Draft priorty

[Pokes12]

Much talk about drafting a WR with are first pick. If we select a WR at 12, he better be an absolute stud. We need a another WR but what we’re paying Lamb huge $$, can we really afford it? I’m convinced the regardelss of need we should be selecting the best available player, rds 1-3.
Im hoping for of DT, OT, MLB or perhaps a Stud CB. We need to run and stop the run first and foremost.
Or if we trade down get more picks then draft WR, Edge LB, or RB in round 1
Discuss

If Tyler Warren is available we should not pass on him like we did Randy Moss. Generational talent.

WE ARE!!

 

[shabazz]

This team needs a RB or WR first round no exceptions

For one we need weapons and for 2 the fans need some excitement

This team is boring

The RB is definitely the sexy pick.

Jerry could have had the top RB in the league (Henry) for 2-3 years for only 8 million a year and used this draft to address other glaring needs......but he's a schmuck

 

[Chasing6]

If Tyler Warren is available we should not pass on him like we did Randy Moss. Generational talent.

WE ARE!!

And if he is there, we should likely have significant trade value.

 

[shabazz]

If Sanders is still on the board at 11, I will be doing some back flips.
In this draft take all the darts you can get, and if anyone is willing to give up some value picks to trade to 12 than take it.
We can only hope that Shedeur slips that far.

If we drafted Shadeur it's not hyperbole to say that this forum would explode with both joy and a teary meltdown.

And it would be delicious

 

[thunderpimp91]

Look I don't discuss things with you too much anymore that's why I have you on ignore but let me entertain you for a minute..


pick out these names that were either a trade that costumes trade value and they had to pay the money or just got these guys in free agency show me all their numbers just last year and a guy like Debo Samuels showed me there his numbers the last three years have been in decline but hey he's a name and since they didn't get a name he must be better than Tobert no and I am using Brandon Cooks because he was here the last two years and Tolbert at worst matched his numbers except for his numbers are on the rise why Brandon Cook was on the decline and another team just paid this man $8 million that's why I'm bringing his name up and you'll never understand that the New Orleans Saints think he's better than Tolbert and I'm saying he's not so it makes sense to bring his name into it he's essentially right now as of today replacing Brandon Cooks..

look I'll do those two but go ahead i'm talking about look at the free ages most of which were all either hurt or in steady decline or a couple of trades that were made these dudes were not who they used to be where their names on the back of the jerseys and nobody knows if they'll be those people just like Demo Samuel's and Michael Gallup both go Washington you think somehow that's going to be a couple of weapons for them or is it two dudes on the decline been injured and probably won't do much I mean I either debate somebody's going to end up being right.. I mean you can make the argument that Cooper couple bounced back but I'm saying last year and we gotta go by only what's happened recently they were very similar players and we got ours cheaper a lot cheaper and he's probably going to be our third that's the point....

Yes, Tolbert on rookie deal HUGE discount and goes as nobody to you all Not bad comp for last year .. Twenty and you know Tolbert has improved every year he's still young and cheap.. In my opinion the stats that count he's got more touchdowns and more yards per catch... Do we want to add in the fact that he had to play with Cooper Rush most of the year?
Cooper Kupp signed a 3 year, $45,000,000 contract with the Seattle Seahawks, including $12,000,000 signing bonus, $17,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $15,000,000.
Kupp

Tolbert makes 1M.. 14M less
2024 regular season stats

• REC. Tied-37th.
• YDS. 710. 49th.
• TD. Tied-35th.
• AVG. 10.6. 150+

Tolbert

2024 regular season stats

• REC. Tied-80th.
• YDS. 610. Tied-64th.
• TD. Tied-21st.
• AVG. 12.4. 113th.

I completely agree that there is a valid argument that Tolbert at his salary is a better option than a guy like Kupp or Deebo, possibly even Cooks at theirs. I just dont think that makes Tolbert worthy of being in #2wr consideration, nor do I agree that their stats are similar and here is why....

Kupp - 67 catches - 710 yards - 6td
Deebo - 51 catches - 670 yards- 3td
Tolbert - 49 catches - 610 yards - 3td

All pretty similar until we realize...

