We Don’t Even Know What Dak’s Ceiling Is!

Doomsday101

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I'm sure his ceiling is higher now that he has a new house. lol

Thus far the thing I notice with Dak has been constant work on improving as a QB.
 

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I'll admit I've been wrong about Dak. I remember Troy saying accuracy was something either you had or didn't have. Perhaps Troy was wrong too. Bottom line I've been pleasantly surprise to be wrong...so far.
Troy was talking about it in a later game. He said something to the effect that QBs either have accuracy or they don't because it takes so much to change it. QBs don't change their fundamentals at that point in their career because it's usually an insurmountable amount of work. He went on to say that it was obvious that Dak had done that. He was really high on him.
 

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Any player has an unknown ceiling but when people start comparing Dak to Manning, Staubach, and Aikman, things start taking a turn for the crazy. He has been in the league 6 years now and other than personal regular season stats, he has yet to have the post-season success so how about waiting until his career is over before placing him in the same company as Super Bowl winning QB's.
 

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Any player has an unknown ceiling but when people start comparing Dak to Manning, Staubach, and Aikman, things start taking a turn for the crazy. He has been in the league 6 years now and other than personal regular season stats, he has yet to have the post-season success so how about waiting until his career is over before placing him in the same company as Super Bowl winning QB's.
That's simply not true. He did have some post season success. And I haven't read anything that said he was already on their level. Literally no one has said that that I have seen. Maybe, if you could pull one sentence out of context somewhere, you could find something close. They've simply compared his progress to great QBs.

We've compared players to the greats since we had greats to compare them to. Part of fandom is looking ahead and hoping. When we think about players, it helps to have a context to project...good and bad.
 

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That's simply not true. He did have some post season success. And I haven't read anything that said he was already on their level. Literally no one has said that that I have seen. Maybe, if you could pull one sentence out of context somewhere, you could find something close. They've simply compared his progress to great QBs.

We've compared players to the greats since we had greats to compare them to. Part of fandom is looking ahead and hoping. When we think about players, it helps to have a context to project...good and bad.

Appreciate the reply and agree that hoping Dallas can return to their Super Bowl days but the trap as a fan is hoping and looking ahead as we have seen good starts previously only to be let down, hence taking it one week at a time.
 

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Any player has an unknown ceiling but when people start comparing Dak to Manning, Staubach, and Aikman, things start taking a turn for the crazy. He has been in the league 6 years now and other than personal regular season stats, he has yet to have the post-season success so how about waiting until his career is over before placing him in the same company as Super Bowl winning QB's.
You’re right that Dak hasn’t earned that distinction to be mentioned among the Staubach and Aikman stratosphere yet, and won’t until he wins some big playoff games. But I also believe he’s capable of doing that. Doesn’t mean he will or won’t. I think he has what it takes. Only time will tell. As you said, we’ll have to wait before accurately making that pronouncement.
 

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You’re right that Dak hasn’t earned that distinction to be mentioned among the Staubach and Aikman stratosphere yet, and won’t until he wins some big playoff games. But I also believe he’s capable of doing that. Doesn’t mean he will or won’t. I think he has what it takes. Only time will tell. As you said, we’ll have to wait before accurately making that pronouncement.

As was witnessed early in 2020 without a quality TEAM effort (running game, defense, special teams) Dak can't do it on his own. Much like the Aikman days of a sound running game, a quality defense, and timely passing Dallas could be on the verge of something but time will tell as the season goes along.

That said, looking beyond this year has Dallas needing to really evaluate contracts and free agency (as well as the draft) as there is no denying there are some areas to improve (OL getting older and injury prone, DL, Safety, etc.) but also no denying there is some seriously young talent being generated in Dallas (Diggs, Parsons, Schultz, Lamb) which certainly makes the future interesting and hopeful.
 

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Dak's ceiling currently Matt Stafford until he leads the team to playoffs success.

When/if Dak leads the team to post season success then we can say his ceiling is the same as other good QBs that have lead their teams to playoff success.

Until then he is Matt Stafford. A top level QB that hasn't had the post season success.
 

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Appreciate the reply and agree that hoping Dallas can return to their Super Bowl days but the trap as a fan is hoping and looking ahead as we have seen good starts previously only to be let down, hence taking it one week at a time.
Why do people tell fans to do this? The players should take it one week at a time. The fans should be excited especially since we don’t win consistently. Now is not the time to temper expectations lol.
 

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Dak's ceiling currently Matt Stafford until he leads the team to playoffs success.

When/if Dak leads the team to post season success then we can say his ceiling is the same as other good QBs that have lead their teams to playoff success.

Until then he is Matt Stafford. A top level QB that hasn't had the post season success.
His ceiling is Matt Stafford? Dak has had more success then Matt Stafford and in a less amount of time and he didn’t have Megatron to screw up either.
 

