The non-utopian reality

[CouchCoach]

No the haters just hate everything.

They don't like their pet cats not getting fed.

Like it or not, the Cowboys had a needs based draft and addressed those the best they could without trading up.

The word "reach" gets used a lot but who cares? Yosemite was a reach. Did he solve the problem? Yes. And so did Lawrence.

It is interesting that those that didn't like this draft are ignoring even what those in the media that aren't fans of it are saying. It was a good value draft for a team standing pat at their picks. That's all they can do, make the best pick to address the need.

 

[Runwildboys]

Seems some of us want to throw in the towel even before the bell rings. If fact they're throwing the towel in at weigh-ins.

Some people don't like to risk the disappointment of life not being what they want it to be, so they prepare for the worst without hoping for the best

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

*acquired

Damn brain fart again. That tends to happen when I'm going through four or five threads.

 

[Runwildboys]

Damn brain fart again. That tends to happen when I'm going through four or five threads.

I figured it was a speed thing.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

Any rational fan realizes this but most Cowboys fans have Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[blueblood70]

That can only be proven on paper, if that, at this point.

The feeling is NY and PHL had better drafts. Well, picking 5th and 7th and having 2 top 4 picks fall to you will do that and PHL had some draft capital to work with to get Brown, who I do think is the best East WR on paper right now. He is exactly what they needed for Hurts.

What we do not know at this time about the Cowboys is did they adequately fill the holes created in the off season.

One thing I feel I do know, the Cowboys have the best QB in the East. And a top 4 in the NFC.

captain obvious correct? i mean all 3 teams in our division picking in the top 10 and had multiple 1st round s picks because they were worse then us last year.,,.of course on paper they looked to have better draft and most likely got better players but they needed to improve far more then we did to catch us.

does this OP understand the 6-0 beat down of the east at the hands of us wasn't as simply as 6-0, the point differential was off the charts the games were not competitive until we let off the gas. we destroyed then,. So yes the gap my have lessened but that doesn't mean they will be better then us.

if all we did is hold serve we can still win the division.

 

[CouchCoach]

Some of us would like to actually see some games played before we decide whether we're doomed or not.

Oh yeah??? You and who else???

Oh sure, take the easy way. Watch games and then decide. I am going to go check the rules again to see if that is a violation.

Actually, there is no rule against stating an opinion without information, facts or knowledge.

And I feel for the wait and see posters, what the hell do they have to argue about?

 

[jwooten15]

We're going 9-8 and finishing 2nd in the division.

If by some very slim chance we make the playoff we will be a 1st round exit.

If Dallas is smart (they're not) they will see the writing on the wall after next season. They will draft a QB high, let him serve as the back up and learn, then when Dak's contract is up he will take over.

The cowboys don’t do things like the Patriots or Packers do. They would never draft a QB high because they’d be scared of insulting their $40 million bus driver. Rather than making savvy and strategic roster moves, they let personal loyalty and friendly relationships steer the ship. Real competition at that position is forbidden

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

The cowboys don’t do things like the Patriots or Packers do. They would never draft a QB high because they’d be scared of insulting their $40 million bus driver. Rather than making savvy and strategic roster moves, they let personal loyalty and friendly relationships steer the ship. Real competition at that position is forbidden

Hearing how upset Jerry was that his love of Gregory didn't go both ways gave me a weird sense of satisfaction knowing that it bothered him that much.

 

[john van brocklin]

they got more talent then we did and only a Jones minion would say otherwise.

I think we can say that while Dallas got some good potential/project type players,
The Egirls and Midgets got some studs.
Granted both those teams had way more draft capital than us.
Really all we got as an advantage on the rest of the Division is a superior QB.

 

[MonsterD]

They don't like their pet cats not getting fed.

Like it or not, the Cowboys had a needs based draft and addressed those the best they could without trading up.

The word "reach" gets used a lot but who cares? Yosemite was a reach. Did he solve the problem? Yes. And so did Lawrence.

It is interesting that those that didn't like this draft are ignoring even what those in the media that aren't fans of it are saying. It was a good value draft for a team standing pat at their picks. That's all they can do, make the best pick to address the need.

The draft itself is fine, the problem is that 1.These are rookies, no one can expect them to Micah Parson into the season and be that large of a contribute.
2.The same lame antics will happen next year that they handle their own players poorly like Cooper or L.Collins, and they overvalue some players maybe they give Lamb a new contract for 35 million a year, after a decent season. And after that the trading and negotiation is very poor with other teams putting us at a distinct disadvantage.

Last they will have coaching again become something of a lethargic interloper not doing the best to help these young guys and rookies. Making really counterintuitive schemes and plays, and not being as functional in team morale and chemistry establishing a distinct identity for the young guys to be formed into and become a greater whole sum than the parts.