Kupp - 12 games
Deebo - 15 games
Tolbert - 17 games

Kupp - 357 routes ran
Deebo - 420 routes ran
Tolbert - 553 routes ran (19th most in all of football last year)


Tolbert did less with more than those two guys who are both in decline. We can argue the QB effect had something to do with that but he still only averaged 44 yards per game with Dak under center.

Really Tolbert's numbers are more in line with a guy like Michael Gallup his last year in Dallas...

Gallup 2023 - 34 catches 418 yards 2td on 394 routes. This comes out to 1.06 Yards/route and 12.3 yards per catch
Tolbert 2024 - 49 catches 610 yards 3td on 553 routes. This comes out to 1.10 yards/route and 12.4 yards per catch.

The only real difference between those two seasons is the amount of playing time. I don't think we can look at a players counting stats alone and say that they had a good or bad year. Tolbert had the 19th most opportunities in the league this past season and only ended up 64th in yardage. Thats #1WR snaps at #3WR production.

Bottom line is that the Cowboys need to upgrade the WR room. They have Lamb with a group of decent rotational guys after him. Turpin is a fine big play threat. Similar to Campbell to a lesser extent. Turpin is fine running a north/south route tree. Mingo is physically gifted without much to show. They still need a legitimate starter.

 

[jaybird]

If the Cowboys go WR at 12 he will have a rookie contract so yes they can afford it.

Yes true, but most likely when that rookie contract is up we most likely will have to part with one of them

 

[thunderpimp91]

Yes true, but most likely when that rookie contract is up we most likely will have to part with one of them

5 years from now lamb will be 31 years old and we will probably be ready to move on or have him take less money.

 

[Jarv]

Trade down and get and extra 2nd and maybe a 3rd or 4th too depending on how far down we go in the 1st with the trade down.

Then BPA between DT/WR and CB for rounds 1 and 2 seconds. Three players in the first 2 rounds would make me happy, if they are smart and draft well.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Bottom line is we have too many needs.

That's what happens when you pay 1 WR too much money. Is 3 $15M WR's, better than a $35M, and 2 $5M WR's?

Of course we have too many needs and it will obviously not be done in this one, but we can keep investing in an oline every single year just to never play them and for what. We have at least 12 olinemen that this owner thinks are great so I don't see us drafting one at the top.

This team always has too many needs and it will as long as it relies in the draft for top talent . We need a #2 WR and we didn't see Jerry sign one in free agency (although I would still draft one in first 2 rounds even if we did) so without that, we are just throwing the season.

RB by committee may work, but we have to have at least one to make that work.

All the WR visits lately guarantee they are looking at WR at #12 and they should. Only way I wouldn't is if Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter by some miracle would fall to 12.

I know RB Jeanty won't be there, but if he did I would break this thought and draft him no question then grab wr higgens in the 2nd

 

[fivetwos]

If we drafted Shadeur it's not hyperbole to say that this forum would explode with both joy and a teary meltdown.

And it would be delicious

I think that was about Sanders being there at 12 and someone wanting to come up for him. That’s an ideal scenario IMO.

Dallas isnt taking him. No chance.

 

[75boyz]

In a DT rich draft this year the team should invest 2 picks in the first 4 rounds as to address the major ongoing run stop weakness.
There are also plenty of superior RBs to the current RB room of Sanders and Williams.
That's where I would hope another early pick would go.

They don't need another TE regardless and "maybe" an OT but I'd personally like to see what 5 Riley assigns as his starters first so I guess it could wait.

WR and corner would be the next positional needs imo, but only after DT and RB.

jmo

 

[BrassCowboy]

There will be no value at 12 to draft a RB. If we trade back we are gambling for value. If not there in round 1, it may also not be there at 44. So will we gamble and wait like we did last year?

I seriously doubt we draft 2 RB's, after picking up 2 in FA.

