ZMartin, ADonald and OBeckham

[Nightman]

These guys were the talk of the Zone last year. Great job guys. Martin was great for us, but Donald won DROY and Beckham won OROY. All 3 would have been great picks. I wanted to trade back if Manzeil fell and was a little disappointed when it didn't happen and we took Martin. But it takes 2 to make a trade and Martin turned out to be a real find.

So who are the guys this year??? I know 27 is a bit harder to predict than 16 but give it a try. I like the DE from UCLA, no chance on spelling his name without looking, but I'm sure I will learn it soon enough.

 

[AsthmaField]

I absolutely wanted Donald in Dallas. I had even said trade up to about the 10th pick or so to make sure he played in Dallas for Marinelli. I would have loved to see him in Big D. Marinelli would have worked wonders with that guy.

I also liked Martin but he was a distant 2nd to Donald. I'm happy now that he's in Dallas and he's even better than I thought he would be. Simply fantastic.

Odell Beckham I didn't spend much time looking at because I didn't think there was any way Dallas would go WR in round 1. I thought he'd be good but I honestly didn't study him enough to know more than that.

I still lament the loss of Donald to the Rams but I wouldn't trade Martin for him now.

Very happy with the outcome. More than anything I'm happy that the guys the Cowboys were interested in like Donald, Martin, and Shazier turned out to all be great players. It is just more evidence that whatever Dallas is doing in personnel is really working.

As far as this year, I really haven't had a lot of time to get many pet cats but I really like Kevin Johnson, CB Wake Forest a whole lot. Right now he's probably a 2nd rounder and I'd love for Dallas to get him there. However, much like Donald last year, I'm afraid he'll rise up into the first round with a strong combine. His intangibles are terrific and his ball skills and natural corner instincts are going to be a hot commodity in the NFL community. Plus his 6-1 height makes him just the type of long corner the NFL is wanting these days. Just watch him play. Natural cover corner, IMO.

Early guys I like are:

Michael Bennett, DT Ohio St.

Todd Gurley, RB Georgia. He is going to be a super star in this league.

La'el Collins, OT LSU would be the RT I'd target if he is there at 27 and I didn't go defense. He's a mauler with a bad attitude.

Denzel Perryman, MLB Miami is a monster at LB. I don't like drafting 43 ILB's in the first but I would have zero complaints if Dallas took him as the BPA at 27. He is that impressive.

Cameron Erving, OL Florida St. is such a terrific football player, I'd take him at 27 and plug him in wherever the line needed a starter. I love his game.

Bud Dupree and Nate Orchard are two DE's I'd be interested in at 27. I haven't watched them play enough, but I do like them at this early point.

 

[waving monkey]

I absolutely wanted Donald in Dallas. I had even said trade up to about the 10th pick or so to make sure he played in Dallas for Marinelli. I would have loved to see him in Big D. Marinelli would have worked wonders with that guy.

I also liked Martin but he was a distant 2nd to Donald. I'm happy now that he's in Dallas and he's even better than I thought he would be. Simply fantastic.

Odell Beckham I didn't spend much time looking at because I didn't think there was any way Dallas would go WR in round 1. I thought he'd be good but I honestly didn't study him enough to know more than that.

I still lament the loss of Donald to the Rams but I wouldn't trade Martin for him now.

Very happy with the outcome. More than anything I'm happy that the guys the Cowboys were interested in like Donald, Martin, and Shazier turned out to all be great players. It is just more evidence that whatever Dallas is doing in personnel is really working.

As far as this year, I really haven't had a lot of time to get many pet cats but I really like Kevin Johnson, CB Wake Forest a whole lot. Right now he's probably a 2nd rounder and I'd love for Dallas to get him there. However, much like Donald last year, I'm afraid he'll rise up into the first round with a strong combine. His intangibles are terrific and his ball skills and natural corner instincts are going to be a hot commodity in the NFL community. Plus his 6-1 height makes him just the type of long corner the NFL is wanting these days. Just watch him play. Natural cover corner, IMO.

Early guys I like are:

Michael Bennett, DT Ohio St.

Todd Gurley, RB Georgia. He is going to be a super star in this league.

La'el Collins, OT LSU would be the RT I'd target if he is there at 27 and I didn't go defense. He's a mauler with a bad attitude.

Denzel Perryman, MLB Miami is a monster at LB. I don't like drafting 43 ILB's in the first but I would have zero complaints if Dallas took him as the BPA at 27. He is that impressive.

