Why does an athlete need $30m instead of $20m?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Quite frankly there is little risk once you're in the NFL owners club (the main reason there is a salary cap).
Just look at the Boys!
Jerry has made a pig's ear out of the football side of things for nearly a quarter of a century but still makes a shed load of money.
Where else could your main product be so bad for so long and you still make millions?

But he risked everything to do it. Literally, everything he had. That is the reason he gets rewarded. Players didn't do that. That was all Jerry.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

C'mon AB(LOL)....... Starting franchise QBs

Notice what's going with Jammie Winston and Maritola ( ms). Both were high picks but both are also playing on their fifth-year option coz their perspective teams can't decide if they're the long term answer.

What's your point?

 

[erod]

Not another Dak thread - but someone please explain to me, from the perspective of a pro athlete, just what makes $30 million/year so badly necessary more than $20 million/year?

Yes, I know, more is always better. Yes I know, inflation. But there is virtually nothing you can want with $30 million/year that you couldn't have with $20 million/year, especially considering that there is no state income tax in Texas (unlike, say, an athlete in California or New York). You want big mansions? You got 'em - you can buy several every year. You want Lamborghinis, Ferraris, Porsches, Corvettes, Bugattis, Maseratis? You can buy a dozen each year. You want hordes of women flocking to you? Well, you would have had that with even just $2 million a year, let alone $20 million. You want to send your kids to private school, make sure your family is financially set for life? Again, you sure don't need an income of $30 million a year to do that.

This isn't even taking into account the fact that many such athletes are making plenty of money on the side through advertisements, endorsements, and other ancillary income.

Where I'm going with this is: The difference between $20 million/year and $30 million/year is virtually nil for a pro athlete - either way, he's positively bathing in wealth. But it makes a big difference to a pro team's salary cap, on the other hand. The $10 million difference could mean the difference between an NFL team being able to sign additional talent that could propel them over the top, or not being able to.

Is it simply about "Such-and-such an athlete got so-and-so much, so I want just as much?" Or, "I want to be THE highest paid so I can feel like No. 1?"

Because you would, too, if you were in their position.

They care about money way more than winning. Just like you would, too.

And it's not as much money as you think it is. Scottie Pippen blew through $100+ million. So did Antoine Walker, Allen Iverson, and dozens of other guys.

$20 million is not much money if you're living the high life. You'll blow through that in a couple of years.

 

[rags747]

This my friends is the unfortunate future of the USA. You didn’t build that mentality will take this country down, you have enough, you have too much, you need to share, everyone is equal. I begrudge no one their $$ and please DO NOT COUNT MY $$. Be the ef responsible and take care of business and please stop whining about the injustice of it all.

 

[Frozen700]

Why do the OWNERS grub for every extra penny they can get when they're already billionaires? It's funny how nobody asks that, but quibbles over players getting millions for accepting actual risk of harm on the field.

Owners have a lifetime to earn more money too, while players on average just have a few years.

In normal life if you ask a guy why he doesn't work for less and he'll tell you to pound sand. In that respect the mindset of the players is no different than anybody else.

Because if the cap. That's why. Get rid of the cap, and it's a whole different ball game

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is VERY easy to answer.

First is that's just how a free market economy works. People sell goods and services for whatever the market will bear.

Second is the respect of being paid the going rate. No matter the occupation or pay range, people want that. A janitor doesn't want to take $15k a year if the going rate is $20k. A teacher doesn't want to take $45k a year if the going rate is $55k. An engineer doesn't want to take $200k per year if the going rate for his particular field of engineering it $300k. Why would we expect that to be different with football players?

Third is that football players don't get to work at their profession until they are 65. I believe the average career of a football player is something like 3-4 years, and even the better players that are blessed with good health likely only last 10-12. Only a few are fortunate enough to go any longer than that. Accordingly, they have to make their money while they can, knowing that even if they are good players age will catch up and have them retired in their 30's, and injury could even force it in their early to mid 20's, and most will never have the ability to make big money doing anything else. In short, the money made in a short career has to support them the rest of their lives, and they are looking to live as well as they can for the rest of their lives.

And finally, it is a negotiation. The owners are going to force players to take as little money as they can get away with paying, and the only way to combat that and prevent salaries from sinking and shrinking over time is to try and force the owners to pay as much as possible. There is no fairness in the process if only one side is negotiating and the other side just gives in. If player's start giving in and just taking $20MM when they could get $30MM, the $20MM becomes the norm, and owners will start pushing for $15MM. Then what? do the players decide there isn't much difference between $20MM and $15MM and give in again, after which the owners start negotiating at $10MM?

But this fails to recognize talent and skill at any given craft. People who have a higher level of Talent and Skill are compensated for that. Those who do not have that level usually get paid less. There is no standard going rate for athletes because those two things, among others, create variance. Players don't negotiate down as you are giving example for above, as a rule. There is negotiation and it does result in more or less but players normally get paid what they are worth IMO. The problems is that we are treating salaries as if there is a template and players, regardless of skills or experience just automatically qualify to get whatever price the last highest paid guy got. I don't really agree with that type of rational.

