Zeke's Fumble

[DogFace]

What did the actual rulebook say at the time? I would side-step too if I were you. We both know you're not going to actually try to explain the rulebook here. Challenge avoided. Tsk, tsk.

You’re “challenging me” to post the going to the ground rule that we’ve went over many times?

Why and what could that prove?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

The ball doesn't move? Lol. Look at the ball here. When the video starts, Zeke is coming forward with the point of the ball. At the point where the pause happens, the ball has turned to where you can actually see the laces in between their hand traffic. On Zeke's right arm, the ball goes from being pinned to his right forearm to being turned sideways (such that you can see the laces), plus Zeke's hand turns to where you can now see his pinkie finger versus not seeing it when the loop starts. What Apple did was get ahold of the other point of the ball and dug it out. It's physically impossible for the ball to be pinned to Zeke's forearm if someone's digging the other point of the ball out away from your arm. We know this because the ball DOES come out. Tell me again that the ball didn't move here. Hilarious.

Oh wow. That was definitely out. Did they show this during the broadcast?

I was certain he had maintained possession

 

[aikemirv]

And the left hand?

So you have to have 2 hands on the ball? You have NO point at all with the 2 hands crap - that is just stupid!

 

[MarcusRock]

You’re “challenging me” to post the going to the ground rule that we’ve went over many times?

Why and what could that prove?

You said there was nothing that showed Going to the Ground trumped the regular catch rule. I'm telling you if you look at the rules at the time it's pretty evident it does but feel free to show that it doesn't. I always post the rules and explain them. Here's your chance to do the same and prove you have a handle on them.

 

[MarcusRock]

Oh wow. That was definitely out. Did they show this during the broadcast?

I was certain he had maintained possession

Yes, it was a replay on the broadcast and I took this video from that.

 

[MarcusRock]

So you have to have 2 hands on the ball? You have NO point at all with the 2 hands crap - that is just stupid!

LOL. I'd side-step deny it too if I were you. Keeps you from being wrong.

 

[DogFace]

You said there was nothing that showed Going to the Ground trumped the regular catch rule. I'm telling you if you look at the rules at the time it's pretty evident it does but feel free to show that it doesn't. I always post the rules and explain them. Here's your chance to do the same and prove you have a handle on them.

It’s not evident and I just gave you an example Blandino used to differentiate the two. Which you still don’t understand and I’m not sure how I can help you
understand it.

I’m sorry. I’ve failed you.

Citing the rules that were thoroughly discussed here
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/i-d...d-the-dez-play-in-2014-merged.396223/page-137 seems like a waste of time.

 

[DogFace]

You said there was nothing that showed Going to the Ground trumped the regular catch rule. I'm telling you if you look at the rules at the time it's pretty evident it does but feel free to show that it doesn't. I always post the rules and explain them. Here's your chance to do the same and prove you have a handle on them.

My chance!!!!

This is my chance?!???!?!

Hard pass

 

[aria]

Kind of ironic that there was literally a 10+ page thread almost exactly one year ago today mocking the Saints fans for complaining about bad calls that may have cost them a game. Fast forward one year and a lot of the same people who were mocking the Saints fans are now crying about a potentially bad call that could have cost us the game.

I won’t point fingers but a lot of you were saying things like “have to be able overcome bad calls” and mocking them for whining about it. This is why you should shut your pie holes and stop acting like cry babies. We get good calls and we get bad calls, just like every other team. There’s a legitimate argument that one bad call last year could have resulted in us losing. It sucks and it’s inconsistent but this is why some of you shouldn’t be so quick to shed tears and cry foul. Hopefully the players have a stronger mentality than some of you and can move on.

 

[Sydla]

Oh wow. That was definitely out. Did they show this during the broadcast?

I was certain he had maintained possession

I am looking at this and his explanation and I still don't see the ball "move" in the sense that Elliott has lost the ball before his elbow hits.

The ball can "move" meaning Elliott's arm can move making it look like the ball is free, even with Apple grabbing at it, wihich is what it appears to be here.

To me that wasn't a fumble but the larger point is Elliott simply can't let that ball get stripped out in a situation like that.

 

[aikemirv]

LOL. I'd side-step deny it too if I were you. Keeps you from being wrong.

Side step two hands - what a laugh. It is not even worth commenting on it is so stupid!

