The importance of good defense

[stilltheguru]

Did turnovers disappear or just switch sides?

Tough to be aggressive when the offense is turning the ball over and can't manage a first down.

A real defense giving excuses. I gotcha. Never fails. In real life do you give excuses as well if you fail at something? I don't recall the legion of boom crying about russ throwing picks. Why is that nate Dogg?

 

[nate dizzle]

A real defense giving excuses. I gotcha. Never fails. In real life do you give excuses as well if you fail at something? I don't recall the legion of boom crying about russ throwing picks. Why is that nate Dogg?

Was Russ so panicked that he was also unable to move the ball against a bottom tier Packers defense? You asked for the reasons the turnovers dried up and I gave them to you.

Personally I think the whole team has been a paper tiger for the past 5 years. Defense and offense are both built well enough to beat bad teams. QB pisses himself when the other team starts scoring and the defense goes to sleep when the offense can't get a lead.

 

[stilltheguru]

Was Russ so panicked that he was also unable to move the ball against a bottom tier Packers defense? You asked for the reasons the turnovers dried up and I gave them to you.

Personally I think the whole team has been a paper tiger for the past 5 years. Defense and offense are both built well enough to beat bad teams. QB pisses himself when the other team starts scoring and the defense goes to sleep when the offense can't get a lead.

https://www.footballdb.com/games/boxscore/green-bay-packers-vs-seattle-seahawks-2015011801

Explain this game nate diggity dogg the excuse maker for something that's top 5. I'm interested on your breakdown

This is the problem with most cowboy fans. They confuse early/mid regular season with late season/playoffs.......like Jerry Jones

 

[Flamma]

I'd say it's often a joke.

It is. I think Hughes got a pick and two fumble recoveries in 1977. The guy was johnny on the spot all game.

Mahomes got MVP in their first meeting against the 49ers. If anything, he almost cost them the game. In 1990, Ottis Anderson should not have got MVP, Mark Ingram should have got it. His play was the turning point of the game. It goes on and on.

 

[nate dizzle]

https://www.footballdb.com/games/boxscore/green-bay-packers-vs-seattle-seahawks-2015011801

Explain this game nate diggity dogg the excuse maker for something that's top 5. I'm interested on your breakdown

This is the problem with most cowboy fans. They confuse early/mid regular season with late season/playoffs.......like Jerry Jones

Bad game by Russ...until he brought them back for the W.

 

[stilltheguru]

Bad game by Russ...until he brought them back for the W.

Nothing about the defense? You're such an honest man with no agenda. Thanks for your response buddy

 

[Chasing6]

Mazi was a bad pick because of his skillset.

Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant are both top DTs in this draft and they have all the skills to be great DTs.

It just doesn't follow that because a failed player came from a school that other players at that position from that school are also bad. Unless you're saying the MICH only signs DTs that won't be good in the NFL, I guess.

Why would you draft the slowest DT in round 1? When has that worked before on any team in the history of the NFL.

 

[CCBoy]

Interesting you mention 77. I saw that game again a couple of months ago, which I hadn’t seen since being an eight year old…highlights aside.

Couple things stood out….

-I dont know how you don’t give Randy Hughes the MVP with the int and fumble recovery. Not that it was great performance, and was off the bench, but the heroics were spread around so much in that game, he seemed like the top performer IMO. Not taking anything away from White/Martin but how exactly was that decision arrived at? The whole DL was outstanding.

-Dallas didn’t dominate that game the way the scoreboard would show, or how I remembered it. Dallas was perceived as a heavy favorite going in, but it didn’t seem as if it was fully out of reach for some time.

-The Craig Morton thing, which I didn’t know or care about as a kid, was interesting….especially with White getting the MVP.

-Those days are SO over it’s a really bad joke.

It's still a game of game changers and consistency.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Mazi was a bad pick because of his skillset.

Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant are both top DTs in this draft and they have all the skills to be great DTs.

It just doesn't follow that because a failed player came from a school that other players at that position from that school are also bad. Unless you're saying the MICH only signs DTs that won't be good in the NFL, I guess.

 

[gimmesix]

Thanks to floodwaters, I've spent the day inside the house watching two Cowboys Super Bowl games (1992 and 1977). Well, actually I'm in the middle of the 1977 games.

