News: Cowboys Know Value Of Losing: Its Name Is 'Troy Aikman'

[Established1971]

Cowboys did not lose that last game on purpose. And GB won their last 2 games, all they had to do was lose one of them.
I remember it very well, as the next day a friend of mine at work high 5'd. yes we get Troy.
Was working in South Florida at the time.

However it was the trade of Walker that helped create that team with all the players they got from that, not Aikman alone.

However even then, the word was GB may still have taken Mandarich since they had Makowski. So Dallas still could have got Troy. Even then some stupid pundits said Dallas should pass on Troy and take Mandarich.

that Walker trade legend is so overrated. Sure it helped but none of the players they got made an impact and people always love to say they got Emmit with one of the picks when they did not, they took one of those picks, combined it with one of their own high picks and used the combination of the two to trade up for a new spot that they used to get Emmit. so half of Emmit is from the Walker trade.

I don't think anyone ever said Aikman alone won them super bowls, how could anyone suggest that

 

[tyke1doe]

Cowboys did not lose that last game on purpose. And GB won their last 2 games, all they had to do was lose one of them.
I remember it very well, as the next day a friend of mine at work high 5'd. yes we get Troy.
Was working in South Florida at the time.

However it was the trade of Walker that helped create that team with all the players they got from that, not Aikman alone.

However even then, the word was GB may still have taken Mandarich since they had Makowski. So Dallas still could have got Troy. Even then some stupid pundits said Dallas should pass on Troy and take Mandarich.

Thank you.

The Cowboys didn't tank. The Packers were in the slot for the first pick. The Cowboys were AWFUL and old. I remember it well too. I was happy as a lark when Green Bay won.

 

[tyke1doe]

that Walker trade legend is so overrated. Sure it helped but none of the players they got made an impact and people always love to say they got Emmit with one of the picks when they did not, they took one of those picks, combined it with one of their own high picks and used the combination of the two to trade up for a new spot that they used to get Emmit. so half of Emmit is from the Walker trade.

I don't think anyone ever said Aikman alone won them super bowls, how could anyone suggest that

Actually, the Emmitt Smith pick was from the Walker-to-Minnesota trade. The Cowboys squandered their own first round pick on Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft. Had they not traded Herschel Walker, the Cowboys would have had no pick in the first round and no Emmitt Smith.

And, with all due respect, your post is confusing and contradictory. See the part in bold. How could the Cowboys NOT used one of the picks they got from Minnesota and then use one of the picks they got from Minnesota to move up to get Emmitt?

 

[mattjames2010]

Oh please. Everyone & their mom knows the Rams reached the Superbowl due to that missed Pass Interference call on them vs Saints.

There was still game left, genius. Brees played like garbage late and turned the ball over. Saints have been imploding in the playoffs since 2010.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

I don't think anyone ever said Aikman alone won them super bowls, how could anyone suggest that

I don't believe that either, but on the other hand- one could ask if they win the Super-Bowls without Aikman.

Great QB's make coaches look brilliant. Everyone thinks Belichick is a genius, but he had Brady in his prime. He doesn't look so good now. Andy Reid was let go by the Eagles, but is now winning championships with a great QB. Does Jimmy Johnson win all those Superbowls with a lesser QB? His legacy might be a lot different without Aikman.

 

[viman96]

The article does not support the Cowboys tanking. The person that wrote the article used what happened in 1988 to support his opinion. Which is just that. Opinion.

 

[viman96]

that Walker trade legend is so overrated. Sure it helped but none of the players they got made an impact and people always love to say they got Emmit with one of the picks when they did not, they took one of those picks, combined it with one of their own high picks and used the combination of the two to trade up for a new spot that they used to get Emmit. so half of Emmit is from the Walker trade.

I don't think anyone ever said Aikman alone won them super bowls, how could anyone suggest that

***?! That trade was EPIC and there is nothing overrated about it.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I named a bunch of 1st round QB failures so yes, I made my point. The fact you can’t even acknowledge it is telling about your cognitive ability and or agenda.

Brilliant.

No team should take a QB in the first round because there’s been some 1st round busts. WTH are you doing on this forum? You should be in the front office with this profound analysis.

 

[csirl]

***?! That trade was EPIC and there is nothing overrated about it.

I agree. But I still think Jimmy J would have found a way to win even if the trade never happened. There was a determination to succeed in the team culture he instilled.

 

[buybuydandavis]

The other thing we must always keep in mind. Having a top 3 pick- even the #1 pick in this draft guarantees absolutely nothing.

The later the pick, the fewer players you can pick from. There's no guarantee at #1, but even less of a guarantee at #3. It's *better* to have the earlier pick.

Don't deny the obvious trade-off. There is a cost to winning games now.

 

[Rockport]

Brilliant.

No team should take a QB in the first round because there’s been some 1st round busts. WTH are you doing on this forum? You should be in the front office with this profound analysis.

