The tag and the elephant in the room

[CouchCoach]

Let's say they end up tagging Prescott. And let's add that they do not extend Dalton. And they do not draft a QB.

I don't think they have the cap to keep Dalton with tagging Prescott and they won't know prior to the draft what Prescott is going to do. And taking a QB could just exacerbate the situation.

I said last season no way he doesn't show up for 31.4M and no QB has ever been a no show on a tag. It's just not a good image but this is completely different with Prescott.

No QB ever got an injury like that on a tag. I don't recall any player on a tag getting an injury like that. Think the fans and media would be down on him for being a no show or would they be sympathetic to him since the majority of negative backlash was directed at the front office of the team when they failed to get a deal done last season?

This is new ground and on one hand Prescott and his agent want him to show the NFL that he's fully recovered and hasn't lost anything but another season ending injury and what's his worth now? Plus he gets that "injury prone" attachment.

Sure, 37.7M is a huge chunk o change but weighed against a potential of 150M over just the next 4 years and that requires some thought. Then you've got the question of what they do if he is a no show. Both this year and next.

Would you take the 37.7M this year and take your chances on an injury or worse, a re-injury that would most likely end your career? Keep in mind what's in his mind, that visual of his ankle does not go away easily. At the time, he was thinking he'd played his last down of professional football.

Or would you hold out and take your chances with what happens? Now, you are 31.4M richer than you were last year and still have the endorsements unless they bail on you and why would they? All depends on public opinion but I can see a lot of empathetic sports talking heads and they were 90% against the front office after the last failure to sign him.

I wonder if it's even crossed the Joneses' minds that he might be a no show? They for sure know their dealing with a serious dude in his agent and I could see him recommending that Prescott hold out.

So, what would you do? Both as Dak Prescott and the front office.

 

[CATCH17]

Let's say they end up tagging Prescott. And let's add that they do not extend Dalton. And they do not draft a QB.

I don't think they have the cap to keep Dalton with tagging Prescott and they won't know prior to the draft what Prescott is going to do. And taking a QB could just exacerbate the situation.

I said last season no way he doesn't show up for 31.4M and no QB has ever been a no show on a tag. It's just not a good image but this is completely different with Prescott.

No QB ever got an injury like that on a tag. I don't recall any player on a tag getting an injury like that. Think the fans and media would be down on him for being a no show or would they be sympathetic to him since the majority of negative backlash was directed at the front office of the team when they failed to get a deal done last season?

This is new ground and on one hand Prescott and his agent want him to show the NFL that he's fully recovered and hasn't lost anything but another season ending injury and what's his worth now? Plus he gets that "injury prone" attachment.

Sure, 37.7M is a huge chunk o change but weighed against a potential of 150M over just the next 4 years and that requires some thought. Then you've got the question of what they do if he is a no show. Both this year and next.

Would you take the 37.7M this year and take your chances on an injury or worse, a re-injury that would most likely end your career? Keep in mind what's in his mind, that visual of his ankle does not go away easily. At the time, he was thinking he'd played his last down of professional football.

Or would you hold out and take your chances with what happens? Now, you are 31.4M richer than you were last year and still have the endorsements unless they bail on you and why would they? All depends on public opinion but I can see a lot of empathetic sports talking heads and they were 90% against the front office after the last failure to sign him.

I wonder if it's even crossed the Joneses' minds that he might be a no show? They for sure know their dealing with a serious dude in his agent and I could see him recommending that Prescott hold out.

So, what would you do? Both as Dak Prescott and the front office.

You take the 37 million unless your ankle is preventing you to practice so then you just don't show up and say it's because of contract and hope for the best.

He can't turn down 37 million.

Also, if a guy like Dalton can come in and win at the same rate as Dak then what happens if they sign someone a little better then Dalton and they start out hot? I mean if the OL is healthy it's not going to be hard to find a QB who can have success with these wide outs. Plus the division is terrible.

Sitting out is a gamble not worth taking unless he is physically incapable.

 

[jrumann59]

Lets say he does not sign his Tag, failing to do so means he does not gain a season which means next spring it will be repeat, though if he sat he his rights would be traded if he could work out a long term deal with the trade partner.

 

[CouchCoach]

You take the 37 million unless your ankle is preventing you to practice so then you just don't show up and say it's because of contract and hope for the best.

He can't turn down 37 million.

Also, if a guy like Dalton can come in and win at the same rate as Dak then what happens if they sign someone a little better then Dalton and they start out hot? I mean if the OL is healthy it's not going to be hard to find a QB who can have success with these wide outs. Plus the division is terrible.

Sitting out is a gamble not worth taking unless he is physically incapable.

I disagree that it's not going to be hard to find a QB. By the time he no shows, they'll have to trade for a QB. There won't be one just waiting at home for the phone to ring.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Let me reiterate. If Jerry tags Dak at $37M, Dak would sign that in one second to make sure Jerry won’t pull the tag at a later date.

Dak can’t pass a physical. Dak can sign the tag and be guaranteed $37M even if he never plays a down next year, or ever. Who wouldn’t sign that?

Tell me when Dak can run, cut, throw and pass a physical. It isn’t before the draft.

 

[CouchCoach]

Lets say he does not sign his Tag, failing to do so means he does not gain a season which means next spring it will be repeat, though if he sat he his rights would be traded if he could work out a long term deal with the trade partner.