And what I've noticed is that you've just got to have good defense no matter who good your quarterback (Aikman, Staubach) are running back (Smith, Dorsett) are. In both games, the offenses got off to rough starts, but the defense was wreaking havoc on the Bills' and Broncos' offense. In the 1992 game, the defense ended up getting eight turnovers and scoring twice. So far in the 1977 game, Doomsday has harassed, sacked or hit Craig Morton and forced two interceptions. While the Orange Crush has also been able to get to Staubach, those turnovers have helped Dallas get out to a 10-0 lead.

We want as good of a quarterback as we can get. Same with the running back. But if we continue to neglect the defense, we won't be seeing any of these Super Bowls any time soon. It's so fun watching front sevens that just dominate.

An even better example of this might have been the 1994 Super Bowl. We had done practically nothing in the first half. We were down 13-6 and Aikman had thrown an interception that killed one of our possessions.

In the second half, we came out and Leon Lett forced a fumble that James Washington returned for a TD to tie the game. On our next possession, we drove for a TD almost exclusively on running plays. Aikman had a dump pass, but otherwise Emmitt Smith carried for 61 yards and the score.

We went back to doing little on offense, with Aikman missing some receivers (particularly Jay Novacek) until Washington made an interception. Then with a mix of the run and pass, we capitalized for a TD (on a fourth-down goal-line run).

Without a great defense and strong running game, there's little doubt we lose that Super Bowl. And that's with a Hall of Fame QB.

Today, our offense gets off to a slow start and we know it's over.

 

[CCBoy]

Did turnovers disappear or just switch sides?

Tough to be aggressive when the offense is turning the ball over and can't manage a first down.

That has to be it...the team just doesn't know how to play football yet...and it's so easy, too.

 

[CCBoy]

I'm pretty sure it was more than a month ago but yeah we get your point and I agree I mean look at how Matthew Stafford got bailed out from leaving the league in interceptions having two interceptions in the Super bowl and what happened this defense neutralized those turnovers by getting one of their own and completely shutting down any hopes of turning those interceptions into something that could lose them the game...

People around here have like really vague memories of what happened with Troy Troy had one of the best run games in offensive lines in football he had multiple targets to throw to but he had one of the best defenses and coaching Staffs to ever assemble and I saw Troy no interceptions in playoff games I saw Troy throw interceptions in key moments I remember like Patrick farms remembers look at his touchdown interception ratio imagine having all that benefit of a team around you that's so good and you still make mistakes that's crazy right that Mister perfect Mr. Hall of Fame quarterback had moments where he had us playing from behind.

I don't remember which Buffalo game it was but I remember they got down 10 to nothing or something and it was one because it was a bad start by Troy in the second-half the defense bailed him out then the run game bailed him out they play defense and run and hardly ask Troy to even throw the ball the rest of the game I know he made good throws but this dude did not carry the Cowboys and neither did Roger it was the entire team it was all the weapons it was in the trenches it was the coaching staff neither which Prescott or Romo ever really had in the playoffs we're talking about in the playoffs I don't wanna hear about all the pro bowlers and guys here on the team and sporadic times seasons yes collectively there was some good talent on the last couple decades teams but they didn't show up in the playoffs in the important areas running the football stopping the run and having weapons show up instead of blow up in a bad way...

I mean you really can't blame Romo for having your kicker missed 2 kicks having your best running back that year fumble the damn football on a hole so big it probably was gonna be a touchdown but at the very least it would have been a 60 yarder and then having a bad call by the referees turned around on days all of the same game but sure romo's career is he chokes in big moments all quarterbacks have bad moments in games but on the great teams they don't blame him and sit and lose games because of it they make a stand and they go out and play well on defense special teams everywhere that's what you get as a team in a team game......

Most mistakes are removed with focus and forged in fire...not when an emotional base is the center and not prepared for the fight. Fight!

 

[gimmesix]

We haven’t neglected the defense. Not sure but I believe we’ve used more first round picks on the defense the past couple of decades but some were flops. We’ve struggled to find a dominant DT.

After drafting three DL (OK, Ware and Spencer were classified as OLBs in the 3-4) in the first round from 2005-2007, we've drafted three total in the first round from 2008-2024 ... and one of those was an actual linebacker who has become our top pass rushers.

 

[nate dizzle]

Nothing about the defense? You're such an honest man with no agenda. Thanks for your response buddy

They held them in check. Like Dallas D did with SF. Only difference is, Dak didn't come back.

