Deion/Irvin NFC championship interference

[CowboyRoy]

Nothing is THAT important that you should have different rules depending on what time of the game it is.

Is a missed TD because of a blown call with 2:05 left in the game any less devastating than one that occurs 5 seconds later?

Yes it definitely is more devastating.

 

[CPanther95]

Yes it definitely is more devastating.

So you must not have been phased at all by the Dez "catch" . There was well over 4 minutes left in that game. No biggie.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So you must not have been phased at all by the Dez "catch" . There was well over 4 minutes left in that game. No biggie.

Dez catch was reviewed.

 

[CPanther95]

Dez catch was reviewed.

Regardless, feeling like you lost out on aTD, must not have been a big deal to you.

You're trying to claim that getting screwed out of a TD with 2 minutes left is "definitely more devastating" than getting screwed out of a TD with 2 minutes and 5 seconds left.

If that's true for you, you are in an extreme minority.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Regardless, feeling like you lost out on aTD, must not have been a big deal to you.

You're trying to claim that getting screwed out of a TD with 2 minutes left is "definitely more devastating" than getting screwed out of a TD with 2 minutes and 5 seconds left.

If that's true for you, you are in an extreme minority.

Are you getting mad because I dont agree with you? You cant review all these plays all game long so you have to draw the line somewhere. 5 minutes, 2 minutes, take your pick.

Losing a TD is always bad, but its worse when its on the last drive or last part of the game. Certainly you can understand the concept of "no time left" or "last chance to win"?

 

[xwalker]

That's still an impartial (hopefully) 3rd party - an official - that is either making a call, or a no call. It might cause some later thrown flags or a delay in picking up a flag, but is essentially the same thing we have now. Probably much improved.

Still not even close to the can of worms you open if you allow the teams to ask for a flag on replay of a play where a flag wasn't thrown.

Teams only have the 2 challenges.

Does it matter how they use them?

The SkyJudge could make teams less likely to challenge because if the SkyJudge didn't "challenge" the on-field call (or non call), the replay is likely to coincide with the SkyJudge.

The NFL has all of the technology in place with replay officials in a central location. Despite the technology and people in place, they put extreme and archaic limitations on how they can use the high-def video and multiple camera views.

 

[CPanther95]

Are you getting mad because I dont agree with you? You cant review all these plays all game long so you have to draw the line somewhere. 5 minutes, 2 minutes, take your pick.

Losing a TD is always bad, but its worse when its on the last drive or last part of the game. Certainly you can understand the concept of "no time left" or "last chance to win"?

No mad at all.

I just don't believe in "drawing the line" anywhere. If something is right, or just, in the last 2 minutes, then you should incorporate it for the whole game. If you can't, don't do it at all.

All you are doing is placating people due to some recent injustice and leaving the same problem on the books to occur down the road when something else happens just on the other side of the new line that was drawn.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No mad at all.

I just don't believe in "drawing the line" anywhere. If something is right, or just, in the last 2 minutes, then you should incorporate it for the whole game. If you can't, don't do it at all.

All you are doing is placating people due to some recent injustice and leaving the same problem on the books to occur down the road when something else happens just on the other side of the new line that was drawn.

Ive heard that opinion before. Personally, I hate to see a team like the Saints lose because a bunch of morons missed a call in the game winning drive. A whole season gone up in flames because of one play at the end of the game.

I also dont want to see every semi PI play reviewed all game long. So for me the compromise is the last 5 or 2 minutes of the game where it most affects the game.

 

[CPanther95]

Teams only have the 2 challenges.

Does it matter how they use them?

The SkyJudge could make teams less likely to challenge because if the SkyJudge didn't "challenge" the on-field call (or non call), the replay is likely to coincide with the SkyJudge.

The NFL has all of the technology in place with replay officials in a central location. Despite the technology and people in place, they put extreme and archaic limitations on how they can use the high-def video and multiple camera views.

I don't have any problem with what you're describing as the "Sky Judge". I'd support anything that helps them call a more accurate game.

.. as long as they utilize it for the whole game, not just for some arbitrary period at the end of the game - as if those points are somehow more valuable.

 

[cern]

Only two corners could play with Irvin and Deion wasn’t one of them. Aeneas Williams and Bobby Taylor. That’s about it.

Big, strong body. And he knew how to use it to screen out defenders. Best slant receiver ever.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Big, strong body. And he knew how to use it to screen out defenders. Best slant receiver ever.

