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[charron]

A lot of teams will take a guy that they really want a round early because they know that player will not be there when their turn comes back around. Happens quite frequently.
Smith wasn't making it out of the first round even if the Cowboys didn't take him. He wasn't going to be there in the 2nd for the Cowboys or anyone else to take.

Yea and I'd be ok with him going somewhere else. Give me Loyd who would start right away not because he's a high pick but because the kid can play and it would give Micah freedom to rush the passer. Or Jermain who was highly graded by many or one of the best center prospects who is the exact opposite of Smith. Technically perfect, plays with good leverage, great feet work, just not as big or as strong. He will be a good immediate starter. Well have to see if Smith can even beat out McGovern and you lose some ability with the type of blocks Smith is limited in doing.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

When you draft at the back end of every round their strategy is to draft their targets one round early. Can't you guys see that. If a guy they covet falls they snatch him up. This is their strategy.

Now if you want to view a helter skelter draft policy, just review the Patriots picks.

Keep in mind Jerry pretty much said unless a Lamb or Parson drops, they knew how/who they were drafting.

 

[CouchCoach]

Lucky we moved down two spots and got 3rd rounder to add with parsons'..i say they had them, 1a 1b and 1c, not luck he was in their plans the rnore time. Much diffident at 24 in every round where most of your board is all gone by the time you pick and you have to make choice..

to question what you truly do not know ie how they had these guys ranked is whats wrong with fans you are NOT A Coach, you are NOT a gm so don't change your name to GMGM so give it a break, I realize on some boards JJ was better choice but BPA takes into account need over a slightly better talent if they had an 88 on JJ and a 89 on Smith they decided the OL was larger need and the fact they got Sam in the 2nd i say it was a solid choice and cant truly be judged until they all play. so unless you have definitive proof like real insider who stole the laptop, ipad, phone and all whiteboards from the star , just give this conspiracy they dont have a plan or strategy draft day a rest,. You do NOT KNOW!!

you are making opinionated based judgements on whom they passed on, that not proof.

Opinionated based judgments? Why I never! Well, yeah, I do and so do you and everyone else here.

But I tell you what is not opinion. Booger is a liar so I start any thought process about what he says with that fact.

 

[charron]

Yeah, can't argue that, but at the end of the day it's higher rated players on other people's systems so it's all chance with probabilities factored in.

If he ends up shoreing up the line and gives us a nasty factor then I think a year from now we will look back and be very happy....obviously only time will tell

Oh definitely. All that matters is he hits. Don't expect hof, or even pro bowl from him right away. If he can be atleast a solid guard who is near elite run blocking it'll be a good pick.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

We need a center from somewhere.

 

[Jipper]

Oh definitely. All that matters is he hits. Don't expect hof, or even pro bowl from him right away. If he can be atleast a solid guard who is near elite run blocking it'll be a good pick.

I'm hoping he brings that fear factor back...sure he's going to miss some assignments and get some penalties but he's going to make the defensive players across from him feel it...at least that's what I hope

 

[Flamma]

That is probable but do you think they thought Johnson would be there at 24? No one else did.

OL was a more urgent need that they helped create so they had to act. The odds of Smith making it to the 2nd were not nearly as good as Williams being there in the 2nd.

Had they taken Johnson, what OL would they have taken next?

I might have checked out trading back into the 1st with BAL at 25, taken Johnson and then Smith.

Raimann was there. But that's not the point. I agree with your assessment, however, I'm not arguing Johnson VS Williams. By Committing to Williams in the 2nd, you now remove any player that fell to 56. So had they taken Johnson in the first, they could have taken Travis Jones in the 2nd. Went OL in the 3rd. Of course that's not without its problems as well.

 

[CouchCoach]

Yeah, can't argue that, but at the end of the day it's higher rated players on other people's systems so it's all chance with probabilities factored in.

If he ends up shoreing up the line and gives us a nasty factor then I think a year from now we will look back and be very happy....obviously only time will tell

There are at least 2 boards created by every team and one is needs based.

The team that had a pick in the 1st with the fewest holes, TB, even had a need. Dropped back to 33 and filled that need at ST with Suh and unknown. Was that DT the BPA? Don't think so.

Was Cole Strange the BPA where NE took him?

The one team that seems to follow that BPA model is GB and that's how they ended up with Rodgers and Love. When a team takes a QB before they need him, that's BPA on display. They need WR's yet take a LB with their first while their 50M QB sits alone, weeping in the corner.