Like I said, this defense has been a paper tiger and depends on playing with a lead, or the offense at least keeping them off the field. They are no more the Legion of Boom than Dak is Russ.

 

[stilltheguru]

They held them in check. Like Dallas D did with SF. Only difference is, Dak didn't come back.

Like I said, this defense has been a paper tiger and depends on playing with a lead, or the offense at least keeping them off the field. They are no more the Legion of Boom than Dak is Russ.

In check like Dallas in San fran? Yea the 2 into they created vs Rodgers was equal to the zero vs purdy. Again, you're such an honest man with no agenda. I appreciate you

 

[Coogiguy03]

100%

Mazi's skillset and production in college screamed 3rd/4th round pick. Here's the monstrous warning sign that we either completely ignored or were just too dumb to understand: "poor lateral mover who can't create angles."

Know what that means? It means you don't have to double team him as he can't get off blocks.

Nothing about Mazi said 1st round pick.

Post of your life

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Thanks to floodwaters, I've spent the day inside the house watching two Cowboys Super Bowl games (1992 and 1977). Well, actually I'm in the middle of the 1977 games.

And what I've noticed is that you've just got to have good defense no matter who good your quarterback (Aikman, Staubach) are running back (Smith, Dorsett) are. In both games, the offenses got off to rough starts, but the defense was wreaking havoc on the Bills' and Broncos' offense. In the 1992 game, the defense ended up getting eight turnovers and scoring twice. So far in the 1977 game, Doomsday has harassed, sacked or hit Craig Morton and forced two interceptions. While the Orange Crush has also been able to get to Staubach, those turnovers have helped Dallas get out to a 10-0 lead.

We want as good of a quarterback as we can get. Same with the running back. But if we continue to neglect the defense, we won't be seeing any of these Super Bowls any time soon. It's so fun watching front sevens that just dominate.

that includes this year's crop of teams. KC team didn't score over 30 points once during the year and they went 15-2. their two regular season losses when the other teams scored 30 points or more.

eagles were best defense in yards allowed and 2nd in scoring defense. they were 7th in scoring offense and 8th in yards...

defense wins championships.

 

[nate dizzle]

In check like Dallas in San fran? Yea the 2 into they created vs Rodgers was equal to the zero vs purdy. Again, you're such an honest man with no agenda. I appreciate you

Lol dude I already said the defense folds. Not sure what else you want. I know the only reason you're continuing to argue is because I said Dak also pisses himself, which he does. Both things can be true.

Agenda...lol. I think Dak is a front running chokebag. I don't try to hide it. A quick glance at my profile pic kind of gives it away.

 

[gimmesix]

Lol dude I already said the defense folds. Not sure what else you want. I know the only reason you're continuing to argue is because I said Dak also pisses himself, which he does. Both things can be true.

Agenda...lol. I think Dak is a front running chokebag. I don't try to hide it. A quick glance at my profile pic kind of gives it away.

My only point would be that every QB wets himself at some point. Again, I'm watching the 1994 Super Bowl and Aikman is mostly looking like crap through halfway through the fourth quarter, but Dallas leads 27-13 because of the defense playing lights out and the running game.

Sure, you want the best QB you can possibly get, but guys are Hall of Famers partly because they played on great teams that gave them the chance to overcome bad performances. Our playoff struggles are not all on Dak and Romo. Given better defensive play, we may have made it back at least to an NFC title game by now.

 

[SquidwardTentacles]

Thanks to floodwaters, I've spent the day inside the house watching two Cowboys Super Bowl games (1992 and 1977). Well, actually I'm in the middle of the 1977 games.

And what I've noticed is that you've just got to have good defense no matter who good your quarterback (Aikman, Staubach) are running back (Smith, Dorsett) are. In both games, the offenses got off to rough starts, but the defense was wreaking havoc on the Bills' and Broncos' offense. In the 1992 game, the defense ended up getting eight turnovers and scoring twice. So far in the 1977 game, Doomsday has harassed, sacked or hit Craig Morton and forced two interceptions. While the Orange Crush has also been able to get to Staubach, those turnovers have helped Dallas get out to a 10-0 lead.

We want as good of a quarterback as we can get. Same with the running back. But if we continue to neglect the defense, we won't be seeing any of these Super Bowls any time soon. It's so fun watching front sevens that just dominate.

Well we have a bad defense, bad offense and a bad QB.

That is a recipe for misery