Free to stay at Guard

Glad to see the baseless love affair with PFF "stats" is still in full effect.
 
TheRomoSexual said:
Um, care to point out where?
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They are quoted several times in this thread.

Amazing how they are viewed as "fact" when the OL evaluation process is subjective to an outsider.

Fact is, they are pretty much irrelevant to use, either positively or negatively.

Nice to know, useless as a basis of fact.
 
pancakeman said:
If the evidence suggests he wasn't willing to unretire for guaranteed money, why would you expect him to come back for a worse deal?
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You're thinking of Brandon Moore.

Brian Waters is willing to come out, but Jerry wasn't willing to pay him what he wanted. Waters has taken care of his money.

Jerry might be willing to pay the freight if it's not guaranteed for the season. That has to be done after Week One.
 
Alexander said:
They are quoted several times in this thread.

Amazing how they are viewed as "fact" when the OL evaluation process is subjective to an outsider.

Fact is, they are pretty much irrelevant to use, either positively or negatively.

Nice to know, useless as a basis of fact.
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I haven't seen one person reference PFF's rankings. Someone accused me of using PFF's stats when I wasn't, and that's about it.
 
newlander said:
DuuuuuuuuuuuuDE...........please don't ever compare Free to Long again. Long is really put together: especially his hips, legs and middle core: just a specimen. Free? Not so much. This smacks of desperation and won't work long term: they should've drafted another olineman in the 2nd or 3rd round: didn't necessarily need Escobar or Williams
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Ding ding .... we have a winner.
 
RW Hitman said:
well then we better be looking for an OT in FA
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I agree with you Hitman but I don't think we have the money to bring in a better OT than we already have. Tackles cost a lot of money...even a decent one. Maybe we can get lucky like we seem to be able to do quite a bit and pick a diamond in the rough released by another team in the coming weeks.
 
Trueboysfan said:
I agree with you Hitman but I don't think we have the money to bring in a better OT than we already have. Tackles cost a lot of money...even a decent one. Maybe we can get lucky like we seem to be able to do quite a bit and pick a diamond in the rough released by another team in the coming weeks.
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I'm fairly certain he's referring to a swing tackle, and we have plenty of cap room to sign one.
 
Alexander said:
Glad to see the baseless love affair with PFF "stats" is still in full effect.
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Whether or not someone quotes that source does not mean it is a love affair by any stretch of the imagination.

Unless it does not jive with what ever argument you might want to make, than I guess it could be a raging love affair of epic proportions.
 
JackWagon said:
Ding ding .... we have a winner.
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While I agree in concept, the truth may be that there wasn't anything left of quality to draft.

I've read that the plan was to draft Pugh in the first round, and Frederick in the second, but when Pugh was taken by New York, Dallas grabbed Frederick early because they were afraid they'd get no one of starting caliber. I believe that.

So basically, they traded down and got Frederick and Williams. Escobar is an odd pick, but I don't think they liked the offensive and defensive linemen at that point. Plus, they want a tall tight end like Jimmy Graham, and they think Escobar could be that one day.
 
TheRomoSexual said:
I'm fairly certain he's referring to a swing tackle, and we have plenty of cap room to sign one.
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You think so RS? I know even good swing tackles are still expensive. How much cap room do we have? We still have players that need to be locked up.
 
erod said:
While I agree in concept, the truth may be that there wasn't anything left of quality to draft.

I've read that the plan was to draft Pugh in the first round, and Frederick in the second, but when Pugh was taken by New York, Dallas grabbed Frederick early because they were afraid they'd get no one of starting caliber. I believe that.

So basically, they traded down and got Frederick and Williams. Escobar is an odd pick, but I don't think they liked the offensive and defensive linemen at that point. Plus, they want a tall tight end like Jimmy Graham, and they think Escobar could be that one day.
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There are quality linemen throughout every draft. With the exception of maybe LT, I would guess most offensivel linemen aren't premium draft picks. That is where your scouting department makes their money.
 
CyberB0b said:
There are quality linemen throughout every draft. With the exception of maybe LT, I would guess most offensivel linemen aren't premium draft picks. That is where your scouting department makes their money.
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But with the new CBA, which doesn't pay first-rounders near as much, there were a TON of offensive lineman gone in the first round.

Guards and centers used to not go in the first round often because teams didn't want to overpay at those positions. Not anymore. It was a heavy offensive line first round this year.

It was picked through in terms of starters, which is why they jumped at Frederick. Sure, you can get good lineman still, but not day-one starters.
 
erod said:
But with the new CBA, which doesn't pay first-rounders near as much, there were a TON of offensive lineman gone in the first round.

Guards and centers used to not go in the first round often because teams didn't want to overpay at those positions. Not anymore. It was a heavy offensive line first round this year.

It was picked through in terms of starters, which is why they jumped at Frederick. Sure, you can get good lineman still, but not day-one starters.
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Can't say entirely agree with this because last year's draft certainly wasn't lineman heavy. I just think the 2013 draft had a dearth of value players at the " premium" positions.
 
TheRomoSexual said:
Can't say entirely agree with this because last year's draft certainly wasn't lineman heavy. I just think the 2013 draft had a dearth of value players at the " premium" positions.
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Sam Bradford signed for $72 million as the top pick. The next year, Cam Newton signed for $21 million. The CBA changed everything.

Teams don't like to pay big money to safeties, guards, centers, and tight ends. With the new CBA, they don't have to worry about it.
 
erod said:
Sam Bradford signed for $72 million as the top pick. The next year, Cam Newton signed for $21 million. The CBA changed everything.

Teams don't like to pay big money to safeties, guards, centers, and tight ends. With the new CBA, they don't have to worry about it.
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I don't think that's really true. Levitre just got a huge contract, as did Nicks the year before. As a whole, I don't think those guys ever got paid huge money before the CBA. The CBA made it more important to have good, deep drafts.
 
erod said:
While I agree in concept, the truth may be that there wasn't anything left of quality to draft.

I've read that the plan was to draft Pugh in the first round, and Frederick in the second, but when Pugh was taken by New York, Dallas grabbed Frederick early because they were afraid they'd get no one of starting caliber. I believe that.

So basically, they traded down and got Frederick and Williams. Escobar is an odd pick, but I don't think they liked the offensive and defensive linemen at that point. Plus, they want a tall tight end like Jimmy Graham, and they think Escobar could be that one day.
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that just tells me that jerry was trying to be over think his hand again and be "im smarter than everyone" and traded down for another pick ... when what he should have done was stand pat ... Draft Pugh in their slot .. then get frederick in the 2nd liked they planned ... instead you only got 1 pick in your whole draft that will be productive this season. Escobar will ride the pine cause Witten is a stud and Hanna is better than Escobar ... we cant coach up wide receivers ... so Williams is a wasted pick. I hate our drafting .. i really do. What he should havbe done was pick all O lineman and D lineman the whole draft.
 
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