Why does an athlete need $30m instead of $20m?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Then there is the reality that one injury could cause that $30MM/year to dry up and what they made up to that point is the last significant money most will ever earn. It’s not a perpetual thing - they only have a short time to make as much as they can.

A guy who is making that kind of contract is really going to see 8 to 10 years in the league barring a major injury. If you are making 30 mil a year for 4 years (and it's likely it's even more years then that) you figure that's 120 million, plus your rookie deal which is probably another couple of million, plus another 4 to 6 years of either making even more money or less money and less money is probably like 15 a year if you have really fallen down. That's anywhere from 60 to 90 million more. No matter how short that career is, that's way, way, way more money then the average NFL player sees and it's light years more then most regular fans on the day to day.

 

[Rayman70]

We will see? We have already seen. That is exactly how it works and that's been shown to us for many, many years. Just saying.....

deep breathes grasshoppa.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

WE are about to find out soon. The new CBA should be very interesting...and I know healthcare for all players is a huge sticking point. IT MAKES GOOD SENSE. In the long run, its saves all parties money...ie settlements etc... pain management is a biggie. I have been dealing with a multitude of issues,and let me tell you...if not for having minimal healthcare like I do..it would be a tragic thing to have to pay for out of pocket longterm. Its long overdue for the parties involved to make it happen ...and at a reasonable cost.

I guess it depends on what you see as reasonable. Either way, we are paying for it if it happens. Sorry, I have little sympathy for a person who is looking to have insurance I'm paying for because he has made the decision to go out and sacrifice his body, in exchange for money, all the while, I'm working every day of my life and paying my own way. I mean, it makes sense to who, how?

It doesn't make sense to me but that's just my opinion.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

deep breathes grasshoppa.

If that will make you feel better, give it a shot.

 

[Diehardblues]

Winning used to generate the revenue and fame. It can add to their celebrity status but they’ll still earn the money and have the fame.

We used to actually have guys who wanted to play for the Cowboys because of the playoff money and endorsements. Now playoff money is chump change. Less than a regular season game.

NFL has become the largest Sports Entertainment entity in the world. It’s not just a football league anymore with rich community leaders who formed or started a team for the enjoyment of the local fans. It’s big business.

 

[Rayman70]

I do know that any player w/ at least 3 years in the NFL automatically receives a minimum pension of over 20 grand/year. That's pretty durn generous, and a nice addendum to any career after football.

yes, I just read up on that too. Your right. But I think they should expand it to all. At least SOME level of healthcare for all. The league can afford it. Wasn't aware they had anykinda existing after football healthcare. I need to study up on that I guess. I think its pretty narrow...the scope of the coverages. I think the big thing players want,and rightfully so...is a viable pain management plan for llife after football. Most of these dudes are darn near handicapped by age 50..55. Either bone,soft tissue stuff..or mental. Its the best sport in the world IMO...but one must consider the heavy price and toll on ones body longterm. I would love to see that extra money that gets front loaded or backloaded into max deals, go toward healthcare for all..take a percentage of that money at least and devote it to a healthcare for all system. The money already exists to make this better.That way the player has arguably the best healthcare available on the planet. They deserve that for what they go thru. HECK..our military vets don't have healthcare that good. That's a story for another day. Thanks for the info ksk...

 

[Rayman70]

If that will make you feel better, give it a shot.

its all good. Glad we have some passion still left on this board. We have some damn good fans. Ready for the season right now ABQ...lol

 

[OmerV]

Honestly Omer, it's not about the money. It's really more about the percentage of cap and the fact that we haven't seen if we have a QB who can be the guy who transcends the lack of talent to put his team in the hunt for a Championship, consistently. We both know that if you are going to pay a QB the way they want to get paid, then you can't pay the rest of the guys you will need to build the best possible team. If you don't have that talent level, then you need a QB who can be the difference and I don't know that Dak is that guy. He has a lot of things going for him but he hasn't show that he is "That Guy". That's really the difference for me.

