You Will Never Draft The Next Patrick Mahomes If You Handcuff Yourself To Alex Smith

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KC replaced a well paid starting QB who wasnt quite good enough and made it to the SB.
TB replaced a well paid starting QB etc...
Rams replaced etc.
Eagles replaced etc.
Bengals replaced etc.

Anyone see a pattern?
 

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I see many fans here simply satisfied with making the playoffs and winning a few regular season games.

The Chiefs made the playoffs the year they traded up to draft Mahomes and the rest is history.

We all know that if the situations would have been reversed we'd have fans here saying things like "Alex Smith's don't just grow on trees! We made the playoffs! You just need to get him help at WR and OL. If we do that we're good!"

It's impossible to know if you're getting the next Mahomes or the next Manziel, but you're never going to know unless you actually try.

The Cowboys FO biggest issue is handcuffing itself to mediocrity and becoming comfortable in it. That's not just with the QB position either. However, the QB position needs to be taken seriously. We've not taken a QB in the 1st round since Aikman. I'd much rather us try on the unknown talent then handcuff ourselves to mediocrity.
Can y’all delete this thread he’s literally made the same thread every week for the past 3 weeks. They keep dying off and he keeps making them. He thinks the team that wanted to trade up to get Paxton Lynch and Johnny Manziel are going to find the next Mahomes.
 

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KC replaced a well paid starting QB who wasnt quite good enough and made it to the SB.
TB replaced a well paid starting QB etc...
Rams replaced etc.
Eagles replaced etc.
Bengals replaced etc.

Anyone see a pattern?
What well played starting qb did TB replace?

Matt Stafford was highly paid what are you talking about lol?
 

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The problem is that how many Mahomes' are there? Are we really confident Herbert, Allen can win a ring for their teams? I think the Bungles can win one with Joe if they can get out of their own way, and the Jags are on track for this as well. The Eagles have built a team that Hurts can play lousy, and still beat anybody. The Chiefs can let Hill go and they look as if not more dominant without him. This is so far beyond having the right QB it's crazy
Eagles still have the rookie contract QB, which is a huge benefit. Granted the Eagles are in a better spot than most to deal with a major QB contract given the draft capital they have, itll be very interesting to see what that team looks like in 2024/2025. I think for sure Allen can win a championship. I think Herbert is up in the air, and its a fair question as to if LA should extend him or look to deal him. Still LA has the ability to choose, and they have an asset that they can cash in on for multiple 1st round draft picks if they choose to. Once the ink dries on that new contract it changes things a bit.

Reality is the NFC is a far weaker conference right now, and is set up for a team like the Cowboys to make a move. The problem is how do they make a move to get better. IDK if moving Dak is even a realistic scenario. You're about to have to pay Lamb, Diggs, Parsons, etc in the very near future, all of which could realistically be the highest paid at their positions. Would you consider trading a guy like Diggs? Personally I think that is a very good idea to at least explore, but you are still faced with the reality that it may be a fantastic long term move, but you make your team that much worse in the short term.

You're spot on in saying that there are only so many elite QBs out there, but with so many in that average to good category we are also getting into a real debate about teams paying these guys big money. Even a few years ago you had to sign your guy because finding a new QB was extremely difficult. Fast forward to 2023 and that task doesn't seem as daunting. I was hardcore in the opinion that we had to keep Romo at any cost, but I've gone back and forth on the Dak issue for that reason. You have multiple veteran free agent options. You've got backups on this team going 4-1. You have 7th round rookies making it to championship games. Sam Howell looked really good in a small sample size. You have guys like Rogers available for trade. Meanwhile the guys like Wilson, Rogers, Murrays who just got new deals were all sitting at home to start the post season.
 

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I wouldn't say nothing, they have one of the most promising young QB in the league. That young QB just happens to play in the same division as possibly the best QB of this generation
That’s not why they have done nothing though. They just got into the playoffs for the first time. Jaguars stood in their way not the Chiefs….
 

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Can y’all delete this thread he’s literally made the same thread every week for the past 3 weeks. They keep dying off and he keeps making them. He thinks the team that wanted to trade up to get Paxton Lynch and Johnny Manziel are going to find the next Mahomes.

