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Rather than just going off the rails every week, I personally try to assess the team each week and see what we have, where we are and the pros and cons of our team. While wins tend to sanitize everything and losing tends to make everything look horrible, I try to not follow that roller coaster.

I have been calling out the lack of pressure on the QB since the beginning of the season along with what I perceived was putrid run defense. I have been told, by posters I respect, that we actually have good run defense. I’m sorry guys but I’m not buying it.

Our defense sucked eggs again yesterday. Piss poor QB pressure. Piss poor run defense, right up the gut, This should be a wake up call for the team in that area. As I see it we have piss poor defensive coaching, and no talent at all at DT. We need Woods back in a bad way and we need to go get a one year rental on a DT if we want to win anything or hope Woods can play every down,

Kellen Moore is a mixed bag. He is doing great being innovative and helping us score points. We need to keep him around, but he learned on the job yesterday. We should have just run the ball. We wanted to win in a flashy way, instead of just taking advantage of Green Bay’s porous run defense. Strategic error, big time.

I like Dak’s willingness to go down the field but he is quite simply getting far too greedy. Often times he had a man wide open on a shorter route that would have gone for a big gain, but he threw it long into double and triple coverage instead.

I think now we are getting a pretty good taste of why the Raiders were willing to trade a guy like Amari. Great talent, but the drops are maddening. The tide started against us with Amari’s deflection. Many will just see the success he had but his detriment to the team was also on display.

Linebackers aren’t playing well, but I think it is schematic rather than skill issues. On defense I would fire Marinelli and Richard today and hire an interim DC. Both of these guys are clowns. This defense has an abundance of talent and these clowns are wasting it.

We pay Zeke and the OL all that money and only run him a few times against one of the worst run defenses in the league. That’s on Garrett for letting that happen.

We lost the game because of turnovers but Green Bay held the entire game on our defense. It’s a continuous trend with Green Bay. Maybe we need to adopt that strategy. The long pass interference play against us was also complete BS and should have been overturned.

Speaking of turnovers, we never seem to get any. It’s an epidemic around here. It HAS to be coaching because it has lasted regardless of who we trot out there.

Gallup is the real deal. The team should give serious consideration to flipping Amari for a pick, drafting a WR and going with Gallup as the #1.

In spite of what many will say, because of the losses, I think Dak has shown that he has the ability to open it up and be a Tom Brady type of QB, he just needs to find a happy medium on his risk/reward analysis, as the pendulum has swung a little bit too far in the opposite direction.
 

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Rather than just going off the rails every week, I personally try to assess the team each week and see what we have, where we are and the pros and cons of our team. While wins tend to sanitize everything and losing tends to make everything look horrible, I try to not follow that roller coaster.

I have been calling out the lack of pressure on the QB since the beginning of the season along with what I perceived was putrid run defense. I have been told, by posters I respect, that we actually have good run defense. I’m sorry guys but I’m not buying it.

Our defense sucked eggs again yesterday. Piss poor QB pressure. Piss poor run defense, right up the gut, This should be a wake up call for the team in that area. As I see it we have piss poor defensive coaching, and no talent at all at DT. We need Woods back in a bad way and we need to go get a one year rental in a DT if we want to win anything or hope Woods can play every down,

Kellen Moore is a mixed bag. He is doing great being innovative and helping us score points. We need to keep him around, but he learned on the job yesterday. We should have just run the ball. We wanted to win in a flashy way, instead of just taking advantage of Green Bay’s porous run defense. Strategic error, big time.

I like Dak’s willingness to go down the field but he is quite simply getting far too greedy. Often times he had a man wide open on a shorter route that would have gone for a big gain, but he threw it long into double and triple coverage instead.

I think now we are getting a pretty good taste of why the Raiders were willing to trade a guy like Amari. Great talent, but the drops are maddening. The tide started against us with Amari’s deselection. Many will just see the success he had but his detriment to the team was also on display.

Linebackers aren’t playing well, but I think it is schematic rather than skill issues. On defense I would fire Marinelli and Richard today and hire an interim DC. Both of these guys are clowns. This defense has an abundance of talent and these clowns are wasting it.