 

[sdfidaho]

Agree but these people have to spin it that he was the best option overall. For this team and what happened over the off season, he was the best option to address a gaping hole in that OL when their turn came.

I think the Cowboys pick affected Belichick and he was concerned he would not get Strange with his next pick. He doesn't care where he picked him, only that he got him.

I can’t even listen to these clowns anymore. JJ and Sonny Boy just get my blood boiling, so best for my health to just ignore. Unfortunately, easier said than done as radio talking heads are going to recap for me in order to poke fun.

 

[charron]

I'm hoping he brings that fear factor back...sure he's going to miss some assignments and get some penalties but he's going to make the defensive players across from him feel it...at least that's what I hope

Think he'll be fine on straight up runs. But also he won't be able to execute some pulling blocking schemes. But your right just let him maul the nearest guy, keep things simple and he should be ok.

 

[Reid1boys]

Lamb drops to 17 and they do not have a need to spend a 1st on a WR but he does for some bragging rights about getting a steal. That positional pick was at the bottom of needs.

In rankings, the 3rd best edge rusher, 3rd best DT and the best LB all fall to 24 and the fact that Jermaine Johnson is there is the shocker of the 1st round and the Jets are beyond giddy to cap off one of the best 1st rounds in recent history.

They went for need on all 3 picks and that's not necessarily a bad thing but it proves they really do not have a draft strategy.

We won't know the truth about where they had Smith ranked or if they would have taken him if Green, Johnson, Burks or Penning would have been there.

The guy saying he was their 16th and ahead of the other higher ranked OL by every service in the game lied about the last 1st round pick and was countered by his son telling the truth that it was always the 2 CB's.

These 3 players are not bad players and they may work out but they have "need" all over them and the first pick has "reach" and it seems the owner did a number on us by switching his risk pick from the 2nd round to the 1st round.

I really do not have a problem with the pick, he's rough and I don't know how ready he is but he's got attitude and size and I like him already better than I ever did the pick for the Willams "project".

However, do we really have to deal with this clown insulting us with his ego based lies all of the time? "The other guys were gone and we took the highest rated OL on our board" or "Once Horn and Surtain were gone, the choice was easy for Parsons and we were lucky he was there".

Does this man think he is going to fool us into thinking this is all by design, part of the master plan? It's one thing to ignore the fans; it's something else to insult them.

I cant believe that SOB has the nerve to show me he had bacon and eggs for breakfast. I mean cmon.... we all know from his past that he doesnt even like bacon and eggs. Im just livid at his BS. ....... smh. Cmon Coach. So each day do you sit down, have some coffee, read some article and underline the parts that might give you some fodder for another Bit.. about Jerry post? I like you, we go back many years now to the old site. You come here and post daily. You are thoughtful and you add much to the site.... but damn, do you actually enjoy anything about this team anymore? Serious question. Did you enjoy anything about last year? When you see Jerry's face does your body start to twitch? Im being serious. Your hate for him is so strong that I dont understand how you can watch this team, read articles, oro otherwise have anything to do with the team at all, because it is impossible to separate the team from its' owner.

You might want to see a counselor.... its a joke.. dont slam me again for insulting you.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

It appears, so far they've drafted every No 1 player they targeted for each round. Listening to them talk, Tyler was their guy all along. He's exactly who/what Jerry was referencing with his "thinking outside the box" comment. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry knew how bad we wanted Sam Williams and listen to McClay talk about Tolbert. It's not hard to see he was on their radar.

 

[blueblood70]

I mentioned this in a different post. I think they had their minds set on Sam Williams in the 2nd, and that's why they didn't pick Jermaine Johnson.

Facts dont align with butthurt fans feelings LOL i agree they didn't have plan and when it was OL and most of who were on their board were gone and the knew that smith would be gone before they pick again in the 2nd they reshuffled and chose Smith and then made decision to pick Sam a round early..i think no splash moves is fine i see talent in smith, sam, and jalen..needs yes but this isn't a taco situation. I doubt Johnson will be so good that we will regret it the rest of our lives..who knows time will tell but they filled need but not with horrible reaches like Taco but with highly talented players who might be being underestimated right now.