 

[MarcusRock]

It’s not evident and I just gave you an example Blandino used to differentiate the two. Which you still don’t understand and I’m not sure how I can help you
understand it.

I’m sorry. I’ve failed you.

Citing the rules that were thoroughly discussed here
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/i-d...d-the-dez-play-in-2014-merged.396223/page-137 seems like a waste of time.

My chance!!!!

This is my chance?!???!?!

Hard pass

Yup. Pass. That was all you had to say from the beginning instead of inserting yourself in a discussion you had no intention or ability to carry through. Side-step complete.

 

[Runwildboys]

Kind of ironic that there was literally a 10+ page thread almost exactly one year ago today mocking the Saints fans for complaining about bad calls that may have cost them a game. Fast forward one year and a lot of the same people who were mocking the Saints fans are now crying about a potentially bad call that could have cost us the game.

I won’t point fingers but a lot of you were saying things like “have to be able overcome bad calls” and mocking them for whining about it. This is why you should shut your pie holes and stop acting like cry babies. We get good calls and we get bad calls, just like every other team. There’s a legitimate argument that one bad call last year could have resulted in us losing. It sucks and it’s inconsistent but this is why some of you shouldn’t be so quick to shed tears and cry foul. Hopefully the players have a stronger mentality than some of you and can move on.

I think it's gone beyond whether or not it cost the game, and is now simply a debate as to what constitutes a fumble.

 

[DogFace]

Yup. Pass. That was all you had to say from the beginning instead of inserting yourself in a discussion you had no intention or ability to carry through. Side-step complete.

The discussion was over long ago. That’s why back then you decided to be a keyboard tough guy and started insulting people. (I predict you’ll do that in this thread to others)

Yes. You’re right I can’t type the rule. Happy?

Thank you for your time!

Oh, here’s a reminder of the ending
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/i-d...d-the-dez-play-in-2014-merged.396223/page-144



We just disagree (which is fine and healthy )and I’m sure you’re good dude that, like most, doesn’t like being proven wrong.

 

[Whirlwin]

Zeke had six touchdowns last season along with six fumbles. Those are the ones he got back. He's starting to be a fumble machine. No I don't think it's that bad. But that 4th Down was a critical play

 

[Whirlwin]

There is a lot of things to blame Zeke for...not this...he did NOT fumble the ball. The refs know that there is ZERO chance of any repercussion from the league office for blowing a call against Dallas.....they probably feel that it will actually curry favor with them....The Goon sure as S doesn't care.

Make no mistake about it. He lost the football

 

[MarcusRock]

The discussion was over long ago. That’s why back then you decided to be a keyboard tough guy and started insulting people. (I predict you’ll do that in this thread to others)

Yes. You’re right I can’t type the rule. Happy?

Thank you for your time!

Oh, here’s a reminder of the ending
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/i-d...d-the-dez-play-in-2014-merged.396223/page-144
We just disagree (which is fine and healthy )and I’m sure you’re good dude that, like most, doesn’t like being proven wrong.

If the discussion was over long ago, why'd you try to get in the middle of this one only to stand down when challenged by someone more knowledgeable than you?

In other words, pass to save face. Understood.

 

[DogFace]

If the discussion was over long ago, why'd you try to get in the middle of this one only to stand down when challenged by someone more knowledgeable than you?

In other words, pass to save face. Understood.

Whatever makes you feel better, honey.

 

[Beast_from_East]

For some strange reason, the replay officials are seemingly going with the call on the field this year no matter what. I have seen blatant PI not even overturned, obvious replays showing guys down or out of bounds before fumbling and replay not overturning the call.

I dont get it, but it goes deeper than just Dallas, other teams are getting screwed also.

 

[The Dark Bishop]

I think most officials are trying to let plays play out and decide later after review.... I like this idea but sadly, you need absolute proof they are wrong to overturn the call. What may look like an elbow hitting the ground could be the defensive guy giving one last tug and preventing the elbow from landing in the first place.... Who can really tell it was the elbow hitting the ground that caused the fumble?.... Even if that is a question in your mind at anytime, it is not absolute and the call stands.... I applaud the effort but hate the outcome.... Not sure there is a more fair way to play it without whistling it dead and possibly screw over the other team if it was a turnover.... Hence why they allow the play to play out and try to fix by replay to begin with....Better to let it play out and be wrong than whistle it dead and miss out on a touchdown like what happened last week.....