We pay Zeke and the OL all that money and only run him a few times against one of the worst run defenses in the league. That’s on Garrett for letting that happen.

We lost the game because of turnovers but Green Bay held the entire game on our defense. It’s a continuous trend with Green Bay. Maybe we need to adopt that strategy. The long pass interference play against us was also complete BS and should have been overturned.

Speaking of turnovers, we never seem to get any. It’s an epidemic around here. It HAS to be coaching because it has lasted regardless of who we trot out there.

Gallup is the real deal. The team should give serious consideration to flipping Amari for a pick and drafting a WR.

In spite of what many will say, because of the losses, I think Dak has shown that he has the ability to open it up and be a Tom Brady type of QB, he just needs to find a happy medium on his risk/reward analysis, as the pendulum has swung a little bit too far in the opposite direction.
We suck.....
 

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That’s a lot of thoughts to dissect. I will agree about Gallup. However we need to keep Amari. He drops a ton but man his catches and routes are the best I’ve seen. You don’t let that guy walk.

I agree about the LBers.


Our defense is so weak at the DT position. Big problem.


Dak is solid and good enough to win super bowls with.

Our OL even when healthy is the most overrated unit it the league.
They have gotten credit for Zeke beyond what they deserve.
 

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Amari Cooper might be our best #1 pick in years. Dude is almost open on every play. The drops suck but He more than made up for it.
 

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In spite of what many will say, because of the losses, I think Dak has shown that he has the ability to open it up and be a Tom Brady type of QB, he just needs to find a happy medium on his risk/reward analysis, as the pendulum has swung a little bit too far in the opposite direction.

Can't continue throwing passes behind receivers when their momentum is going the other way. As we've seen over and over again, those are difficult catches to make.
 

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This is why I take a day, or almost a week sometimes and try to digest, well, often puke, after games like this. The same for the Saints game.
As I try not to be too irrational about it. However, not any more. This team is a fraud, the coaches must go, everyone of them. Unfortunately we will have to suffer through this season.

I still think we have good enough players, and they need to step up, not play so sloppy. We can't help bad officiating. So they need to be good enough to beat the opponents and the refs.
And it takes great coaching to do that.
Look what Payton has done with the Saints without Brees. And I don't think they have that much more talent than the Cowboys have. Well their DL is better.

This team will go nowhere with this coaching staff. It hasn't gone anywhere yet, so there is nothing to show it will change.
 

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Rather than just going off the rails every week, I personally try to assess the team each week and see what we have, where we are and the pros and cons of our team. While wins tend to sanitize everything and losing tends to make everything look horrible, I try to not follow that roller coaster.

I have been calling out the lack of pressure on the QB since the beginning of the season along with what I perceived was putrid run defense. I have been told, by posters I respect, that we actually have good run defense. I’m sorry guys but I’m not buying it.

Our defense sucked eggs again yesterday. Piss poor QB pressure. Piss poor run defense, right up the gut, This should be a wake up call for the team in that area. As I see it we have piss poor defensive coaching, and no talent at all at DT. We need Woods back in a bad way and we need to go get a one year rental on a DT if we want to win anything or hope Woods can play every down,

Kellen Moore is a mixed bag. He is doing great being innovative and helping us score points. We need to keep him around, but he learned on the job yesterday. We should have just run the ball. We wanted to win in a flashy way, instead of just taking advantage of Green Bay’s porous run defense. Strategic error, big time.

I like Dak’s willingness to go down the field but he is quite simply getting far too greedy. Often times he had a man wide open on a shorter route that would have gone for a big gain, but he threw it long into double and triple coverage instead.

I think now we are getting a pretty good taste of why the Raiders were willing to trade a guy like Amari. Great talent, but the drops are maddening. The tide started against us with Amari’s deflection. Many will just see the success he had but his detriment to the team was also on display.

Linebackers aren’t playing well, but I think it is schematic rather than skill issues. On defense I would fire Marinelli and Richard today and hire an interim DC. Both of these guys are clowns. This defense has an abundance of talent and these clowns are wasting it.

We pay Zeke and the OL all that money and only run him a few times against one of the worst run defenses in the league. That’s on Garrett for letting that happen.