Cameron Erving, OL Florida St. is such a terrific football player, I'd take him at 27 and plug him in wherever the line needed a starter. I love his game.

Bud Dupree and Nate Orchard are two DE's I'd be interested in at 27. I haven't watched them play enough, but I do like them at this early point.

I have the some sentiments about these players and Donald going before we could get him.
It has worked out fantastically for us anyway. Obeckham is going to terrors

 

[BermyStar]

Yeah as an LSU fan I was very upset to see Odell go to the Giants. I told everyone that would listen that he'd be the best WR of that class. Donald has lived up to what we all expected. At the end of the day though I'd still take Martin in hindsight because what the team has built on the Oline is simply beautiful.

This year in the first round I like Orchard and Dupree on the Dline and Peters CB.

 

[darthseinfeld]

We targeted Barr too and before his injury and Donald caught fire he was DROY frontrunner

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Malcom Brown

But , he pretty much nailed it.

I absolutely wanted Donald in Dallas. I had even said trade up to about the 10th pick or so to make sure he played in Dallas for Marinelli. I would have loved to see him in Big D. Marinelli would have worked wonders with that guy.

I also liked Martin but he was a distant 2nd to Donald. I'm happy now that he's in Dallas and he's even better than I thought he would be. Simply fantastic.

Odell Beckham I didn't spend much time looking at because I didn't think there was any way Dallas would go WR in round 1. I thought he'd be good but I honestly didn't study him enough to know more than that.

I still lament the loss of Donald to the Rams but I wouldn't trade Martin for him now.

Very happy with the outcome. More than anything I'm happy that the guys the Cowboys were interested in like Donald, Martin, and Shazier turned out to all be great players. It is just more evidence that whatever Dallas is doing in personnel is really working.

As far as this year, I really haven't had a lot of time to get many pet cats but I really like Kevin Johnson, CB Wake Forest a whole lot. Right now he's probably a 2nd rounder and I'd love for Dallas to get him there. However, much like Donald last year, I'm afraid he'll rise up into the first round with a strong combine. His intangibles are terrific and his ball skills and natural corner instincts are going to be a hot commodity in the NFL community. Plus his 6-1 height makes him just the type of long corner the NFL is wanting these days. Just watch him play. Natural cover corner, IMO.

Early guys I like are:

Michael Bennett, DT Ohio St.

Todd Gurley, RB Georgia. He is going to be a super star in this league.

La'el Collins, OT LSU would be the RT I'd target if he is there at 27 and I didn't go defense. He's a mauler with a bad attitude.

Denzel Perryman, MLB Miami is a monster at LB. I don't like drafting 43 ILB's in the first but I would have zero complaints if Dallas took him as the BPA at 27. He is that impressive.

Cameron Erving, OL Florida St. is such a terrific football player, I'd take him at 27 and plug him in wherever the line needed a starter. I love his game.

Bud Dupree and Nate Orchard are two DE's I'd be interested in at 27. I haven't watched them play enough, but I do like them at this early point.

 

[Nightman]

I absolutely wanted Donald in Dallas. I had even said trade up to about the 10th pick or so to make sure he played in Dallas for Marinelli. I would have loved to see him in Big D. Marinelli would have worked wonders with that guy.

I also liked Martin but he was a distant 2nd to Donald. I'm happy now that he's in Dallas and he's even better than I thought he would be. Simply fantastic.

Odell Beckham I didn't spend much time looking at because I didn't think there was any way Dallas would go WR in round 1. I thought he'd be good but I honestly didn't study him enough to know more than that.

I still lament the loss of Donald to the Rams but I wouldn't trade Martin for him now.

Very happy with the outcome. More than anything I'm happy that the guys the Cowboys were interested in like Donald, Martin, and Shazier turned out to all be great players. It is just more evidence that whatever Dallas is doing in personnel is really working.

As far as this year, I really haven't had a lot of time to get many pet cats but I really like Kevin Johnson, CB Wake Forest a whole lot. Right now he's probably a 2nd rounder and I'd love for Dallas to get him there. However, much like Donald last year, I'm afraid he'll rise up into the first round with a strong combine. His intangibles are terrific and his ball skills and natural corner instincts are going to be a hot commodity in the NFL community. Plus his 6-1 height makes him just the type of long corner the NFL is wanting these days. Just watch him play. Natural cover corner, IMO.

