The insanity of this FO

[Cowboys22]

Holding empty wallets? You 3 Super Bowls with Jerry at the helm, how many other teams have the same within Jerry's time. You got more than anyone except New England in the same time frame.

I was talking about since he destroyed the dynasty and has made nothing but bad decisions since. Keep paying for the rollercoaster ride that never reaches the top if you want. I quit putting extra dollars in Jerry’s pocket about 6 years ago. I can’t do anything about the dollars that find their way to him through Ways I can’t really control but I haven’t spent a dime on anything Cowboys related since then.

 

[Rockport]

For the record, this defense - despite the "dumpster fire" - has given up exactly zero points thus far in the preseason. An "inconvenient truth" to be sure for those trying to claim that this is some awful defense if they don't give up the farm for Earl Thomas. But the truth all the same.

I think they gave up a FG. That's enough for some people here.

 

[Stash]

I think they gave up a FG. That's enough for some people here.

I don't think so. I think I've read that the starters have pitched a shutout. But if you find anything definitive that says otherwise, let me know.

 

[Number1]

Conventional wisdom in the NFL says the absolute best time to compete and win titles is with a good QB on a rookie contract. We have that. This year and next. This is the time to strike. Yet Jerry and son are content to with the status quo. Content to roll out scrubs at safety instead of spending the $. The money saved on Dez’s contract pays for Earl. Earl makes this defense a top 5 unit. Who cares that we give up a third. A third rounder is what got us Chaz Green. Spend the damn money.

JJ is JJ, he's has made horrid decisions quite often, but he'd spend his last dime to get to a SB

they just flipped a third of the roster.and half of the O game day roster - that's not stat quo

R3 picks and $10m in cap space are hard to come by

what makes you think make Earl the one click solution to a SB?

 

[Stash]

I think they gave up a FG. That's enough for some people here.

This goes into great detail, but it supports my statement of 0 points allowed:

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...t-which-defenders-will-make-the-53-man-roster

 

[OmerV]

It's even dumb that he thinks they have scramble drill and the wr just stand and watch. ...lol these

loll - this is true too. There is no question every receiver is taught when plays break down to find an open area and/or work back to the QB.

 

[IrishAnto]

Haha championships before the Superbowl era haha

So you’ve nothing!

 

[blueblood70]

Conventional wisdom in the NFL says the absolute best time to compete and win titles is with a good QB on a rookie contract. We have that. This year and next. This is the time to strike. Yet Jerry and son are content to with the status quo. Content to roll out scrubs at safety instead of spending the $. The money saved on Dez’s contract pays for Earl. Earl makes this defense a top 5 unit. Who cares that we give up a third. A third rounder is what got us Chaz Green. Spend the damn money.

when you product your ownership, ceo, scout, and or GM contract via the actual NFL..ill take this more serious.. sure they are purposely tanking, not signing sure things, blowing the cap on flyers, and all those things..right they just decided to be mediocre and you could have done better..had it not been for zekes suspension and the rash of injuries we would have been in the playoffs and not one and done.. we would have built on that 2016 campaign.. sure they are perfect but those things were hard to overcome..have the rams lose gurly, Donald, and Talib and say their kicker and best olinemen for long stretches this year and find out how they get along..

 

[IrishAnto]

Whatever, you still do not get it.
Down years, I said until Bill came in. Set the team back on track.
Wade was having a good team, then lost it. And it has been 8 years of process since. To me it is more on the coaching with some bumbling by the FO those years.
But theses last 3 or 4 years, removing the injury plagued season and last year of the Goodell stupidity it has been the coaching more than others stuff.

Yes they should address certain things, missed on others. But many teams do it. It’s part of the business.
Some times teams hit a streak where it goes right as well.

What matters most are post season wins and SB’s.
That’s where the good organisations make their reputations.

We’re no longer good thanks to our GM and
and his COO.
That’s a fact.
Even a HOF coach could’nt win a playoff game with this organisation.

