We won't be players in FA again in my opinion

[gjkoeppen]

That's false, they have 50 million if they want to do the obvious extensions like Tyron, Fred, etc. Even if you Franchise Tag DLaw and resign Irving, Hitchens and Martin you still have something like 25 - 30 Million available. The question is whether you want the guys available at their market price.

I have no idea where you came up with 50 mil but you're way way way way off.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/dallas-cowboys/

At the top of this page it clearly states cap space 18.4 mil. You see at this time of year going into free agency you have to account for the top 51 contracts for 2018. You're another one that I'm so glad is not the Cowboys capologist or GM.
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[gjkoeppen]

Its not about the cash, its about the cap hit. Tyron Smith signed a 97MM Extension with a 10MM bonus and his first year cap hit was only 5 Million because of the way the bonus was spread out.

You need to look at things A LOT CLOSER! When Smith signed his big contract yes they for cap purposes spread the bonus over the life of the contract but starting in 2017 the LEAST GUARANTEED SALARY is 10 mil or over.

https://overthecap.com/player/tyron-smith/663

 

[Typhus]

I have no idea where you came up with 50 mil but you're way way way way off.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/dallas-cowboys/

At the top of this page it clearly states cap space 18.4 mil. You see at this time of year going into free agency you have to account for the top 51 contracts for 2018. You're another one that I'm so glad is not the Cowboys capologist or GM.
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You do understand the dynamics of restructuring a contract?

 

[Sydla]

I'm so glad you're not the capologist or GM for the Cowboys. I don't know what planet you're thinking about but now on the planet earth you show me a starting offensive lineman who has been both a Pro Bowler and an All Pro EVERY year he's been in the league that will sign for less than 10 mil a season. There are FOUR guards that in 2017 made more than 10 mil and only 1 of them was once a All Pro and the other 3 haven't even been to the pro Bowl. Being a capologist or GM isn't in the cards for you.
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You must be from the DC board. I suspect you will quickly become one of the board's biggest nitwits.

Let's educate you on the cap and how cap figures don't necessarily reflect what one makes in a given season.

For the 2018 cap, Zach Martin actually counts against the cap for $9.3MM given the Cowboys picked up his option year.

In giving him a new deal, they could structure the contract so as to back load the cap hits in later years when they will have even more flexibility. Therefore, it's quite possible the Cowboys will actually save against the cap by resigning Martin. Here's an example:

- Kevin Zeitler signed a 5 year, $60MM contract. Yes, it averages $12MM per year but in the first year of the contract, is cap hit was only $8.4MM. His cap hit grew to over $14MM in subsequent years.

- Trai Turner signed a 4 year, $45MM contract extension. Yes, it averages out to over $11MM per year but in the first year of his contract in 2017, the cap hit to the Panthers will only be $7.7MM.

The Raiders, however, signed both their guards and front loaded the deals giving them lower cap hits in later years. It all depends on the structure of the contract and how you account for bonuses and guaranteed money.

Here's some advice. As a new poster, you might want to tone down the insults and over the top babble and actually educate yourself before you essentially start calling people stupid.

 

[theebs]

probably not.

Signing a 1 technique and either whitehead/hitchens at linebacker could potentially really help the team.

we have a ton of draft picks though and I would hate to see them just throw them away and at the same time they can't bring that many players in here this summer.

 

[Montanalo]

Roy Williams was traded to Us by Detroit, cost Us a 1st and 3rd if I recall correctly, as well as a huge contract.

You're absolutely correct. Roy Williams was a trade, not, strictly speaking, a FA signing. Thanks for the correction.

 

[gjkoeppen]

You do understand the dynamics of restructuring a contract?

Yes and just about everyone understands that restructuring contracts just eventually adds dead money to the cap when the player eventually gets released. Very few players ever see the end of their restructured contract..
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[Sydla]

You need to look at things A LOT CLOSER! When Smith signed his big contract yes they for cap purposes spread the bonus over the life of the contract but starting in 2017 the LEAST GUARANTEED SALARY is 10 mil or over.

https://overthecap.com/player/tyron-smith/663

That's the point. The Cowboys can do the same thing with Martin.

If the Cowboys do nothing at all with Martin, he's a 9.3MM cap hit for 2018. However, if they give him a long term extension, they can actually structure the deal like we did with Smith, or Cleveland did with Zeitler, or Carolina did with Turner, to essentially push a great percentage of the cap hit into later years.

So basic math shows you, if they are on the hook for $9.3MM in cap space today but sign Martin tomorrow and structure the deal to push the cap hit out into future years and he only counts as a $7.5MM cap hit this year, for example, they'd actually pick up $1.8MM in cap space, not lose cap space for 2018.

 

[Kaiser]

You do understand the dynamics of restructuring a contract?

No, but he makes up for it in volume and posting repeatedly.

 

[Typhus]

You must be from the DC board. I suspect you will quickly become one of the board's biggest nitwits.

