The importance of good defense

CowboysFaninHouston said:
agreed. but defense needs to make a few stops. if the defense consistenlty gives up TDs and over 30 points and can't make stops, then it puts pressure on offense and IMHO makes them one dimentional. offense can't score on every possession. and thus you fall behind and become one dimentional. which makes it more predictable. which makes it easier to defend.

KC won 15 games this past year because their defense didn't give up more than 30 points. the two times they did...they lost. same in playoffs.
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Very true, but the problem manifested last season was injury. Otherwise, we could be measuring the prospects of something like this:

We go back to 2016, the year after that exact backup quarterback calamity struck a Cowboys team that was returning after being a Dez Bryant "catch-no catch" play away in Green Bay, Wisconsin, from advancing to the 2014 NFC Championship Game, where they would have faced a Seattle team the 12-4 Cowboys had already beaten earlier in the season, 30-23, and in Seattle at that.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/spagnola-come-on-qb-joe-say-it-s-really-so
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
agreed. but defense needs to make a few stops. if the defense consistenlty gives up TDs and over 30 points and can't make stops, then it puts pressure on offense and IMHO makes them one dimentional. offense can't score on every possession. and thus you fall behind and become one dimentional. which makes it more predictable. which makes it easier to defend.

KC won 15 games this past year because their defense didn't give up more than 30 points. the two times they did...they lost. same in playoffs.
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Defense is important. And i did state that ours is terrible. But then so is our offense.

The fact that Schottenheimer got as much as he did out of our offensive is to his credit
 
SquidwardTentacles said:
Defense is important. And i did state that ours is terrible. But then so is our offense.

The fact that Schottenheimer got as much as he did out of our offensive is to his credit
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Now what has evolved in a positive direction as well?

This is a new season and at least this fan doesn't first need to put down this year's team to start out!

Top three needs: Top three needs: RB, WR, CB. The Cowboys added Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders in free agency, but running back remains a high priority. This is a deep draft class at the position, which means they might not have to lock into one at No. 12 overall.

Dallas is also looking for a No. 2 receiver opposite CeeDee Lamb and has issues at cornerback, even with the trade for 2022 first-round pick Kaiir Elam. Trevon Diggs' availability for the start of the season is in question following left knee surgery, and nickel corner Jourdan Lewis signed with Jacksonville. -- Todd Archer

How would this affect both the offense and defense?
 
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stilltheguru said:
You still crawling around? Cowardly. Either shut up or keep it moving. Don't pretend to still want to be embarrassed for your terrible takes. Trying to explain the Seattle playoff game was you pretending to push back knowing it was a L.
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Wild that you think 1 game you found from a decade ago proves anything I said was wrong. Do you even know what an anomaly is? Anyways, you've continued to try to make this personal for some reason so I'm going to drop you on ignore for a while and put you in a time-out. Like a child.
 
nate dizzle said:
Wild that you think 1 game you found from a decade ago proves anything I said was wrong. Do you even know what an anomaly is? Anyways, you've continued to try to make this personal for some reason so I'm going to drop you on ignore for a while and put you in a time-out. Like a child.
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It went from you grasping at straws to explain what happened in the game to now an anomaly. You're pride got the best of you little nate. Do better next time
 
CCBoy said:
Now what has evolved in a positive direction as well?

This is a new season and at least this fan doesn't first need to put down this year's team to start out!

Top three needs: Top three needs: RB, WR, CB. The Cowboys added Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders in free agency, but running back remains a high priority. This is a deep draft class at the position, which means they might not have to lock into one at No. 12 overall.