The FO does the same types of practices that led to playoff loss and the ignoring free agency so they save the big bag for guys already on the team who are not worth it, I.e. Randy Gregory. They are not going to try anything new that really brings in a fresh approach, say like the Rams did trading away like 4 first round picks and bevy of other high picks to grab the guys they needed to fill in their holes that were created from bad decisions before, i.e. Jared Goff.

The rookies are fine the pessimism remains, as it should ,that any step forward they take inevitably will be brought back from other poor management or decisions.

BTW I do think there were a few reaches in the draft but having to reach because of the terrible off-season was a problem in itself before the draft even took place.

 

[Runwildboys]

Hearing how upset Jerry was that his love of Gregory didn't go both ways gave me a weird sense of satisfaction knowing that it bothered him that much.

Schadenfreude

 

[Runwildboys]

I think we can say that while Dallas got some good potential/project type players,
The Egirls and Midgets got some studs.
Granted both those teams had way more draft capital than us.
Really all we got as an advantage on the rest of the Division is a superior QB.

But the order in which guys are drafted very often turns out to be unrelated to actual play in the NFL, so the "potential" we drafted could very well turn out to be worth more than the existing "quality" they got.

 

[Ranched]

We're going 9-8 and finishing 2nd in the division. If by some very slim chance we make the playoff we will be a 1st round exit.

If Dallas is smart (they're not) they will see the writing on the wall after next season. They will draft a QB high, let him serve as the back up and learn, then when Dak's contract is up he will take over.

 

[john van brocklin]

But the order in which guys are drafted very often turns out to be unrelated to actual play in the NFL, so the "potential" we drafted could very well turn out to be worth more than the existing "quality" they got.

Would love to see that !
But historically the better slot a player is drafted the better the odds of him being a better player.
So the rest of our division stunk and got great draft slots, we had to "pay" for being good with a poor position.
That gave the rest of the division a leg up on improving through the draft.
Toss in the fact that Egirls and Midgets had multiple first rounders put them in position to gain ground on us.

 

[baltcowboy]

I understand why people don’t like our draft but let’s let the players play a season before we pan them. Except for the Taco and Hill drafts the Cowboys have drafted well since 2011. The Cowboys seem to have had a plan so let’s see it play out.

 

[CouchCoach]

The draft itself is fine, the problem is that 1.These are rookies, no one can expect them to Micah Parson into the season and be that large of a contribute.
2.The same lame antics will happen next year that they handle their own players poorly like Cooper or L.Collins, and they overvalue some players maybe they give Lamb a new contract for 35 million a year, after a decent season. And after that the trading and negotiation is very poor with other teams putting us at a distinct disadvantage.

Last they will have coaching again become something of a lethargic interloper not doing the best to help these young guys and rookies. Making really counterintuitive schemes and plays, and not being as functional in team morale and chemistry establishing a distinct identity for the young guys to be formed into and become a greater whole sum than the parts.

The FO does the same types of practices that led to playoff loss and the ignoring free agency so they save the big bag for guys already on the team who are not worth it, I.e. Randy Gregory. They are not going to try anything new that really brings in a fresh approach, say like the Rams did trading away like 4 first round picks and bevy of other high picks to grab the guys they needed to fill in their holes that were created from bad decisions before, i.e. Jared Goff.

The rookies are fine the pessimism remains, as it should ,that any step forward they take inevitably will be brought back from other poor management or decisions.

BTW I do think there were a few reaches in the draft but having to reach because of the terrible off-season was a problem in itself before the draft even took place.

Most teams basing it on needs will reach.

The Cowboys absolutely had to come out of those first two days with a G, DL and WR. I do not buy that they would have taken Smith over Green or Johnson because both are better suited to play from day 1 but they may not have the ceiling Smith does for moving over to T. They chose G over DL in taking Johnson because they knew Smith would be gone.

I do not know about the WR pick, too much like Gallup but they did a nice pick up with the 4th with the TE so we may see more 12 sets and have 2 possession receivers.

 

[DallasEast]

 

[Runwildboys]

Would love to see that !
But historically the better slot a player is drafted the better the odds of him being a better player.
So the rest of our division stunk and got great draft slots, we had to "pay" for being good with a poor position.
That gave the rest of the division a leg up on improving through the draft.
Toss in the fact that Egirls and Midgets had multiple first rounders put them in position to gain ground on us.

Ya can't just let me be hopeful???

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

For one thing, grammar!!!! For another, check back in a few years to see who had the better draft. Furthermore, we have no idea how this season will play out. Sure, we might be crap, or we might be good. Who knows. I'm thinking we got 10-7 this year, but who knows.