This, remember the time against the skins when we went for it every 4th down in JJ first year and Troy to Irvin on those 4th downs were slant and big Mike blocking out Darrell Green.

 

[kskboys]

1. Fire the official that ignored that blatant trash right in front of him. There is absolutely no excuse for that non call.
2. Determine exactly why he chose to ignore that call.
3. Put every official in the NFL on notice that their job is on the line if anything like this ever occurs again.
4. I kinda like the sky judge idea.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Only two corners could play with Irvin and Deion wasn’t one of them. Aeneas Williams and Bobby Taylor. That’s about it.

Hated both and youre right. Aeneas used to eat Irvins lunch. Drove me nuts.

 

[TheHerd]

Adding an extra official into the mix - even off field - isn't even remotely similar to allowing teams to call for a review for no calls. That's entirely possible.

Why force the teams to ask for a review? Just have a ref always watching and on blatant miases, a correction can be made. Even in the best of circumstances the red in the field might have a bad angle, for instance, and another better view can fix blatant errors. I agree that it needs to be only very very obvious misses though.

 

[TheHerd]

Love Michael. A beast.

But if he had 80 catches, probably 20 of them were from him pushing off. Don't blame him at all, because if they don't call it then you should use it.
And yes, Deion did interfere there. I've seen a bunch of no calls like that this year that are baffling.
Far worse was the Saints no call though. Can't even dream up a worse interference than just blasting the guy and making it completely impossible to catch it before the ball even gets there.

Michael learned the pushoff from the best, Jerry Rice. They were both masters at using that little influence in the cut to get separation.

 

[OmerV]

Ive heard that opinion before. Personally, I hate to see a team like the Saints lose because a bunch of morons missed a call in the game winning drive. A whole season gone up in flames because of one play at the end of the game.

I also dont want to see every semi PI play reviewed all game long. So for me the compromise is the last 5 or 2 minutes of the game where it most affects the game.

I understand what your thinking is - to find a way to get some relief on missed calls without having to take up time the whole game doing it - but does it really most affect the game the last few minutes, or is it just more noticable the last few minutes? What I mean is, if that same missed call had happened earlier in the game, how do we know reversing it to the right call might not have changed the trajectory of the game altogether? For example, it could be in that situation the Saints would have gotten on a roll, or the Rams would have lost a little steam, and the game may not have even been close at the end. And what if the play had occurred with 2:02 left in the game? Is it really more vital than if it had occurred with 1:57 left in the game?

The other thing to consider, and I mentioned this earlier, is if the opport7nity to review would be applied to called pass interferences that shouldn’t have been called, which also happens. To me it’s not fair if the chance to reverse is limited to getting it right for the offense and doesn’t provide the same opportipunity to get it right for the defense. It can’t be a one sided opportunity.

 

[CPanther95]

Why force the teams to ask for a review? Just have a ref always watching and on blatant miases, a correction can be made. Even in the best of circumstances the red in the field might have a bad angle, for instance, and another better view can fix blatant errors. I agree that it needs to be only very very obvious misses though.

I consider an eye in the sky just a ref with better vision. He can watch (or rewatch) whatever he wants and throw any flags he sees fit. Just do it all game and any flags "thrown" or picked up have to be before the next snap.

The conspiracy theorist in me would prefer that it be an actual on-site official, as a named part of the officiating crew - not a system handled at NFL HQ.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's logistically impossible to fairly allow non-calls to be reviewed.

That’s an interesting perspective I think I’m leaning to support .

I also think the networks should stop showing instant replays too unless the play is under review or the game is over.

 

[Diehardblues]

I consider an eye in the sky just a ref with better vision. He can watch (or rewatch) whatever he wants and throw any flags he sees fit. Just do it all game and any flags "thrown" or picked up have to be before the next snap.

The conspiracy theorist in me would prefer that it be an actual on-site official, as a named part of the officiating crew - not a system handled at NFL HQ.

Yep. I like how the Alliance is handling it. This new league is a great place to try new innovations for the NFL to take into consideration.

 

[CPanther95]

That’s an interesting perspective I think I’m leaning to support .

I also think the networks should stop showing instant replays too unless the play is under review or the game is over.

Just to clarify, I'm talking about allowing a team to call for a review on a play and throwing flags for any non-calls.

They have the technology to review all plays in real time and flag, or pick up, any blatant errors. That would allow the whole game to be consistently called. It may be consistently bad, but it would be consistent .