No one said that numb nuts.

 

[conner01]

Dwayne Haskins, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Heath Shuler, Carson Wentz, Tim Tebow, Teddy Bridgewater, Jameius Winston, Paxton Lynch, Jarod Goff, Marcus Mariota, Johnny Manziel, EJ Manuel, Robert Griffey, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weedon, Cam Newton and on and on and on and on......

Only one of those were number 1 picks
Thus the value of the number 1 pick

 

[tyke1doe]

I agree. But I still think Jimmy J would have found a way to win even if the trade never happened. There was a determination to succeed in the team culture he instilled.

Like he did in Miami?
Those trades helped him build in a way he could not with the Dolphins.
He sought high and low for a running back but could not find one, even gambling on troubled Lawrence Phillips.
Draft picks help you increase your chances for success.

 

[tyke1doe]

Only one of those were number 1 picks
Thus the value of the number 1 pick

 

[jazzcat22]

that Walker trade legend is so overrated. Sure it helped but none of the players they got made an impact and people always love to say they got Emmit with one of the picks when they did not, they took one of those picks, combined it with one of their own high picks and used the combination of the two to trade up for a new spot that they used to get Emmit. so half of Emmit is from the Walker trade.

I don't think anyone ever said Aikman alone won them super bowls, how could anyone suggest that

I did not say Emmitt was one of those picks. And yes many of those picks did help, how can one say they did not.

 

[Rockport]

Only one of those were number 1 picks
Thus the value of the number 1 pick

They were ALL 1st round picks.

 

[gjkoeppen]

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news...YhMjUCskeDff0QeU4gIFLgHlCwNnO2chfU1mXw4zdD2IU

Here's the three problems with Whitt's article. First, it provides less than zero proof that the Cowboys indeed intentionally tanked any games in 1988 to get the 1st pick in the 1989 draft. Second, where as Aikman and the Cowboys did win 3 Super Bowls it was in large part due besides Aikman and the triplets, they also had a very good offensive line, defense and special teams. Now Irvin was drafted the year before Aikman and Emmitt the year after. Now the big improvements that came to the Cowboys were GREATLY help by the Walker trade. Now the Cowboys aren't going to have the benefit of a Walker type trade for next year's draft and next year's draft isn't going to be enough to fix all the problems along the offensive line, defense or special teams and with a smaller cap next year signing quality replacements won't be in the cards either. Three, Aikman who was surrounded by a much better team than the Cowboys today, just about all of his passing records were broken by not another #1 pick or even a top 5 pick, but by an UDFA named Romo as more proof that really good QB's don't have to be top 5 draft picks or even drafted. No matter where the Cowboys end up picking in next year's draft, they can improve and improvement doesn't only come from a top 5 pick.
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[gjkoeppen]

Unfortunately we are out of the running of Lawrence unless we trade up to get him which I am not opposed to doing depending on the price. With that being said I don't think who is ever at #1 will give it up.

With thinking like that I thank God that you have zero to do with the Cowboys. With all of the needs the Cowboys have, offensive line and multiple positions on defense, a smaller cap that won't allow for getting QUALITY free agents, you want to SQUANDER valuable draft picks on a QB that has ZERO guarantees that he will be as good let alone better than Prescott. Thank you God for not letting this guy a part of the Cowboys.
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[gjkoeppen]

Great. Now mention the good ones.

You obviously missed the point of how many bad bust QB's have been drafted as high as the 1st pick in the draft and any of the other picks. Having a top high pick has zero guarantees it shields the team from getting a bust.
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[gjkoeppen]

that Walker trade legend is so overrated. Sure it helped but none of the players they got made an impact and people always love to say they got Emmit with one of the picks when they did not, they took one of those picks, combined it with one of their own high picks and used the combination of the two to trade up for a new spot that they used to get Emmit. so half of Emmit is from the Walker trade.

I don't think anyone ever said Aikman alone won them super bowls, how could anyone suggest that

You have that so wrong. The Cowboys didn't have a 1st round pick in 1990 because of taking Steve Walsh in the 1st round of the supplemental draft in 1989 so they used the pick they got from the vikings in the Walker trade to trade up to the steelers 17th pick. So yes, the Walker trade got Emmitt. Even at that, if it was left to Jimmy Johnson, Emmitt wouldn't have been a Cowboy. Johnson wanted to draft LB James Francis but about 1 minute after the trade with the steelers was completed, the bengals drafted Francis so Johnson was going to take LB Tony Bennett but Jones said no to that and that they would take Emmitt. The ironic thing was that was the second draft in a row that Jones over ruled Johnson on their first pick. In 1989 Jonhson want to take Tony Mandarich but Jones said Aikman. In both cases the packers picked right after the Cowboys and took both players Johnson wanted. Mandarich was a bust and Bennett was an average LB. Johnson didn't want Aikman or Emmitt because they both turned him down and not going to Miami.

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