Well first of all, I like davonte Williams for his pass blocking and catching skills, don't value his running skills so he can be used in 3rd down passing situations. Miles Sanders is a camp body IMO, and the experiment with Deuce I believe is over as well.
Ok, now as far as drafting goes:
I don't necessarily prescribe to Mel Kipers "no RB in round 1" rule that he believes in. Now
I would definitely draft Jeanty at 12 no matter what but he won't be there. I wouldn't draft any other rb in rd 1, but I wouldn't "hate it" if the cowboys drafted O Hampton but I would try and move down a few slots to do that.
That is why we grab a much much much needed WR at 12, TMac or Golden
There will be quite a few great RBs at 44 so no excuse to panic. Henderson, Judkins, cailab Johnson will all be there or at least one of them if we waited to third, RB Tuten or RJ Harvey will be there. I would get Henderson in the 2nd. In the third, I would grab DT Collins or CB Parrish

 

[Chasing6]

Of course we have too many needs and it will obviously not be done in this one, but we can keep investing in an oline every single year just to never play them and for what. We have at least 12 olinemen that this owner thinks are great so I don't see us drafting one at the top.

This team always has too many needs and it will as long as it relies in the draft for top talent . We need a #2 WR and we didn't see Jerry sign one in free agency (although I would still draft one in first 2 rounds even if we did) so without that, we are just throwing the season.

RB by committee may work, but we have to have at least one to make that work.

All the WR visits lately guarantee they are looking at WR at #12 and they should. Only way I wouldn't is if Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter by some miracle would fall to 12.

I know RB Jeanty won't be there, but if he did I would break this thought and draft him no question then grab wr higgens in the 2nd

But GM Jethro traded for 1, with in mind for the future.

At this point I would be happy with a number 3 WR.

 

[BrassCowboy]

In a DT rich draft this year the team should invest 2 picks in the first 4 rounds as to address the major ongoing run stop weakness.
There are also plenty of superior RBs to the current RB room of Sanders and Williams.
That's where I would hope another early pick would go.

They don't need another TE regardless and "maybe" an OT but I'd personally like to see what 5 Riley assigns as his starters first so I guess it could wait.

WR and corner would be the next positional needs imo, but only after DT and RB.

jmo

WR?

 

[Canada180]

I agree…unfortunately it may not be a great year to trade up.

IMO, the top of this draft isn’t great and it may be a challenge to find a willing trade partner. I don’t see a big difference between likely players available at #12 v. further down, especially considering the cost to move up.

Good points...but Im willing to bet a hanburger on Tuesday that Sanders will be there . Theres our trade down target. Or maybe Jeanty

 

[75boyz]

WR?

I ain't as sold on the McMillan kid as some.
I'd prefer Egbuka in the 2nd if he was still there and then I'd wrestle with taking a WR over a RB.

 

[plymkr]

I certainly hope they don't take a receiver or running back at 12, personally I'd rather an offensive Tackle, defensive tackle or Defensive end at 12. Preferably, I'd like to trade back this year an acquire more picks

My dream scenario is Sanders keeps dropping in draft stock and falls to us or falls out of the top ten and a QB hungry team trades with us to get him. And we get a lot in that trade. We’ll forget Sanders, any player dropping to us that another team wants starts dropping and we trade down. What I want out of this draft is: OL, WR, RB, DL, not necessarily in that order. I’m not sold on our Gs or Ts. I’m confident in Beebe, Tyler but Steele, Guyton and Hofman doesn’t fill me with confidence.

I’m not too high on drafting a WR at 12 because Dak needs time to throw it.

Writing this makes me really understand how many holes we have in this roster. We need trench work, RB, WR2, and defensive tackles and edge rushers.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Usually i am a trenches guy. But we've been using a lot of high picks lately on DT, DE, OL. Time to balance things out a bit. Rounds 1-3 WR, RB, CB in no particular order just the highest on the board when the pick comes up.

I'd be with you there except they haven't been hitting on those pics... Both lines are very much still an issue.

 

[Aven8]

Bottom line is we have too many needs.

That's what happens when you pay 1 WR too much money. Is 3 $15M WR's, better than a $35M, and 2 $5M WR's?

No that’s what happens when you pay a gimp coming off an ACL big money and are still paying him in retirement and now for Wash……

 

[big dog cowboy]

We need someone to take triple coverage off of CeeDee who is better than:

Tolbert
Brooks
Fluornoy
Turp

If either of these guys get significant targets/snaps, the Cowboys are in trouble IMO.

Mingo?