Who is winning championships without a Franchise QB?

[Diehardblues]

It’s rare. And I’m not talking about Elite QB’s. Just Franchise QB’s.

The only exception is those Generational defenses but even they had closer to a Franchise QB.

Despite however you feel about our QB and or his value , he has us over a barrel. Mostly because we hadn’t caved in earlier seasons. 35 million a year for 4 years he was asking for last year looks pretty good now. We knew it was just going to cost us more by holding out.

Anyway, If the 3 year deal he’s demanding is too much for 41 million, etc which not many would argue , our chances of drafting and developing another franchise QB in the next couple years not very likely.

It’s basically a matter of lesser of two evils. Worse case scenarios.

I certainly see our top 10 offense with an over paid QB more likely to carry a rebuilding defense to a division title and playoffs than without a Franchise QB. And if the offense really gels and we hit in a couple draft picks on defense while a couple previous picks blossom we could have closer to an average defense .

If not then it basically becomes a total rebuild. Who has much hope this dysfunctional organization will get that right. And how many years are we away from being competitive again. I just don’t see how knowing what we know with this leadership we can be hopeful that’s a better alternative.

 

[Aviano90]

The real question is whether the Cowboys can win their 6th consecutive Forbes Most Valuable Sports Franchise championship in July. All of the accounting fans should love that.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It’s rare. And I’m not talking about Elite QB’s. Just Franchise QB’s.

The only exception is those Generational defenses but even they had closer to a Franchise QB.

Despite however you feel about our QB and or his value , he has us over a barrel. Mostly because we hadn’t caved in earlier seasons. 35 million a year for 4 years he was asking for last year looks pretty good now. We knew it was just going to cost us more by holding out.

Anyway, If the 3 year deal he’s demanding is too much for 41 million, etc which not many would argue , our chances of drafting and developing another franchise QB in the next couple years not very likely.

It’s basically a matter of lesser of two evils. Worse case scenarios.

I certainly see our top 10 offense with an over paid QB more likely to carry a rebuilding defense to a division title and playoffs than without a Franchise QB. And if the offense really gels and we hit in a couple draft picks on defense while a couple previous picks blossom we could have closer to an average defense .

If not then it basically becomes a total rebuild. Who has much hope this dysfunctional organization will get that right. And how many years are we away from being competitive again. I just don’t see how knowing what we know with this leadership we can be hopeful that’s a better alternative.

Amazing how when the hater clowns thought Dak was just a bus driver, we always needed a great QB. We needed a real franchise QB.

The moment Dak developed into a top franchise QB, all of a sudden the clowns dont want one anymore. They want cheap QB's.

Ironic how the mind of a troll works. From dumb to dumber.

 

[csirl]

Despite however you feel about our QB and or his value , he has us over a barrel. Mostly because we hadn’t caved in earlier seasons. 35 million a year for 4 years he was asking for last year looks pretty good now. We knew it was just going to cost us more by holding out.
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How does Dak have us over a barrel?

From a different perspective, we have an out of contract QB, who cant yet pass a physical, and who has been unconvincing begging for money from a team who are in a good position in the draft AND have the cap space to sign or trade for an elite QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

List of SB winning Qb in Cap era

Brady
Mahomes
Foles
Manning’s
Wilson
Flacco
Rogers
Brees
Rothleisburger
Johnson
Dilfer
Warner
Elway
Favre
Aikman
Young

Out of 16 winning QB in Cap era. You have basically Foles, Dilfer and Johnson who weren’t Franchise QB’s.

3 Super Bowls out of 26. That’s about 12%. And 2 of 3 had generational defenses . The other a top 5 defense and the QB although not a Franchise QB played at a MVP level.

There simply isn’t a good percentage of winning Super Bowls without a Franchise QB despite whatever cap implications.

 

[Hypotenoose]

It’s all moot until we have a top 10-12 defense. I believe Dak is capable of delivering with a very good defense. It’s just going to be really hard to get said defense with the contracts currently on the books and a 40M QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

How does Dak have us over a barrel?

From a different perspective, we have an out of contract QB, who cant yet pass a physical, and who has been unconvincing begging for money from a team who are in a good position in the draft AND have the cap space to sign or trade for an elite QB.

His health isn’t a good argument . If it was there wouldn’t even been considering negotiations.

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s all moot until we have a top 10-12 defense. I believe Dak is capable of delivering with a very good defense. It’s just going to be really hard to get said defense with the contracts currently on the books and a 40M QB.

He delivered in 2 Seasons without a top 10 defense.

 

[Diehardblues]

Amazing how when the hater clowns thought Dak was just a bus driver, we always needed a great QB. We needed a real franchise QB.

The moment Dak developed into a top franchise QB, all of a sudden the clowns dont want one anymore. They want cheap QB's.

Ironic how the mind of a troll works. From dumb to dumber.

