To all those saying Dak Sucks

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Everybody knows this team was built to run the ball with Zeke - from personnel to coaching to the owner/gm.

Last night Zeke had zero ability to run the ball up the gut, none. Everything that went for more than a yard or three was outside.

Looney is improving, but he's no Frederick. Williams is improving, but he's no Leary. (Better than Chaz and the other scrubs they put there, though). Smith's mobility looks to be down from his back problems.

And Zeke isn't 100%, either, on most carries his takeoff from getting the ball wasn't smooth, he stumbled or had a "hitch in his get along", and that split second caused him to not break the long runs we're used to seeing. He went out of the game at least a half dozen times, he didn't used to do that.

To be fair Dak missed, as usually is the case, at least 3-4 easy throws, some of those he was under duress, but good quarterbacks block that out and make most of the easy throws.

The decision to punt in overtime was the usual dumb, too conservative, Garrett coaching. Even with those problems, with Zeke in there, just like on Dak's td throw, he's going to draw a lot of attention, seemed to me to be a sneak or outside bootleg opportunity for Dak, but apparently that wasn't even considered. Now we have to root for a Saints win, with the iggles and midgets losing, at least we're tied/ahead of them, and we've already beaten the midgets. First order of business in any season is to win the division, don't think it's going to take a 12-4 record to do that, 10-6 might do it.

Even with Dak's and the other problems, I do think it's too early to write off this team, as far as the playoffs go. A lot of the reasons for the loss last night was due to penalties and other mistakes by both the offense and defense. Those can be worked on. I have to look at this season as one of growth at the least, and re-building at the worst. I can't just watch expecting to end up 4-12 or such, I also can't expect 12-4 or 11-5, but it's only been 5 games, you never know what will happen in the weeks ahead.

As far as the end results of this season, I'd have to put the chances as:

SB - 1%
NFC Championship appearance - 5%
Division winner - 20%
Playoffs - 30%.

Or thereabouts. But that's the way I have to see it, not good odds but at least it's something to "hang my hat on"...
 

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Tebow QB'd a 3-7 team into the playoffs, beat the Steelers in the playoffs, , and then got railroaded out of the league.

He threw 10 passes in the playoff game he won, got blown out in the next one, and had a career completion percentage of less than 50%. He didn't get railroaded, he just sucked. Just like Dak has been playing for the last year.
 

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I can't do it anymore...i can't come on this board and see all of this lazy and useless analysis.

Every pass that isn't perfect is hyper anayzed and overly critiqued to being Dak's fault. Ooooohhhhhh....that ball to Austin requires him to raise his and and jump....and? Did you watch the Texans catching balls all over the place? Did you watch any other nfl games where guys are catching balls all over the place?

Newsflash....we have NO weapons. Who is our guy we are going to with any consistency on 3rd and 7? Who is beating coverage? Nobe of them do it. Not even Beasely.

A few points to ponder:
* we are a running team with a ton invested in the OL and RB. We were ineffective in the run game.
*Both interceptions hit the wrs in the hands.

*Dak Bashers....at this point in Romo's career...he was still carrying a clip board and didn't start his first game until a few more weeks.

It is a travesty how we have given this young qb nothing to work with. I fear we are ruining him with the crapshow we have surrounded him with.


LOL.....To all Dak-lovers we are NOT going to sacrifice our team for INEPT Dak....the sooner you understand this the better!!!
Dak STINKS!!!!!
 

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How is anyone even considering giving the 2nd int to anyone but Dak? He forced it in and the defender had their hand in their to knock it up...just like against Seattle.

I'd consider you're right, but we saw a couple of tipped balls by the Texans' receivers also, but the ball just fell out of the reach of the Dallas defenders, there's some luck in the ball being catchable by the Texans as well. Watson way overthrew in the end zone, the Texans get a td there, and the game is likely over.

Winning has a way of smoothing over, or ignoring, things like that.

Hopefully some of those balls will fall our way in the weeks to come....
 

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His defense won a playoff game.

Tebow was overall a bad QB, I am not going to dispute that.

But to be fair he did throw for 316 yards, 2 touchdowns, and a 125.6 rate that game. And the Broncos put up 29 on a top 5 defense that only gave up 14.2 points a game during that regular season. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile.
 

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One of the greatest myths of the NFL is if the WR can touch the ball he should be able to catch the ball.

Frankly it is flat out bull.

If a WR jumps to his pinnacle and can only get fingertips on the ball...it does not mean he can catch it. However when that happens and the ball bounces off and the defensive player catches it...that is not the WRs fault. That is the QBs fault for throwing it too stinking high. Especially when it is going to a smaller WR. It would be different if it was high and it was going to a WR who has a known ability to catch contested high catches. Not a smaller WR.

If a ball is thrown behind a WR and the WR just happens to be able to make a great move and turn around enough just to touch the ball but not catch it....that is not the WRs fault for not catching the ball, it is the QBs for throwing it behind a WR. The only exception is if the WR ran the wrong route. Other wise that is on the QB.

The current WRs on this team are not world beaters by any stretch of the imagination.
But with this Defense and this running game there have been many times when a WR, or two, have been open and Dak has flat out just missed them. There are times when Dak needs to step up into the pocket and make a good thrown, not try and do a spin move and try to move to the outside. There is a time when Dak needs to either make the decision to throw or just flat out take off and run. I understand the team not wanting him to run too many times to avoid injury but there are many times he could have gotten positive yards and in some cases first downs instead of throwing errant passes to WRs that result in a turn over.

Dak has got to get better PERIOD.

I guarantee you that the coaches think so, the WRs think so, the FO thinks so and if you ask Dak he himself would say he needs to get better.