So maybe the answer would be for the Joneses to bring in someone who can evaluate QBs coming out of college. Because on their own I'm not sure they are smart enough in that area to sport the next Mahomes or even Joe Burrow. The one thing I can guarantee all of those teams have been common, is that their owners weren't acting like they knew it all when it come to finding the next elite QBs and they consulted who studied the position and use that to evaluate the best QB prospects coming out of college.
 

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The problem is that how many Mahomes' are there? Are we really confident Herbert, Allen can win a ring for their teams? I think the Bungles can win one with Joe if they can get out of their own way, and the Jags are on track for this as well. The Eagles have built a team that Hurts can play lousy, and still beat anybody. The Chiefs can let Hill go and they look as if not more dominant without him. This is so far beyond having the right QB it's crazy
Exactly. It’s about system. Matt Stafford and Hurts are showing that. QB and OC go hand in hand.
 

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The problem the Cowboys have had for the last 27 years is the front office not knowing when to let go and walk away. This has led to moronic contracts that have hamstrung the team. Dak Prescott and Zeke Elliot are just two in the long list of horrible contracts offered out.
 

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I see many fans here simply satisfied with making the playoffs and winning a few regular season games.

The Chiefs made the playoffs the year they traded up to draft Mahomes and the rest is history.

We all know that if the situations would have been reversed we'd have fans here saying things like "Alex Smith's don't just grow on trees! We made the playoffs! You just need to get him help at WR and OL. If we do that we're good!"

It's impossible to know if you're getting the next Mahomes or the next Manziel, but you're never going to know unless you actually try.

The Cowboys FO biggest issue is handcuffing itself to mediocrity and becoming comfortable in it. That's not just with the QB position either. However, the QB position needs to be taken seriously. We've not taken a QB in the 1st round since Aikman. I'd much rather us try on the unknown talent then handcuff ourselves to mediocrity.
I dont see a Mahomes in this draft so to trade up from 26 it would have to be someone of that talent. I like the Kentucky QB but he's about as good as Dak at reading Defenses right now. He's more polished in a Pro style offense because that is what they ran in Kentucky but he's about the only one that has a Chance to fall to a spot where you consider moving up for him. And really after watching his tap in 2021 it was amazing yes you move up, but 2022 not as good and you wait and see if he drops to you ala Arron Rogers
 

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Best case scenario. And it pains me to even say it. However it is the only way for this team to move forward and have a chance.

MM fails miserably next season. Team doesnt win more than 5 games. New HC comes in and drafts Drake Maye or Caleb Williams.
The good thing is, I think we know who the replacement coach is going to be. Which is Dan Quinn. I do think we will probably regress a bit next year, and a higher draft pick might be good. Especially since we weren't supposed to be have the regular season that we did this year. Caleb Williams or Drake Maye would do well to sit behind Dak for one season and learn.
 

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Exactly. It’s about system. Matt Stafford and Hurts are showing that. QB and OC go hand in hand.
Again, not always. There are guys like Kurt Cousins and Dak who are just average on the chart that can do a few things, maybe manage a game with a whole lot of talent around them but they will never be the QB that is going to make the special play. Can you win with that? Sure. Do you need way more than what they have on offense? Absolutely. Even with a healthy Pollard I doubt we beat SF - it is no mystery why the Cowboys have a terrible record when they ask Dak to throw the ball more.
 

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The analogy is a good one. Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith his rookie year. The Chiefs were making the playoffs every year and Alex Smith made the pro bowl the year they drafted Mahomes as well as Mahomes rookie season. But, Andy Reid saw the teams ceiling and wasn't satisfied. It was a gutsy move drafting Mahomes at a cost of 3 #1 picks and with a pro bowl QB on the roster. Reid took a ton of heat for the move. But, that's what visionary people do......... they see things before everyone else. Dallas has no visionary in the front office or on the sideline.

ehh.... alex smith was always a stop gap with their eyes on a qb of the future, and the whole fan base was clamoring for a new qb/upgrade. they were fortunate mahomes was in range for a trade and credit for actually pulling the trigger but it's essentially him and a rod as situations that don't often occur and panned out well.
 