But it’s not a given that a $30MM contract automatically equates to a lack of talent. Just as salaries aren’t stagnant, neither is the salary cap.

And, of course, as more and more QBs contracts come Up, more and more will command the big dollars we are seeing. Every team is competing in the same environment. Someone got the first $20 million contract, and as other contracts came due, $20 million became something any team with a quality QB had to live with. The same will be the case with $30MM. When Mahomes contract comes up the number might shoot to $40MM

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

its all good. Glad we have some passion still left on this board. We have some damn good fans. Ready for the season right now ABQ...lol

Anything is better then day after day of arguing over Dak's contract. So yeah, me too!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But it’s not a given that a $30MM contract automatically equates to a lack of talent. Just as salaries aren’t stagnant, neither is the salary cap. And, of course, as more and more QBs contracts come Up, more and more will command the big dollars we are seeing. Every team is competing in the same environment. Someone got the first $20 million contract, and as other contracts came due, $20 million became something any team with a quality QB had to live with. The same will be the case with $30MM

I never said it was a given. In fact, the whole point of my posts are that it is just the opposite. It is not, nor should it ever be, a given. The 30 million is just the number you referenced in your earlier post. The number can be anything but the point is salient. It's stupid to just award contracts at a higher percentage of the last contract given, simply because your the next guy in line. That's dumb. I am not a believe in that line of thought at all.

 

[Diehardblues]

Ben, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Wilson aren’t just popular because they are nice guys or good players. They are all Super Bowl winning QBs.

Had Dak not stepped in and won a lot of games nobody would care about him now and there would be no consideration of a $30MM contract.

These guys are popular because fans perceive them as giving their team a chance to win

Yep... Fans are still enthralled in winning.

These guys provide them the perception their franchise is doing everything within their power to win while retaining popular icons. It’s good for business regardless.

 

[OmerV]

I never said it was a given. In fact, the whole point of my posts are that it is just the opposite. It is not, nor should it ever be, a given. The 30 million is just the number you referenced in your earlier post. The number can be anything but the point is salient. It's stupid to just award contracts at a higher percentage of the last contract given, simply because your the next guy in line. That's dumb. I am not a believe in that line of thought at all.

It isn't just because they are the next guy in line. Bortles was the next guy in line a few months ago and he didn't get that. He didn't even get to remain a starting QB. Same for Tannehill.

It's because teams are willing to pay that for guys they believe are quality NFL starters, and if the team the player has been on isn't willing to pay it, another team will be, and then the team he was on will be stuck scrambling for some semblance of an NFL starter.

It boils down to supply and demand. There just aren't enough quality NFL QBs to go around (at least 10 teams don't have one), so teams are willing to pay to ensure they get one.

 

[Diehardblues]

I suppose the average Shmoe can have a &10 or $15 deduction taken from their paycheck to cover “local redevelopment” without much distress. But the enormous benefit for the average shmuck is what?

Good point! Not much benefit unless if you’re in a business related.

How about those who are forced to move from their homes when a new stadium is built. Sure, they’re awarded a settlement but what if you don’t want to move. Have sentimental value if home has been in the family. Jerry was taken to court by several homeowners in Arlington who won their case.

What’s the advantage if your property tax increases and you’re not a fan. No benefits there. There’s always a price to be paid from these Bond elections.

Arlington hotels is last place I’d stay with all of the additional taxes charged between the Rangers and Cowboys. Yes, it’s good for the cities tax base because of the generated revenue from attendance, etc but there’s always a cost to the community.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It isn't just because they are the next guy in line. IBortles was the next guy in line a few months ago and he didn't get that.

It's because teams are willing to pay that for guys they believe are quality NFL starters, and if the team the player has been on isn't willing to pay it, another team will be, and then the team he was on will be stuck scrambling for some semblance of an NFL starter.

It boils down to supply and demand. There just aren't enough quality NFL QBs to go around (at least 10 teams don't have one), so teams are willing to pay to ensure they get one.

Like what teams? I mean, if we say that we pay this because there are other teams who are willing to pay a like amount, who do you see as those teams? I seriously don't see any teams who might be willing to put up that kind of money, this season.