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Dak's ceiling currently Matt Stafford until he leads the team to playoffs success.

When/if Dak leads the team to post season success then we can say his ceiling is the same as other good QBs that have lead their teams to playoff success.

Until then he is Matt Stafford. A top level QB that hasn't had the post season success.

Fair comparison as not until Stafford joined the Rams and their quality defense has he enjoyed early success (4-1 record this season) and Stafford and Dak are similar so far this season:

Stafford 117 of 172 68% Comp % 1,587 Yards 12 TD's 3 INT's 113.2 RTG

Prescott 122 of 165 73.9% Comp % 1,368 Yards 13 TD's 3 INT's 116.9 RTG
 

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His ceiling is Matt Stafford? Dak has had more success then Matt Stafford and in a less amount of time and he didn’t have Megatron to screw up either.
different teams bro, dak walked into a 2014 team mostly still around even if 2015 may have had fans forget this yeam had talent and added even more with zeke etc so MS never got that not many years the lions have been part of that Trash group of teams where players went to asie lile the jets, browns, jags,,

MS is better pure passer the day he came into the league and was on a terrible team, most years..he got the Barry treatment and megatron retired early as well..

MS is tony Romo 2.0 and was able to escape that mess over there and maybe can rewrite his reputation in the league the way romo couldn't..

no team success isnt on the qb is it??

i mean if Team w-l records are 100% on the qb well that not good subjects to bring in here because it will expose many of our qbs..:rolleyes::popcorn:
 

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His ceiling is Matt Stafford? Dak has had more success then Matt Stafford and in a less amount of time and he didn’t have Megatron to screw up either.
Matt Stafford nor Dak has had any real success.

Both are top level QBS that have not had any success that matters.

If Dak wants to separate himself from guys like that then he needs to get some playoffs success under his belt the same way that Stafford does.
 

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Why do people tell fans to do this? The players should take it one week at a time. The fans should be excited especially since we don’t win consistently. Now is not the time to temper expectations lol.

So as a fan you have Super Bowl aspirations and what happens if Dallas fails to achieve that? My point is why get too far out on front of the skis as opposed to simply taking a week by week approach? To each their own of course as we all decide individually how to approach being a fan....albeit at the end of the day none of this impacts our respective lives.
 

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Imagine if he had the whole offseason without the injury to work on his game. He has came out awesome. But the injury maybe forced him to work on other aspects of the game. Healing from it he had to learn the footwork again. But some say he is a bus driver that can’t win if the game is only on him.
 

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We all had concerns about Dak post ankle injury, but he has been on fire this season from the opening game to the present. It’s clear that we don’t have any idea what Dak’s ceiling is. He continues to improve his accuracy, his QBR, and is a superb leader. I’m so excited to see how great Dak can become. He has improved every season and I’m excited to see how high he can fly!
True, he never seems content
But is always looking to improve
 

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different teams bro, dak walked into a 2014 team mostly still around even if 2015 may have had fans forget this yeam had talent and added even more with zeke etc so MS never got that not many years the lions have been part of that Trash group of teams where players went to asie lile the jets, browns, jags,,

MS is better pure passer the day he came into the league and was on a terrible team, most years..he got the Barry treatment and megatron retired early as well..

MS is tony Romo 2.0 and was able to escape that mess over there and maybe can rewrite his reputation in the league the way romo couldn't..

no team success isnt on the qb is it??

i mean if Team w-l records are 100% on the qb well that not good subjects to bring in here because it will expose many of our qbs..:rolleyes::popcorn:
That 2016 was so talented it won 4 games the year prior lol….meanwhile Stafford had Megatron and in 2014 he lost with the the second best defense in the league. Stafford was never Romo. Romo may have not had his arm talent but he was get more successful as a player.
 

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So as a fan you have Super Bowl aspirations and what happens if Dallas fails to achieve that? My point is why get too far out on front of the skis as opposed to simply taking a week by week approach? To each their own of course as we all decide individually how to approach being a fan....albeit at the end of the day none of this impacts our respective lives.
If they fail? They fail. On to the next season lol. All I’m saying is enjoy the ride. I was a pessimistic Mavs fan when they won their ring…so miserable that I didn’t even enjoy the ride until the finals came around.
 

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Matt Stafford nor Dak has had any real success.

Both are top level QBS that have not had any success that matters.

If Dak wants to separate himself from guys like that then he needs to get some playoffs success under his belt the same way that Stafford does.
But Dak has had playoff success. Stafford….he lost to the 2014 Cowboys with the best D in the league. I get what your saying. He needs to have more success for sure but comparing him to Stafford….ehh I don’t know about that one. Maybe Phillip Rivers or hell even Romo.
 
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