Draft debate: Is Jordan Davis a two or three down player in the NFL

[darthseinfeld]

At Georgia he wasnt asked to rush much, however his measurables show potential pass rush upside.

With that said, the topic this week is:

Is Jordan Davis a two or three down player in the NFL?

 

[AsthmaField]

Two. He could provide good push on early downs when teams decide to throw (which they likely would with Davis playing the run)… but if you know a pass is coming, you’d rather have an Odighizuwa in there most of the time IMO.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

He's a two down guy. If he was a three down guy Georgia's coaches would have used him that way. We're not smarter than they are. There are probably stamina issues that prevent a guy that massive from being out there every down anyway.

 

[cnuball21]

Arguably the most overrated player in the draft…college tape shows he offers zero pash rush and has endurance issues.

The talks of 1st round are insane to me. Travis Jones is a better player IMO.

 

[chicago JK]

It is a good question. Depending on the answer, I would tell you where he should be drafted. If he doesn’t provide pass rush and is a two down player then I don’t think he is a mid teens draft pick value wise no matter how good he is on those two downs.

 

[Dalmations202]

If your defense demands him to take on a double team and provide 2 gap coverage, then he is a 2 down player.
If you defense demands him to one gap, but still demand a double team, he can be a 3 down players.

All depends on the defense, and his endurance.

 

[Dalmations202]

Question?
XWalker compared JDavis to Dontari Poe. Said he was a clone of him, with even the lazy streak.

Was Poe actually that lazy and non committed or was he not motivated properly by coaching?

I have seen several players over the years that just didn't really care about football, and only played because everyone expected them too because of their size, and it made them money. They just didn't really care to do any more than required and were often called lazy.

Then I have seen players that got frustrated and then didn't perform because the coaching sucked, and their coaches didn't motivate them to perform at a higher level.
The longer the time they aren't motivated, the more likely they seem to be content regardless of their talent.

So is it a personal issue, a coaching issue, or often times both ? ? ?

 

[fivetwos]

I wonder if they would even take him if he was there at 24.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Question?
XWalker compared JDavis to Dontari Poe. Said he was a clone of him, with even the lazy streak.

Was Poe actually that lazy and non committed or was he not motivated properly by coaching?

I have seen several players over the years that just didn't really care about football, and only played because everyone expected them too because of their size, and it made them money. They just didn't really care to do any more than required and were often called lazy.

Then I have seen players that got frustrated and then didn't perform because the coaching sucked, and their coaches didn't motivate them to perform at a higher level.
The longer the time they aren't motivated, the more likely they seem to be content regardless of their talent.

So is it a personal issue, a coaching issue, or often times both ? ? ?

He must have been comparing college Davis to pro Poe, because Poe's tape in college was outright bad. Poe was drafted on measurables alone, and its just one of those cases where it worked (well sort of).

As far as college players, the only comparison between the two are measuables. The only place Poe could play effectively before he got to the pro's was a 0T

 

[darthseinfeld]

Question?
XWalker compared JDavis to Dontari Poe. Said he was a clone of him, with even the lazy streak.

Was Poe actually that lazy and non committed or was he not motivated properly by coaching?

I have seen several players over the years that just didn't really care about football, and only played because everyone expected them too because of their size, and it made them money. They just didn't really care to do any more than required and were often called lazy.

Then I have seen players that got frustrated and then didn't perform because the coaching sucked, and their coaches didn't motivate them to perform at a higher level.
The longer the time they aren't motivated, the more likely they seem to be content regardless of their talent.

So is it a personal issue, a coaching issue, or often times both ? ? ?

Should also be noted that once Poe got developed in the pro's, he made an All Pro team and had a 6 sack season which is alot for anyone that plays in a 1 or 0 Tech.

 

[Cowboyny]

I see Davis being strictly a two down player who comes off the field against the pass. He offers nothing as a pass rusher and his stamina runs hot and cold.

 

[tm1119]

Georgia DT’s 2021 snaps vs pass
Jordan Davis- 221
Devonte Wyatt 265
Jalen Carter- 267

vs run
Davis- 157
Wyatt- 158
Carter- 129

Total season snap %
Davis- 38%
Wyatt- 42%
Carter 40%

I feel like Davis being a 2 down player at Georgia is a bit exaggerated. Georgia has a plethora of talent and subs a lot. Jalen Carter may actually be the most talented Georgia DT and is projected to be a high pick in 2023

And then there’s the fact that Georgia was #4 in the nation in sacks. Perhaps Davis didn’t directly accumulate pass rushing stats himself, but his presence is always felts and affects his teammates.

This thread is full of people complaining that the Cowboys don’t value the 1tech while simultaneously complaining about the traits of a true 1 tech.

 

[BAT]

2 down guy right away with potential to be every down player.

Already a productive run killer in middle (Cowboys desperately need) with upside and generational measurables to also rush the passer.

What's not to like?

 

[kskboys]

Arguably the most overrated player in the draft…college tape shows he offers zero pash rush and has endurance issues.

The talks of 1st round are insane to me. Travis Jones is a better player IMO.

Not true. He's a true pocket pusher. That's how NT's rush the passer, by not giving them a pocket to step up into. That sort of play makes your 3 tech and DE's way more effective.

 

[kskboys]

Question?
XWalker compared JDavis to Dontari Poe. Said he was a clone of him, with even the lazy streak.

Was Poe actually that lazy and non committed or was he not motivated properly by coaching?

I have seen several players over the years that just didn't really care about football, and only played because everyone expected them too because of their size, and it made them money. They just didn't really care to do any more than required and were often called lazy.

Then I have seen players that got frustrated and then didn't perform because the coaching sucked, and their coaches didn't motivate them to perform at a higher level.
The longer the time they aren't motivated, the more likely they seem to be content regardless of their talent.

So is it a personal issue, a coaching issue, or often times both ? ? ?

I think he's more like Paul Solai, a very nice player for the Dolphins a few years ago. Huge and immoveable, but surprisingly nimble for his size. Davis is a force in the running game. He is strictly a NT.

 

[kskboys]

Bengals don't sniff the super bowl w/o DJ Reader, their pocket collapsing middle stuffing NT.

Bengals run a 4-3, same as us.

 

[WillieBeamen]

@stilltheguru this is your guy at 24, eh

 

[stilltheguru]

@stilltheguru this is your guy at 24, eh

Yes. When you see him next year putting in work on a top 10 run d remember this.

 

[Chuck 54]

He’s being pushed way up due to his crazy combine numbers. I’m not interested. He had those same abilities at Georgia, but did nothing with them and was rotated in and out. Unless a coach thinks he was in a terrible system, I wouldn’t touch him before the third round. Let someone else overdraft him in round 1.

 

[stilltheguru]

He’s being pushed way up due to his crazy combine numbers. I’m not interested. He had those same abilities at Georgia, but did nothing with them and was rotated in and out. Unless a coach thinks he was in a terrible system, I wouldn’t touch him before the third round. Let someone else overdraft him in round 1.

Asked about Georgia defensive lineman Jordan Davis, Saban said he is one of the “most dominant players in college football. ... He’s really hard to block. He’s got great size. He’s very powerful, but he’s got very good short area quickness.” Saban said Davis is about as good of an interior player as he’s seen in a long time on any college football team.

Cz scout or Nick Saban. Hmmmm