has a history of never dealing. I would like to move back just a few spots, obtain an additional 2 and still have a chance to land an impact player. If we move back to say 8, we may have a chance at one of the corners, maybe even Parsons.

 

[baltcowboy]

With some good fortune last Sunday, we are now in the driver's seat on the #4 overall pick if we lose out. Not guaranteed to lose out, but it's a strong possibility. That gives us a major trade chip for a QB needy team as Cincy has a history of never dealing. I would like to move back just a few spots, obtain an additional 2 and still have a chance to land an impact player. If we move back to say 8, we may have a chance at one of the corners, maybe even Parsons.

I agree with you this time but I am hearing the internet draftnicks are pushing for trading with the Patriots and Bears. I am with you on Parsons or the Corners at 8 with extra picks. We still get a blue chip prospect. I think 3 quarterbacks, 2 offensive tackles and 1 wide receiver is going in the top 8. That leaves 1 of Parsons and the two corners possibly available at 8.