JMO

 

[Dre11]

I'm sure that where you work you want as much as you can get. I'm sure you're not telling your employer that your salary is enough and there's not need for a raise or more...lol

 

[ShortRound]

You know what, I'll take 10 million dollars less cause I'm a nice guy. lol.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Not another Dak thread - but someone please explain to me, from the perspective of a pro athlete, just what makes $30 million/year so badly necessary more than $20 million/year?

Yes, I know, more is always better. Yes I know, inflation. But there is virtually nothing you can want with $30 million/year that you couldn't have with $20 million/year, especially considering that there is no state income tax in Texas (unlike, say, an athlete in California or New York). You want big mansions? You got 'em - you can buy several every year. You want Lamborghinis, Ferraris, Porsches, Corvettes, Bugattis, Maseratis? You can buy a dozen each year. You want hordes of women flocking to you? Well, you would have had that with even just $2 million a year, let alone $20 million. You want to send your kids to private school, make sure your family is financially set for life? Again, you sure don't need an income of $30 million a year to do that.

This isn't even taking into account the fact that many such athletes are making plenty of money on the side through advertisements, endorsements, and other ancillary income.

Where I'm going with this is: The difference between $20 million/year and $30 million/year is virtually nil for a pro athlete - either way, he's positively bathing in wealth. But it makes a big difference to a pro team's salary cap, on the other hand. The $10 million difference could mean the difference between an NFL team being able to sign additional talent that could propel them over the top, or not being able to.

Is it simply about "Such-and-such an athlete got so-and-so much, so I want just as much?" Or, "I want to be THE highest paid so I can feel like No. 1?"

Because the lemmings follow the market and because the govt., agent, manager take at least 40% of the total.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Committing to long term guaranteed contracts, for one. There is always risk in those kinds of deals if you are ownership.

I'd much rather risk money than my life. The worst ran NFL team is worth a billion dollars.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Agreed. I don't think Dak's value is where a lot of our fan base think it is, around the league. I mean, there is no doubt in my mind that he has significant value but not what we, as a fan base believe, I think. I will say this though, if he continues to develop, he could easily reach that type of value in a couple of seasons.

That's just my opinion.

Awww! You're nuts!!

 

[glimmerman]

Because you would, too, if you were in their position.

They care about money way more than winning. Just like you would, too.

And it's not as much money as you think it is. Scottie Pippen blew through $100+ million. So did Antoine Walker, Allen Iverson, and dozens of other guys.

$20 million is not much money if you're living the high life. You'll blow through that in a couple of years.

Blew through 100 million. That had to be a good time.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Not another Dak thread - but someone please explain to me, from the perspective of a pro athlete, just what makes $30 million/year so badly necessary more than $20 million/year?

Yes, I know, more is always better. Yes I know, inflation. But there is virtually nothing you can want with $30 million/year that you couldn't have with $20 million/year, especially considering that there is no state income tax in Texas (unlike, say, an athlete in California or New York). You want big mansions? You got 'em - you can buy several every year. You want Lamborghinis, Ferraris, Porsches, Corvettes, Bugattis, Maseratis? You can buy a dozen each year. You want hordes of women flocking to you? Well, you would have had that with even just $2 million a year, let alone $20 million. You want to send your kids to private school, make sure your family is financially set for life? Again, you sure don't need an income of $30 million a year to do that.

This isn't even taking into account the fact that many such athletes are making plenty of money on the side through advertisements, endorsements, and other ancillary income.

Where I'm going with this is: The difference between $20 million/year and $30 million/year is virtually nil for a pro athlete - either way, he's positively bathing in wealth. But it makes a big difference to a pro team's salary cap, on the other hand. The $10 million difference could mean the difference between an NFL team being able to sign additional talent that could propel them over the top, or not being able to.

Is it simply about "Such-and-such an athlete got so-and-so much, so I want just as much?" Or, "I want to be THE highest paid so I can feel like No. 1?"

If it were me:
Jerry: Gimme, you are my QB guy and I stand by you.
Me: I'm your guy, Jerry!
Jerry: we can only offer you $480,000 league minimum. And $485,00 in 2 years.
Me (crying in gratitude): I'll take it!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'd much rather risk money than my life. The worst ran NFL team is worth a billion dollars.

If players were actually risking their lives, that would be one thing but that's not the NFL anymore.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Awww! You're nuts!!

Possibly but there is one sure way to find out.

 

[America's Cowboy]

"more is always better"

That's what she said...... as in spending. lol

 

[JW82]

Yeah I could probably survive while making 2/3 of what I make now but good luck getting me to take 2/3’s of what the market allows.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Possibly but there is one sure way to find out.

A DANCE-OFF!!!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If players were actually risking their lives, that would be one thing but that's not the NFL anymore.

You don't think as big and physical as they are they aren't risking their lives? I mean you have to at least admit they are doing far more than sitting in a office signing checks though right?

 

[Section446]

Because they're good Capitalists? I'm all for them getting whatever they can, I just don't personally think he's worth $30 million.