I get the whole supply and demand argument but how does that play when supply favors the Cowboys? Then what? Do you still pay out 30 mil when you really don't have to?

 

[Diehardblues]

yes, I just read up on that too. Your right. But I think they should expand it to all. At least SOME level of healthcare for all. The league can afford it. Wasn't aware they had anykinda existing after football healthcare. I need to study up on that I guess. I think its pretty narrow...the scope of the coverages. I think the big thing players want,and rightfully so...is a viable pain management plan for llife after football. Most of these dudes are darn near handicapped by age 50..55. Either bone,soft tissue stuff..or mental. Its the best sport in the world IMO...but one must consider the heavy price and toll on ones body longterm. I would love to see that extra money that gets front loaded or backloaded into max deals, go toward healthcare for all..take a percentage of that money at least and devote it to a healthcare for all system. The money already exists to make this better.That way the player has arguably the best healthcare available on the planet. They deserve that for what they go thru. HECK..our military vets don't have healthcare that good. That's a story for another day. Thanks for the info ksk...

NFL pension still paid OJ his 25 grand a month while he was in prison. He had everything taken away from him in Civil suit but his NFL pension which also provides healthcare .

 

[GMO415]

Is this thread for real?....no seriously. Sheesh

 

[Diehardblues]

Like what teams? I mean, if we say that we pay this because there are other teams who are willing to pay a like amount, who do you see as those teams? I seriously don't see any teams who might be willing to put up that kind of money, this season.

I get the whole supply and demand argument but how does that play when supply favors the Cowboys? Then what? Do you still pay out 30 mil when you really don't have to?

Yea, Prescott’s value is arguably highest with the Cowboys.

I can’t imagine him even fetching what Foles received.

 

[ESisback]

Good point! Not much benefit unless if you’re in a business related.

How about those who are forced to move from their homes when a new stadium is built. Sure, they’re awarded a settlement but what if you don’t want to move. Have sentimental value if home has been in the family. Jerry was taken to court by several homeowners in Arlington who won their case.

What’s the advantage if your property tax increases and you’re not a fan. No benefits there. There’s always a price to be paid from these Bond elections.

Arlington hotels is last place I’d stay with all of the additional taxes charged between the Rangers and Cowboys. Yes, it’s good for the cities tax base because of the generated revenue from attendance, etc but there’s always a cost to the community.

Just like here in Pa., home of corrupt politicians. They’ll push a program that’ll “bring big money to the region”, which gets lots of high fives in the media and votes on Election Day, but no one seem to ‘follow the money’. There was a story recently how state officials had MILLIONS in reserve—just hidden away

 

[OmerV]

Like what teams? I mean, if we say that we pay this because there are other teams who are willing to pay a like amount, who do you see as those teams? I seriously don't see any teams who might be willing to put up that kind of money, this season.

I get the whole supply and demand argument but how does that play when supply favors the Cowboys? Then what? Do you still pay out 30 mil when you really don't have to?

Dak isn't a free agent this season. Plus, the goal isn't just to sign him 1 year, it's to sign him and keep him rather than have him exposed next year or the next, and that takes paying in the range of what is seen as a competitive market value price.

In any case, the Bucs clearly aren't happy with Winston as evidenced by the fact he got benched a few times last year, and I don't know when contracts are due, but the Bengals might want to move on from Dalton, and the Titans might want to move on from Mariota, and then who knows what injuries may occur or at what point any time might give up on their current player.

 

[Birdgang]

People like to say these guys careers are short so they deserve XXX amount. These guys make those choices ..... They have more chances then most people to have even more. These guys are not scooped up off the streets. They went to college ..... So if they chose to leave early or not take advantage of the opportunities offered its on them. Plenty of players did use them correctly .... we just don't hear about them because it does not make headlines. The money should be spread out more to all players. They could easily setup pay brackets by positions or even star status. They could be even based of things like winning superbowls or All-pro " not pro bowl " status x amount of times to give incentives to play harder.