 

[Rockport]

This goes into great detail, but it supports my statement of 0 points allowed:

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...t-which-defenders-will-make-the-53-man-roster

No biggie

 

[odog422]

They most certainly would be getting gouged paying that salary. And here are several reasons why:

1. He's making an average of $10 million a year under his current contract, that's plenty
2. Do you think he will somehow become a better player at age 29 than he was under that last deal?
3. Why should the Cowboys set the high end market for the safety position when the salaries league wide for the position have fallen off a cliff?
4. Do you seriously think sending the Seahawks a premium pick for the obligation to do that is a sound move, capable of the necessary "reward"?

Of course not, because like the rest of the "Earl at all costs crowd", the facts of what's happening mean you don't have a leg to stand on. If the defense was struggling in the same preseason you now want to disregard, I guarantee you that you would be banging the drum saying "we have to get Earl Thomas!" After all, they're doing great and you're still saying it.

In order:

1. That was then this is now. Top 3 safety in the league, no one gets a player for cheaper then their last contract unless that player has fallen off significantly. It’s the cost of business, not getting gouged. Two premium picks plus salary is getting gouged.
2. No, but he’s still arguably the best free safety in the league.
3. Who says they’re setting the market? Whose comparable to Thomas?
4. I said from the start I thought it was well worth it.

No need for hyperbole, I’m not “Earl at all costs.” I said based on what I know, it’s worthwhile. I also said I don’t use how we look in preseason “whether we look great or horrible” as to what we will do when the games matter.

The truth is, I really believe we are fundamentally flawed as an organization the way we are set up, and, among other things, essentially operate without the presence of a real HC. So I look to what I view as opportunities to stack the cards in our favor as much as possible for when the games matter most.

 

[OmerV]

You said signing Thomas would prevent them from signing players from other teams or own guys. I explained why it wouldn’t. Why they would sign Thomas is obvious. So even though they still haven’t signed an “expensive” free agent, and your Watkins example backs up my point because they could’ve had him if they spent more, Thomas’ signing wouldn’t short circuit their signing other players.

Ok so you concede I was right about him not being too expensive then, across the board. Cool. I addressed the draft pick question in my initial post, i.e., second round pick versus best at his position in the league arguably. No decision - it’s what may be vs what is.

You are off base on context, content and conclusions.

The context was you saying giving up a 2nd rounder for Thomas was like using a 2nd rounder in the draft on a player who may be less likely to become as good. My response was to say that you aren't talking apples to apples because there is a pay element with Thomas that doesn't apply to a rookie draft pick.

As for content, I said it would make it more difficult to sign others. and the undeniable reality is there is a limit to how many big contracts any team can give out. The more spent on one player, the less is available for others. That's not even a question. A salary cap sets a budget, and that's how budgets work.

As for conclusions, you really had to make a laughable stretch to decide the fact that the team pursued Watkins but wouldn't pay whatever it takes to get him means they were unwilling to pay a big contract. It does not because regardless of whatever the Cowboys cut off point was, it would have been a big contract, had they signed him, and they were willing. They just weren't willing to go quite as high KC. The fact that you think it is a negative that they weren't willing to go to a ridiculously stupid level to sign him is even more laughable. Being willing to pay a big contract does not dictate a team has to be willing to pay a ridiculous contract.

And I did not concede that Thomas was too expensive across the board, because the expense isn't just in salary or just in the draft pick, and I clearly said the Cowboys felt like both the contract and a 2nd round draft pick is too expensive. I agree with that as well.
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[Mannix]

Worried about spending a 2nd on an All Pro, but spent a 1st on a bust at LB. Yes, you heard me right....bust. Where is the logic there?

 

[OmerV]

Worried about spending a 2nd on an All Pro, but spent a 1st on a bust at LB. Yes, you heard me right....bust. Where is the logic there?

The flaw in logic is entirely on you because (1) you are calling a LB a bust when he is only part way through his first training camp, and (2) because for your comment to make sense it would have to mean the Cowboys intentionally drafted a guy they knew would be a bust, which clearly they did not.

 

[Stash]

In order:

1. That was then this is now. Top 3 safety in the league, no one gets a player for cheaper then their last contract unless that player has fallen off significantly. It’s the cost of business, not getting gouged. Two premium picks plus salary is getting gouged.