Yep
No doubt I’d rather have one of the more Elite QB’s. But the prospect of any success without a Franchise QB or Elite defense is bleak at best.

 

[Hypotenoose]

He delivered in 2 Seasons without a top 10 defense.

He was our staring QB in a playoff win. If that’s how you define delivering then I agree.

 

[csirl]

He delivered in 2 Seasons without a top 10 defense.

???? I must have amnesia. Dont recall us winning anything in decades

 

[Diehardblues]

He was our staring QB in a playoff win. If that’s how you define delivering them I agree.

For this dysfunctional organization the last 25 years, yes I’d describe that as successful . Would we like more success? Of course. But to say we haven’t had any success isn’t a proper description IMO.

 

[irishline]

He delivered in 2 Seasons without a top 10 defense.

The two years we made the playoff with Dak our defense was ranked 5th (2016) and 6th (2018). The other two years (not counting last season since he was only in 5 games) it was ranked 11th and 13th. This is not slam on Dak, but questioning your statement itself as to what it meant.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/index.htm

 

[csirl]

His health isn’t a good argument . If it was there wouldn’t even been considering negotiations.

Team didnt sign him long term when he was younger and healthier last year.

 

[Diehardblues]

???? I must have amnesia. Dont recall us winning anything in decades

Then I guess you missed those divisional playoff games where we’ve come as close to a championship appearance as we did a couple times in 2007 and 2014.

That’s about as good as it’s been this era under our dysfunctional organization.

 

[FiveSuperBowls]

It’s rare. And I’m not talking about Elite QB’s. Just Franchise QB’s.

The only exception is those Generational defenses but even they had closer to a Franchise QB.

Despite however you feel about our QB and or his value , he has us over a barrel. Mostly because we hadn’t caved in earlier seasons. 35 million a year for 4 years he was asking for last year looks pretty good now. We knew it was just going to cost us more by holding out.

Anyway, If the 3 year deal he’s demanding is too much for 41 million, etc which not many would argue , our chances of drafting and developing another franchise QB in the next couple years not very likely.

It’s basically a matter of lesser of two evils. Worse case scenarios.

I certainly see our top 10 offense with an over paid QB more likely to carry a rebuilding defense to a division title and playoffs than without a Franchise QB. And if the offense really gels and we hit in a couple draft picks on defense while a couple previous picks blossom we could have closer to an average defense .

If not then it basically becomes a total rebuild. Who has much hope this dysfunctional organization will get that right. And how many years are we away from being competitive again. I just don’t see how knowing what we know with this leadership we can be hopeful that’s a better alternative.

Dak most likely plays on the tag. He’s injured and JJ will not commit. Think I’m wrong? JJ didn’t commit last year or the year prior to that.

 

[Diehardblues]

Team didnt sign him long term when he was younger and healthier last year.

Franchise Tag is indeed signing him. Not long term.

Are you arguing the team isn’t interested in signing him long term?

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak most likely plays on the tag. He’s injured and JJ will not commit. Think I’m wrong? JJ didn’t commit last year or the year prior to that.

I’m not really interested in your opinion. Only what our organization decides. And it’s looking like we will probably tag him and move on in 2022.

 

[USArmyVet]

Amazing how when the hater clowns thought Dak was just a bus driver, we always needed a great QB. We needed a real franchise QB.

The moment Dak developed into a top franchise QB, all of a sudden the clowns dont want one anymore. They want cheap QB's.

Ironic how the mind of a troll works. From dumb to dumber.

"Hater clowns".....interesting how the name calling needs to accompany any debate when it comes to re-signing Dak or not. I love the adult nature of this group.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

It’s rare. And I’m not talking about Elite QB’s. Just Franchise QB’s.

The only exception is those Generational defenses but even they had closer to a Franchise QB.

Despite however you feel about our QB and or his value , he has us over a barrel. Mostly because we hadn’t caved in earlier seasons. 35 million a year for 4 years he was asking for last year looks pretty good now. We knew it was just going to cost us more by holding out.

Anyway, If the 3 year deal he’s demanding is too much for 41 million, etc which not many would argue , our chances of drafting and developing another franchise QB in the next couple years not very likely.

It’s basically a matter of lesser of two evils. Worse case scenarios.

I certainly see our top 10 offense with an over paid QB more likely to carry a rebuilding defense to a division title and playoffs than without a Franchise QB. And if the offense really gels and we hit in a couple draft picks on defense while a couple previous picks blossom we could have closer to an average defense .

If not then it basically becomes a total rebuild. Who has much hope this dysfunctional organization will get that right. And how many years are we away from being competitive again. I just don’t see how knowing what we know with this leadership we can be hopeful that’s a better alternative.

It's hard to reason why they shouldn't have gotten this done last year, even if meant giving him 4 years. Especially if he was willing to take $35-37M as reported.