Early guys I like are:

Michael Bennett, DT Ohio St.

Todd Gurley, RB Georgia. He is going to be a super star in this league.

La'el Collins, OT LSU would be the RT I'd target if he is there at 27 and I didn't go defense. He's a mauler with a bad attitude.

Denzel Perryman, MLB Miami is a monster at LB. I don't like drafting 43 ILB's in the first but I would have zero complaints if Dallas took him as the BPA at 27. He is that impressive.

Cameron Erving, OL Florida St. is such a terrific football player, I'd take him at 27 and plug him in wherever the line needed a starter. I love his game.

Bud Dupree and Nate Orchard are two DE's I'd be interested in at 27. I haven't watched them play enough, but I do like them at this early point.

Great stuff. It was your analysis of Donald that had me pumped when he kept sliding. I never expected the Rams to take him with that DL.

I've heard that DE/DT is not as strong as last year, but I hope we get a good one early and sign one in FA

I would rather sign Murray and draft a RB later.

If those CBs are as good as you say, you can never go wrong there. Carr and Claiborne probably won't be here after this season.

 

[Hardline]

Erick Flowers will most likely not fall to 27 but having him book end that offensive line with Tyron Smith would be awesome.

 

[xwalker]

These guys were the talk of the Zone last year. Great job guys. Martin was great for us, but Donald won DROY and Beckham won OROY. All 3 would have been great picks. I wanted to trade back if Manzeil fell and was a little disappointed when it didn't happen and we took Martin. But it takes 2 to make a trade and Martin turned out to be a real find.

So who are the guys this year??? I know 27 is a bit harder to predict than 16 but give it a try. I like the DE from UCLA, no chance on spelling his name without looking, but I'm sure I will learn it soon enough.

If they stay at #27 my guess for top 5 possibilities:
OT Cameron Erving
OLB Nate Orchard
RB *Todd Gurley
DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa
DT Michael Bennett

 

[Nightman]

If they stay at #27 my guess for top 5 possibilities:
OT Cameron Erving
OLB Nate Orchard
RB *Todd Gurley
DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa
DT Michael Bennett

Thanks. I assume Orchard would be a DE.

Is there more value in trading back from 27 this year? I know that last year there were a ton of players all rated similarly from 25-40.

 

[AsthmaField]

Thanks. I assume Orchard would be a DE.

Is there more value in trading back from 27 this year? I know that last year there were a ton of players all rated similarly from 25-40.

I know you aren't asking me but at this early point, I'm not sure yet. I'm not a big fan of moving back out of a spot but I have kind of thought that I wouldn't mind if there just wasn't a guy they really liked at 27. Picking so late in the first, I kind of view it differently when it comes to moving back. if we were picking 10th, I'd say stick there and have a shot at a blue chip player... at 27 though, they will all be gone anyway and they might like someone just as much in the early second as they would at 27.

Still, if they fill some holes in free agency, the team should be able to just draft BAP and I think there will be someone there they like. Gurley and Gordon either could be there. Flowers or Collins are two RT's that I really like and there is a chance they fall. maybe Orchard or Dupree fall and they like them. Maybe CB kevin Johnson rises enough that the team likes him at 27.

I just think there will be a player at 27 they like enough to pick. However, it is still too early in the process to know right now IMO. It could be that they want the extra pick and move back.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I just think there will be a player at 27 they like enough to pick. However, it is still too early in the process to know right now IMO. It could be that they want the extra pick and move back.

There is always a bad team drafting with first 3 or 4 picks in the 2nd that is looking to trade up to make sure they get their guy. If we have a pool of players I could easily see us moving down.

 

[AsthmaField]

There is always a bad team drafting with first 3 or 4 picks in the 2nd that is looking to trade up to make sure they get their guy. If we have a pool of players I could easily see us moving down.

I agree. That could very easily happen and if it does, there might be someone Dallas likes just as much at the 35th pick as at the 27th.

 

[RS12]

I absolutely wanted Donald in Dallas. I had even said trade up to about the 10th pick or so to make sure he played in Dallas for Marinelli. I would have loved to see him in Big D. Marinelli would have worked wonders with that guy.

I also liked Martin but he was a distant 2nd to Donald. I'm happy now that he's in Dallas and he's even better than I thought he would be. Simply fantastic.

Odell Beckham I didn't spend much time looking at because I didn't think there was any way Dallas would go WR in round 1. I thought he'd be good but I honestly didn't study him enough to know more than that.