This team right now is setup so all we need is a good bus driver QB to run the system and throw an occasional deep ball. We got the Defense, the run game and Oline (even if the oline is not as good as it once was). Now we just need a bus driver type QB (at worst) and this team can win more games. Right now Dak should have his licence taken away until he can improve.

He had a magical rookie season where they only ran a few plays with variations. How many times did we see jet sweeps or Dak run to one side of the field to hit the TE? We had an incredible Oline play and Running game and Dak was more apt to run it when needed. This offense has went downhill from that point. I don't know if he can just not handle the increase in plays or if he is just trying to be overly cautious and playing not to lose instead of playing to win.

Whatever reason he has not been the same. He achieved what seems to be the pinnacle too early and has went nowhere but down since that time.

This is like Rick Mirer..the golden boy from ND. Was drafted 2nd over all after Bledsoe. Had a great rookie year where he even earned Rookie or Co Rookie of the year. After that his career went down hill and was never the same.

Said this in another thread. Bravo
 

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Tebow was overall a bad QB, I am not going to dispute that.

But to be fair he did throw for 316 yards, 2 touchdowns, and a 125.6 rate that game. And the Broncos put up 29 on a top 5 defense that only gave up 14.2 points a game during that regular season. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile.

Ok a squirrel finds a nut once now and then .....how about Deers????

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This team finds more ways to lose than win. The comical part is we know how to win with this team and they just dont want to run dak. Why the heck not, he is not on some franchise qb contract.
 

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If my calculations are correct the Cowboys currently have the 7th overall pick in the draft.

A little sunshine on this gloomy day.

We are going to be soooo good next year. It already feels different.
 

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One of the greatest myths of the NFL is if the WR can touch the ball he should be able to catch the ball.

Frankly it is flat out bull.

If a WR jumps to his pinnacle and can only get fingertips on the ball...it does not mean he can catch it. However when that happens and the ball bounces off and the defensive player catches it...that is not the WRs fault. That is the QBs fault for throwing it too stinking high. Especially when it is going to a smaller WR. It would be different if it was high and it was going to a WR who has a known ability to catch contested high catches. Not a smaller WR.

If a ball is thrown behind a WR and the WR just happens to be able to make a great move and turn around enough just to touch the ball but not catch it....that is not the WRs fault for not catching the ball, it is the QBs for throwing it behind a WR. The only exception is if the WR ran the wrong route. Other wise that is on the QB.

The current WRs on this team are not world beaters by any stretch of the imagination.
But with this Defense and this running game there have been many times when a WR, or two, have been open and Dak has flat out just missed them. There are times when Dak needs to step up into the pocket and make a good thrown, not try and do a spin move and try to move to the outside. There is a time when Dak needs to either make the decision to throw or just flat out take off and run. I understand the team not wanting him to run too many times to avoid injury but there are many times he could have gotten positive yards and in some cases first downs instead of throwing errant passes to WRs that result in a turn over.

Dak has got to get better PERIOD.
Flat out disagree with you here. First I admit Dak is not a WORLD Beater QB, but he is good enough to win and has proven as much. Second every example you gave, I have seen OTHER WRs on other teams make those catches TIME and TIME again. Not every pass is going to be perfect in the NFL and as a matter of fact a lot more are going to be bad than you think. But Other team WRs catch bad throws....hell horrible throws all the time, why can't these receivers? I've seen other receivers catch balls with one hand, or with a defender draped all over them, or toe tapping on the side lines or catching balls that they have to lay out and stretch for. Is it too much to ask a Cowboy receiver to do the same???
And why can't any of these receivers get more than a step or two on their defender? Every freaking pass Dak has to throw had better be perfect, because these receivers aren't getting anywhere close to being open, let alone WIDE open. I saw Watson throw to wide open receivers all night....why can't dak get the same privilege? So NO Dak Prescott isn't going to put this team on his back and will them to a win like a Brees or Rodgers or Brady, but this team has done damn near a horrible job of giving him any skilled playmakers at the Wide out and TE positions to help him out, period!
 

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I can't do it anymore...i can't come on this board and see all of this lazy and useless analysis.

Every pass that isn't perfect is hyper anayzed and overly critiqued to being Dak's fault. Ooooohhhhhh....that ball to Austin requires him to raise his and and jump....and? Did you watch the Texans catching balls all over the place? Did you watch any other nfl games where guys are catching balls all over the place?

Newsflash....we have NO weapons. Who is our guy we are going to with any consistency on 3rd and 7? Who is beating coverage? Nobe of them do it. Not even Beasely.

A few points to ponder:
* we are a running team with a ton invested in the OL and RB. We were ineffective in the run game.
*Both interceptions hit the wrs in the hands.

*Dak Bashers....at this point in Romo's career...he was still carrying a clip board and didn't start his first game until a few more weeks.

It is a travesty how we have given this young qb nothing to work with. I fear we are ruining him with the crapshow we have surrounded him with.


Bottom line is he is just not good enough.

He's too mediocre.

I love Dak but we faced a Texans defense that can't stop the pass but we can't expose that weakness because we can't pass.

Dak Prescott limits the team.

He's an awesome guy and an awesome leader but he is mediocre as a QB.
 

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If my calculations are correct the Cowboys currently have the 7th overall pick in the draft.

A little sunshine on this gloomy day.

We are going to be soooo good next year. It already feels different.

Is the FO smart enough to pull off a trade to move up and grab a QB though?
 

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Tebow was overall a bad QB, I am not going to dispute that.

But to be fair he did throw for 316 yards, 2 touchdowns, and a 125.6 rate that game. And the Broncos put up 29 on a top 5 defense that only gave up 14.2 points a game during that regular season. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile.

So I guess that's what some here want - a playoff win or two, and the rest of the time losses.

:laugh:
 
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