It's absolutely getting gouged. The safety market has fallen off a cliff. Teams are signing starters for less than $2 million a year in salary. Most of the notables had to wait well into training camp to even find jobs. To set the high market at $13 million a year is ridiculous in itself, much less giving up a 2nd round pick to do it.

2. No, but he’s still arguably the best free safety in the league.

I won't argue that, but he's not better than he was and therefore shouldn't make more money. $10 million a year is more than reasonable.

3. Who says they’re setting the market? Whose comparable to Thomas?

It's Thomas and Eric Berry, currently the highest paid safety at $13 million.

4. I said from the start I thought it was well worth it.

Then I totally disagree.

No need for hyperbole, I’m not “Earl at all costs.” I said based on what I know, it’s worthwhile. I also said I don’t use how we look in preseason “whether we look great or horrible” as to what we will do when the games matter.

There's no hyperbole if you're fine with sending the 2nd round pick AND making the guy the league's highest paid safety. That's getting gouged and it's the definition of "at all costs."

The truth is, I really believe we are fundamentally flawed as an organization the way we are set up, and, among other things, essentially operate without the presence of a real HC. So I look to what I view as opportunities to stack the cards in our favor as much as possible for when the games matter most.

As I said earlier, we could have a team of All Pros at every position, and the coaches could still screw it up. And If they do, then you just paid huge in cap space and draft equity for them to do it.

 

[xwalker]

If he has a good year I think he'll demand a good contract extension. But I don't think he gets to bypass the 4th year of his rookie contract. I still think he has to play that out.



I would imagine it wouldn't be that common. But it is a time period where you should have extra cap space. That will be the case for Dallas this year and next. We pretty much have a QB free of charge.

If during the offseason prior to the players 4th season, the team and player negotiate a new contract, the focus of negotiations is on the 5 year period starting with the players 5th season.

The team is not going to "give away" that 4th year of the rookie contract.

Once the basic numbers are agreed upon, then the actual contract is a 6 year deal starting with the player's 4th sesson.

The pay for season 4 could be identical to the original rookie contract or it could be any other number.

If the players receives a signing bonus immediately, then 1/5th of that will count against the 4th year cap.

The signing bonus could be delayed until the following March and then would count zero against year 4.

There will be a set amount of guaranteed money in the contract. Even if the bonus is delayed until the following March, the money is guaranteed. Other guarantees can be scheduled to be paid later.

The incentive for the player to sign early and not wait until the end of year 4 is that the guaranteed money is locked into place. A career ending injury in year 4 would still result in the player getting all guaranteed money.

A 2nd but much smaller incentive for the player is to get money immediately. For 1st round picks that have already made several million, it might not be a big issue; however, for a late round pick money immediately might be a significant incentive.

Scandrick screwed himself out of a few million dollars over his career because he wanted the money earlier than it was scheduled to be paid.

Scandrick is one of the only players I know of that took a paycut in order to get more money immediately. He did it a couple of times.

I'm sure other players have done what Scandrick did but he is the only one I know about.

 

[CCBoy]

Worried about spending a 2nd on an All Pro, but spent a 1st on a bust at LB. Yes, you heard me right....bust. Where is the logic there?

...wait, I listened...

 

[Flamma]

Ok xwalker, that's basically what I thought just based on other contracts I have looked at. The only thing I didn't know is how they handled the 4th year. But I was almost certain they weren't just going to negate it. Thanks for your reply.

 

[CCBoy]

What matters most are post season wins and SB’s.
That’s where the good organisations make their reputations.

We’re no longer good thanks to our GM and
and his COO.
That’s a fact.
Even a HOF coach could’nt win a playoff game with this organisation.

If a person's worth was always equal to a former trophy...then you are onto something. Manning still at a Super Bowl MVP level?

 

[Flamma]

Worried about spending a 2nd on an All Pro, but spent a 1st on a bust at LB. Yes, you heard me right....bust. Where is the logic there?

I don't think he's a bust quite yet, but I would give a second in a heartbeat for ET. I think our D is legit and he would be the perfect fit. In most cases probably better than our 2nd pick. We also have a lot of young talent at the moment and can afford to give that up.