Let's educate you on the cap and how cap figures don't necessarily reflect what one makes in a given season.

For the 2018 cap, Zach Martin actually counts against the cap for $9.3MM given the Cowboys picked up his option year.

In giving him a new deal, they could structure the contract so as to back load the cap hits in later years when they will have even more flexibility. Therefore, it's quite possible the Cowboys will actually save against the cap by resigning Martin. Here's an example:

- Kevin Zeitler signed a 5 year, $60MM contract. Yes, it averages $12MM per year but in the first year of the contract, is cap hit was only $8.4MM. His cap hit grew to over $14MM in subsequent years.

- Trai Turner signed a 4 year, $45MM contract extension. Yes, it averages out to over $11MM per year but in the first year of his contract in 2017, the cap hit to the Panthers will only be $7.7MM.

The Raiders, however, signed both their guards and front loaded the deals giving them lower cap hits in later years. It all depends on the structure of the contract and how you account for bonuses and guaranteed money.

Here's some advice. As a new poster, you might want to tone down the insults and over the top babble and actually educate yourself before you essentially start calling people stupid.

You have far more patience than I do..

 

[Kaiser]

Yes and just about everyone understands that restructuring contracts just eventually adds dead money to the cap when the player eventually gets released. Very few players ever see the end of their restructured contract..
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Actually what "everyone understands" is that deferring cap hits into future years where the overall cap is lot bigger is a better move. They also understand that almost every team in the NFL pushes money into future years because there is every reason to do so.

 

[cern]

You do understand the dynamics of restructuring a contract?

can you say dead money?

 

[Sydla]

can you say dead money?

Sure.

Dead Money.

I just said it. What do I get?

 

[Typhus]

can you say dead money?

Dead Money

Is a falsity, any team can maneuverer their cap to create as much money as they need.
The difference is, if you feel that its the right time to do so.
Nothing wrong with proper cap management, but the teams that succeed know when to strike while the irons hot.
I wont pretend to be a cap expert, but without even looking, I would bet that Cleveland has a ton of cap space...lol

 

[gjkoeppen]

That's the point. The Cowboys can do the same thing with Martin.

If the Cowboys do nothing at all with Martin, he's a 9.3MM cap hit for 2018. However, if they give him a long term extension, they can actually structure the deal like we did with Smith, or Cleveland did with Zeitler, or Carolina did with Turner, to essentially push a great percentage of the cap hit into later years.

So basic math shows you, if they are on the hook for $9.3MM in cap space today but sign Martin tomorrow and structure the deal to push the cap hit out into future years and he only counts as a $7.5MM cap hit this year, for example, they'd actually pick up $1.8MM in cap space, not lose cap space for 2018.

Even if you're number are right, which they're not, what makes you think Martin will sign a deal that pays him much less than market value when by signing as a free agent with another team he would get market value?

 

[JustChip]

I know it was asked already, but what is our cap space looking like?

Here's a great site... https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/dallas-cowboys

 

[cern]

Even if you're number are right, which they're not, what makes you think Martin will sign a deal that pays him much less than market value when by signing as a free agent with another team he would get market value?

some still believe in the fairy tale of "cowboy friendly" deals. dez didn't give us one. DeMarco murray didn't either. zack won't and d.lawrence won't. many posters here are very cavalier as they berate a player for leaving over a measley 10-15 million for a few years. but those posters can only dream about that kind of money. kudos to them as fans..................................but.

 

[Sydla]

Even if you're number are right, which they're not, what makes you think Martin will sign a deal that pays him much less than market value when by signing as a free agent with another team he would get market value?

He wouldn't be paid less than market value. What he's "paid" isn't the same as what a cap hit is in a particular year.

How are you not getting this? Cap hit year to year is not the same as what he's actually been paid.

Further, he's already on the books for $9.3MM this year. So even if they sign him and make the cap hit in Year 1, $11MM, they are only using up an additional $1.7MM in cap space. Not a full $11MM.

In other words, Martin will have very little effect on our cap in 2018 as it currently stands.

Oh and my "numbers" are right from the website you keep linking to.

 

[Aven8]

It looked to me that in 2017, he put his inconsistencies behind him and was consistently a force to reckon with. Although he was repeatedly susceptible to the trap game against the Eagles, I think that was more the result of playcalling and Marinelli's schemes.



I'm not risking losing him over a $1 million cost differential. But that's me.

Stash! I barely recognized you with your new duds! Did you lose a bet or something? Or is that Butthead in your avatar?

 

[Sydla]

some still believe in the fairy tale of "cowboy friendly" deals. dez didn't give us one. DeMarco murray didn't either. zack won't and d.lawrence won't. many posters here are very cavalier as they berate a player for leaving over a measley 10-15 million over a few years. but those posters can only dream about that kind of money. kudos to them as fans..................................but.

You guys really need to educate yourselves on this. It's embarrassing now.

Martin doesn't have to sign a "cowboys friendly" discounted deal for the Cowboys to get some cap relief from him in 2018.