I do not see any way of a repeat next spring. If he is a no show, all bridges are burned. They have to try and trade him, if that is even feasible.

 

[CATCH17]

I disagree that it's not going to be hard to find a QB. By the time he no shows, they'll have to trade for a QB. There won't be one just waiting at home for the phone to ring.

Maybe but I think there will be decent QBs available for a long time this off-season and if he doesn’t have a deal by draft time then it would actually shock me a little if they aren’t serious about drafting a guy.

 

[aikemirv]

He has to sign and play - he really has no choice. He probably has a clause in those endorsement deals saying he is playing.

Fitz is a UFA

 

[CouchCoach]

Maybe but I think there will be decent QBs available for a long time this off-season and if he doesn’t have a deal by draft time then it would actually shock me a little if they aren’t serious about drafting a guy.

That's going to be the talk of the draft if he hasn't signed that tag. I think the consensus of opinion will be with yours, you have to take the QB now and maybe even move up for him.

If they think he's going to play on the tag eventually, it's still going to be one and done for 21. They will need the next QB so why not take him now when there is more to pick form than the draft they selected him.

 

[Rayman70]

He has to sign and play - he really has no choice. He probably has a clause in those endorsement deals saying he is playing.

Fitz is a UFA

ALSO, I think Dalton will be here too. I see Dak and Dalton here. NOW for some reason if we lose Dalton, I wanna bring in Fitz. If for whatever reason Dak isn't right come week 1, we can insert Fitz and not lose too much.

 

[CouchCoach]

He has to sign and play - he really has no choice. He probably has a clause in those endorsement deals saying he is playing.

Fitz is a UFA

Will he be when they discover Prescott's not showing?

I do not agree that he has no choice, if they consider what another season ending injury does to his career. After all, it's his career earnings that his agent is guarding. now and has been the last two years.

 

[aikemirv]

Will he be when they discover Prescott's not showing?

I do not agree that he has no choice, if they consider what another season ending injury does to his career. After all, it's his career earnings that his agent is guarding. now and has been the last two years.

Well, if he says I am not playing, Dallas says we are tagging you again next year, and bam, his career is done, his endorsements are done, if he does not play 2 years in a row.

Honestly this is why the non-exclusive tag is the way to go - right now, if they are not close to a deal. If you think he is playing under the tag because you are not close - you use the non-exclusive - you have nothing to lose.

 

[CouchCoach]

ALSO, I think Dalton will be here too. I see Dak and Dalton here. NOW for some reason if we lose Dalton, I wanna bring in Fitz. If for whatever reason Dak isn't right come week 1, we can insert Fitz and not lose too much.

Who are you willing to give up for a backup QB who's price has gone up? They tag Prescott and the cap is stuck on 180, that's 21% of the cap, you want to pay Dalton 7-9M on top of that? Want to have 25% of the cap tied up with QB's when this D is a disaster?

 

[aikemirv]

ALSO, I think Dalton will be here too. I see Dak and Dalton here. NOW for some reason if we lose Dalton, I wanna bring in Fitz. If for whatever reason Dak isn't right come week 1, we can insert Fitz and not lose too much.

If I can get Fitz under his current contract amounts them I let Dalton hit the streets and sign him now.

 

[CouchCoach]

Well, if he says I am not playing, Dallas says we are tagging you again next year, and bam, his career is done, his endorsements are done, if he does not play 2 years in a row.

Honestly this is why the non-exclusive tag is the way to go - right now, if they are not close to a deal. If you think he is playing under the tag because you are not close - you use the non-exclusive - you have nothing to lose.

Could not agree more on the non-exclusive but I do not see that happening.

 

[acr731]

They still have Gilbert on the roster, did everyone forget he looked decent against Pitt? Just imagine if he wasn't surrounded by a practice squad o'line that day.

If Dak continues to behave like a greedy butt head, taking a good hard look at Gilbert might be a viable option moving forward.

Could not agree more on the non-exclusive but I do not see that happening.

Jerry will eventually cave, just like he did with Zeke. Dak knows this....

 

[Rayman70]

If I can get Fitz under his current contract amounts them I let Dalton hit the streets and sign him now.

100%

 

[Doomsday101]

I expect Dak to get a longterm deal, if this happens then I would expect that Gilbert would be brought back. I think the price tag on Dalton will be a bit higher and think he will move on from Dallas. (If he stays at a low contract great) however do not see drafting of a QB if Dak signs at least not in the top 4 picks if at all. If Dallas is unable to sign Dak then all bets are off.

 

[Rayman70]

They still have Gilbert on the roster, did everyone forget he looked decent against Pitt? Just imagine if he wasn't surrounded by a practice squad o'line that day....

If Dak continues to behave like a greedy butt head, taking a good hard look at Gilbert might be a viable option moving forward.

good point. I think Gilbert deserves a chance in camp to earn that back up position. He is cheaper, younger, and still a vet. He has a little something to his game that I like.

 

[CouchCoach]

I do not underestimate the effect of public opinion in DFW and the sports world and I don't think Booger does either. He is well aware he was the bad guy last season and he remembers all too well the death threats about Emmitt that he and the DFW police took seriously. Now ask yourself this. More nuts around now than in 1993?