I still lament the loss of Donald to the Rams but I wouldn't trade Martin for him now.

Very happy with the outcome. More than anything I'm happy that the guys the Cowboys were interested in like Donald, Martin, and Shazier turned out to all be great players. It is just more evidence that whatever Dallas is doing in personnel is really working.

As far as this year, I really haven't had a lot of time to get many pet cats but I really like Kevin Johnson, CB Wake Forest a whole lot. Right now he's probably a 2nd rounder and I'd love for Dallas to get him there. However, much like Donald last year, I'm afraid he'll rise up into the first round with a strong combine. His intangibles are terrific and his ball skills and natural corner instincts are going to be a hot commodity in the NFL community. Plus his 6-1 height makes him just the type of long corner the NFL is wanting these days. Just watch him play. Natural cover corner, IMO.

Early guys I like are:

Michael Bennett, DT Ohio St.

Todd Gurley, RB Georgia. He is going to be a super star in this league.

La'el Collins, OT LSU would be the RT I'd target if he is there at 27 and I didn't go defense. He's a mauler with a bad attitude.

Denzel Perryman, MLB Miami is a monster at LB. I don't like drafting 43 ILB's in the first but I would have zero complaints if Dallas took him as the BPA at 27. He is that impressive.

Cameron Erving, OL Florida St. is such a terrific football player, I'd take him at 27 and plug him in wherever the line needed a starter. I love his game.

Bud Dupree and Nate Orchard are two DE's I'd be interested in at 27. I haven't watched them play enough, but I do like them at this early point.

Good list and I would not complain about any though I wonder how ready Gurley will be to start the year. Could maybe see a corner on the list too.

 

[RS12]

Erick Flowers will most likely not fall to 27 but having him book end that offensive line with Tyron Smith would be awesome.

Yeah read a few teams drafting higher than Dallas really like him. Shoring up the O Line is now a how priority for a lot teams.

 

[AsthmaField]

Good list and I would not complain about any though I wonder how ready Gurley will be to start the year. Could maybe see a corner on the list too.

Yeah, they could go corner for sure. For myself though, I'm not that impressed with any except for Kevin Johnson and I'm not sure Dallas will think he will be worth the 27th pick. I personally like his play but who knows if Dallas will agree with me. I know they'll like his character and intangibles. His personality would fit right in inside the hard working Dallas locker room. He also has the length they like in a corner, so maybe they will.

Still real early though.

 

[Nightman]

I agree. That could very easily happen and if it does, there might be someone Dallas likes just as much at the 35th pick as at the 27th.

You're right. It's easier to target blue chippers at 16 than 27.

But, I don't necessarily want to trade back just to get more picks. A few years ago when they were rebuilding the roster it was ok, but now we don't have as many holes and need some impact players.

 

[Woods]

If they stay at #27 my guess for top 5 possibilities:
OT Cameron Erving
OLB Nate Orchard
RB *Todd Gurley
DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa
DT Michael Bennett

I really like your short list. The only player that concerns me a bit is OO with his injury history. I would be especially happy with Orchard for sure, followed by C Erving (esp given his versatility on the OL).

 

[xwalker]

Thanks. I assume Orchard would be a DE.

Is there more value in trading back from 27 this year? I know that last year there were a ton of players all rated similarly from 25-40.

That's just how they have him listed on the CBS (NFLDS) site. He would be a DE here; although, they could consider using an undersized pass rusher in the Von Miller type role. The Broncos ran a 4-3 with Miller as an SLB that movedd to DE on obvious passing downs. Miller also rushed more often when lined up as a LB than most 4-3 LBs rush. The Cowboys did it a little bit with Kyle Wilber but he's just not that good of a pass rusher.

 

[xwalker]

I really like your short list. The only player that concerns me a bit is OO with his injury history. I would be especially happy with Orchard for sure, followed by C Erving (esp given his versatility on the OL).

Yes, OO's injury would have to check out. He did play a year after the surgery so I assume that he is 100%, but I'm sure an MRI would be required.

C. Erving is one of the players that I'm most confident will be a quality NFL player. He can literally play any position on the OL. He was a very good LT then moved to Center.

The problem with Gurley is if it appears that he can play early this season, then he likely goes higher. If he can't play this season, then it would be hard for the Cowboys to draft him considering that they are in a bit of a win now mode.