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First you have to admit you have a problem before you can address it.
Jerry has paid Dak $40 mil and so that makes Dak a franchise QB in his eyes so why move on.
If we had a real GM then that might change but we don't so we're stuck!

I don't think he wanted to. The problem was that we didn't really have a choice when he made that move. If Jerry hadn't procrastinated, he could've signed Dak for about $35 mil the year before. That way, he'd have $5 mil extra. But, he waited and our defence was horrendous in the year that must not be named. So, he was forced to extend Dak so that we could rebuild the defence.

I argued for the short-term extension of Dak to serve as a bridge. That way, we could spend 2 years fixing the defence, and then we could start looking at replacements for Dak. We are past the two year mark. It's time, imo, for Dak's replacement to be found. He doesn't have to start immediately. I'd draft Max Duggan this year in round 2-4 and perhaps draft Caleb Williams next year. Both would have time to learn under Dak before they need to start. Then, when Dak's contract is finished, we should be able to have a QB battle between Duggan and Williams. Winner gets the starting job, and the loser gets traded for draft picks. The draft picks then get used to build more aspects of the team to where we can build what the Eagles have built this year. That's how we become a juggernaut imo.
 

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You Will Never Draft The Next Patrick Mahomes If You Handcuff Yourself To Alex Smith

It doesn't even have to be another Patrick Mahomes or cost a first round pick.

You Will Never Draft The Next Jalen Hurts If You Handcuff Yourself To Carson Wentz

Unfortunately, Jerry Jones is obsessed with proving he is a football guy by finding diamonds in the rough. Whether it is with undrafted Tony Romo or 4th round Dak, or with under-qualified Jason Garrett or Kellen Moore, Jerry wants to prove to the NFL that he is such a good judge of football talent that he finds guys that the real football professionals in the league overlooked, and therefore he is more football smart than the true professionals. And he is stubborn, giving guys who don't quite have "it" too much time to prove Jerry right. If he was smarter he would hedge his bets by having a plan B and plan C, but maybe it is his background in the oil industry that gives him his all or nothing approach.

I disagree with people who say Jerry doesn't want to win and only cares about money. He wants to win, but if and only if doing so also proves to the league that he is as football smart as any of them. Hiring a professional GM might allow the team to win a championship, but then Jerry would have to share the credit with the GM, and that is unacceptable. Jerry has been trying to do this too long to change now. He thinks next year will be the year he will finally prove to the league he is just as football smart as they are. And if not next year then the year after that. Or the year after that.
 

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I don't think he wanted to. The problem was that we didn't really have a choice when he made that move. If Jerry hadn't procrastinated, he could've signed Dak for about $35 mil the year before. That way, he'd have $5 mil extra. But, he waited and our defence was horrendous in the year that must not be named. So, he was forced to extend Dak so that we could rebuild the defence.

I argued for the short-term extension of Dak to serve as a bridge. That way, we could spend 2 years fixing the defence, and then we could start looking at replacements for Dak. We are past the two year mark. It's time, imo, for Dak's replacement to be found. He doesn't have to start immediately. I'd draft Max Duggan this year in round 2-4 and perhaps draft Caleb Williams next year. Both would have time to learn under Dak before they need to start. Then, when Dak's contract is finished, we should be able to have a QB battle between Duggan and Williams. Winner gets the starting job, and the loser gets traded for draft picks. The draft picks then get used to build more aspects of the team to where we can build what the Eagles have built this year. That's how we become a juggernaut imo.

Not only that, but our defence is a NT and perhaps another very good corner away from being the top defences in the league. So, I think our draft this year should be, and the order doesn't matter really, NT, Duggan, RB, WR, and CB, or, use our FA, since Jerry doesn't like to spend much at FA, to spend on one player. Doesn't matter the position, but I'd prefer Darron Payne, NT from Washington. Bring him in, and then go RB, Duggan, CB, and WR. Or, RB, CB, Duggan, and WR. The order of that does not matter to me as long as we get those positions addressed in the draft.
 
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