Dallas is also looking for a No. 2 receiver opposite CeeDee Lamb and has issues at cornerback, even with the trade for 2022 first-round pick Kaiir Elam. Trevon Diggs' availability for the start of the season is in question following left knee surgery, and nickel corner Jourdan Lewis signed with Jacksonville. -- Todd Archer

How would this affect both the offense and defense?
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How in the world do you not think of NT as a top need? I'm starting to think you really are Jerry. Acquiring more skill position players w/o fixing the DLine would simply be stupid at this point, especially since we have a chance to build a DLine for the ages w/ this draft. If we once again waste it, it will simply further cement Jerry as the worst GM the NFL has ever seen.
 
kskboys said:
Bills lost because their kicker missed a 43 yd fg as time expired. And because the Giants played nutlock D. Giants held the prolific Bills O to a mere 19 pts and Kelly to only 212 yds passing.
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Not only that, but without a near shutdown defense, and a huge game changing defensive play with under 3 minutes left in the game, the Giants don't ever get to the SB. They lose to the 49ers in the championship game. That game was all but over.
 
kskboys said:
Bills lost because their kicker missed a 43 yd fg as time expired. And because the Giants played nutlock D. Giants held the prolific Bills O to a mere 19 pts and Kelly to only 212 yds passing.
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The Giants offense kept the Bills Offense off the field for a huge chunk of the second half.
The Giant's ball control gets a huge chunk of credit for the win.
I give credit to the O and D

The need for a last second field goal is a reflection of the previous 60 minutes of play.
It's not why they lost
 
SquidwardTentacles said:
The Giants offense kept the Bills Offense off the field for a huge chunk of the second half.
The Giant's ball control gets a huge chunk of credit for the win.

The need for a last second field goal is a reflection of the previous 60 minutes of play.
It's not why they lost
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No matter how you frame it, it's not all about O. The Giants were there in the first place because of D, and they won it because of D. A strong D w/ a ball control O is the best way to a super bowl, and there's no close 2nd. Stats bear it out, watching the game bears it out. Giants were 17th on O and 2nd on D.
 
CCBoy said:
Now what has evolved in a positive direction as well?

This is a new season and at least this fan doesn't first need to put down this year's team to start out!

Top three needs: Top three needs: RB, WR, CB. The Cowboys added Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders in free agency, but running back remains a high priority. This is a deep draft class at the position, which means they might not have to lock into one at No. 12 overall.

Dallas is also looking for a No. 2 receiver opposite CeeDee Lamb and has issues at cornerback, even with the trade for 2022 first-round pick Kaiir Elam. Trevon Diggs' availability for the start of the season is in question following left knee surgery, and nickel corner Jourdan Lewis signed with Jacksonville. -- Todd Archer

How would this affect both the offense and defense?
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I am stating what is as of our last snap, not what will be.
The future will play out, but it is speculative at this point.

Schottie did a good job given the cards he had in his hand.
 
morasp said:
Holes on both sides. Pick sixes and three and outs don't help the defense either.
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I don't think cowboys had pick sixes in 24, I think 3 in 2022...

yeah it doesn't help, but its not the main cause of defensive issues. this defense has had trouble stopping the run for a long time
 
SquidwardTentacles said:
Ball control is a big part of winning
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yes and that comes with ability to run the ball bette. assuming you complete 65% of passes, then 35% aren't being completed and you end up off the field, specially for a pass heavy team....

effective run game or having a mahomes.... both help.... which is easier to get?
 
kskboys said:
How in the world do you not think of NT as a top need? I'm starting to think you really are Jerry. Acquiring more skill position players w/o fixing the DLine would simply be stupid at this point, especially since we have a chance to build a DLine for the ages w/ this draft. If we once again waste it, it will simply further cement Jerry as the worst GM the NFL has ever seen.
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Top three and there was NO projection by yourself on how those three would affect both the offense and defense. You doubt all and insult without even projecting even if you place all on a single DT. If taken with a fourth pick, will that help. You don't know, you prefer to insult and put down.

Take up a real discussion and not just your own agenda.

Going extreme as you have, why not just make the first three picks all defensive line picks and be through with it?
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
yes and that comes with ability to run the ball bette. assuming you complete 65% of passes, then 35% aren't being completed and you end up off the field, specially for a pass heavy team....

effective run game or having a mahomes.... both help.... which is easier to get?
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The year the Cowboys drafted both Elliott and Prescott the Cowboys won 13 and were cheated out of the NFC Championship that would have been against a team they had beaten in the regular season.
 
CCBoy said:
The year the Cowboys drafted both Elliott and Prescott the Cowboys won 13 and were cheated out of the NFC Championship that would have been against a team they had beaten in the regular season.
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coaching dude. That was the main reason we lost.
 
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