Poor coach lives in a world full of conspiracies and feelings that the jones wake up and go to sleep and yes shower LOL thinking of lying to fans..

its not the case they run their team without fans in mind as it should be, jeez all these feelings of being spurned. So ridiculous.

their responses with the after pick interviews with the draft sheets are IN response to media and fans not believing them and in now way was it a coverup to make fans feel better..SMH HARD my neck hurt's, please stop

 

[Bobhaze]

Lucky we moved down two spots and got 3rd rounder to add with parsons'..i say they had them, 1a 1b and 1c, not luck he was in their plans the rnore time. Much diffident at 24 in every round where most of your board is all gone by the time you pick and you have to make choice..

to question what you truly do not know ie how they had these guys ranked is whats wrong with fans you are NOT A Coach, you are NOT a gm so don't change your name to GMGM so give it a break, I realize on some boards JJ was better choice but BPA takes into account need over a slightly better talent if they had an 88 on JJ and a 89 on Smith they decided the OL was larger need and the fact they got Sam in the 2nd i say it was a solid choice and cant truly be judged until they all play. so unless you have definitive proof like real insider who stole the laptop, ipad, phone and all whiteboards from the star , just give this conspiracy they dont have a plan or strategy draft day a rest,. You do NOT KNOW!!

you are making opinionated based judgements on whom they passed on, that not proof.

Yeah but this is (checking my notes)….an opinion forum.

 

[sdfidaho]

Yea and I'd be ok with him going somewhere else. Give me Loyd who would start right away not because he's a high pick but because the kid can play and it would give Micah freedom to rush the passer. Or Jermain who was highly graded by many or one of the best center prospects who is the exact opposite of Smith. Technically perfect, plays with good leverage, great feet work, just not as big or as strong. He will be a good immediate starter. Well have to see if Smith can even beat out McGovern and you lose some ability with the type of blocks Smith is limited in doing.

Yeah, because they painted themselves into a corner pre-draft, LB is/was down the list of needs.
You look at what’s left at LB now in this draft, and I’m not sure I would use a pick on any of them.
Would have been nice to get one of the top ones to free up MP as you stated!

 

[CouchCoach]

Think he'll be fine on straight up runs. But also he won't be able to execute some pulling blocking schemes. But your right just let him maul the nearest guy, keep things simple and he should be ok.

I think he is already better than what they had and still have with McGovern.

I do not have a problem with the pick because I do not have a problem with needs based drafting. The draft is to help fix problems and this was one of those drafts with few blue chippers at the top and pretty solid depth so I think there was a lot of needs based drafting which is why both NY teams had such great 1st rounds.

I think every one of these teams constructs the big board for fun because that is expected and then they fine tune it to their specific needs. Except maybe GB.

 

[Reid1boys]

Best player available (BPA) and need are synergistic and compensatory. If you already have your franchise QB, do you pick the best QB who also may be one of the BPAs in the draft if he falls in your lap? No. You trade the pick for something or you pick the player you need who is also the BPA. You always have to look for what you’re compensating for. The point has always been to not REACH for need over BPA, and everything within that is a gray area.

WE had no "Need," for CeeDee, but it worked out pretty well since without him on the roster today, wed be in big trouble. I like taking BPA and working to fill holes in other ways. With the exception of the QB, not 1 position is going to be the reason teams lose games IMO.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

I don't think there's a prayer he's around after the 1st though, so it probably doesn't matter

Smith is not a generational talent type of player....even if he is not there, you can always get someone similar to him in the 2nd round. I can see if he was this out of this world talent you can't pass up, but he ain't. He's a project just like the others in the next round.

 

[Reid1boys]

I don't believe him most of the time when he talks. He's a master snake oil salesman and he's just trying to get fans excited for another inevitably disappointing season.

Couldnt disagree more. Jerry could be in a comma and the fans are going to get excited for the upcoming season. Look at the last 4 drafts(minus covid year). Look how many people are flying from across the country to attend the draft. Are they needing a reason to get excited about the upcoming season? Is that all Jerry prodding these people to spend their money and fly to the draft?

 

[Reid1boys]

When you draft at the back end of every round their strategy is to draft their targets one round early. Can't you guys see that. If a guy they covet falls they snatch him up. This is their strategy.

Now if you want to view a helter skelter draft policy, just review the Patriots picks.

No way, Billy has 6 rings.... they have great strategy. How dare you even think of questioning the competency of the great Patriot way.






Thats sarcasm..... I now have to put this.