We lost the game because of turnovers but Green Bay held the entire game on our defense. It’s a continuous trend with Green Bay. Maybe we need to adopt that strategy. The long pass interference play against us was also complete BS and should have been overturned.

Speaking of turnovers, we never seem to get any. It’s an epidemic around here. It HAS to be coaching because it has lasted regardless of who we trot out there.

Gallup is the real deal. The team should give serious consideration to flipping Amari for a pick, drafting a WR and going with Gallup as the #1.

In spite of what many will say, because of the losses, I think Dak has shown that he has the ability to open it up and be a Tom Brady type of QB, he just needs to find a happy medium on his risk/reward analysis, as the pendulum has swung a little bit too far in the opposite direction.

You are correct, on his interceptions, Zeke was in his view wide open.
 

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I agree with Dak getting too greedy and not running enough. We didn't pay Zeke all that money to have him only get 12 rushes. Unless he's hurt, we need to use him more. I realize that teams are loading the box but we can get creative and get him involved.
 

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A few comments on your points:

This was a telling game, IMO. They played a good team at home and were beaten badly. Forget the score. The Packers dominated and weren't really in danger of losing. The Cowboys slow start got them in too deep of a hole and this may have been predictable considering they have been slow at the start even against bad teams.

The QB pressure was there, especially in the second half. Rodgers is both elusive and quick to get rid of the ball. Plus, with the Packers running game working so well, the Cowboys had to respect the run. They also use a lot of trick plays and snap counts to keep defenses honest.

Dak has got to solve his accuracy problems, especially early in the game and when he is under pressure. When Dak is hurried his passes are a little off but they wind up bouncing off receivers's hands or falling incomplete. New Orleans and GB were able to hurry Dak's throws and get him off his rhythm. I agree with you about Cooper. He is a great route runner but he does drop the ball at the worst times - and he gets injured too. The Cowboys have a tough decision with him.

The LBs had a horrible game yesterday. I am not sure what their game plan was. I am afraid is not scheme, its something else. LVE was just horrible, by his own admission. Maybe the problem is not Marinelli or Richard, but Marinelli AND Richard. Put one guy in charge and see what happens. I am still not convinced its a scheme thing. I think the Cowboys are weak at DT and when the LBs play poorly that magnifies the problem.

They tried to run Zeke and he was getting yards, but when you fall behind 24-3, it takes the running game away, at least as a priority. The question is, was Zeke worth $90 million? No. he's not.

I agree on turnovers. Thinking back, it seems like most of Dak's INTs come off of tipped balls. Some is his accuracy and some are just bad plays by his receivers. But the Cowboys cannot afford to give the ball away because they rarely take the ball away. This has been a persistent problem of theirs for years. Despite having Jones, Awuzie, and Woods, they are always near the bottom of the league in INTs. Some of it is the lack of a consistent pass rush, especially up the middle, but I can't explain it otherwise. It is a big problem for this defense though. They need to be more aggressive?

Can;t trade Cooper because he will be a free agent after this year. I think Cooper and Gallup make a very dangerous duo and I would love to keep them both. Devon Smith was inactive yesterday, I am not sure why, but when he is in there is seems to add another dangerous weapon to the passing game. I am not a fan of Tavon Austin. I think he is overrated and not very useful as a WR. Pollard can do what Austin does.

Dak is no Brady or anything like him. Dak can be exceptional if they protect him but he is very average when he is hurried. That's what NO did and what Green Bay did early. Until he learns accuracy under pressure he will get a lot of what GB and NO did to him. I also noticed he locks onto his receivers. Dallas's priority should be to protect him even if it means using the TEs and RBs to chip the DEs.

I didn;t make a big deal about the NO loss. But this one should have the Cowboys near panic mode. They beat 3 really bad teams and then lost to 2 good teams, one at home. It not full panic mode because Rodgers can beat anybody but the way GB ran the ball and stifled the Cowboys offense has got to have Jerry up at night.
 

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The truth is there are

elite teams
Good teams
.500 and under
Commanders, dolphins and bengals

the cowboys are at the lower end of the good teams they are usually anywhere from 9-7 to 12-4 and one and done in the playoffs if they make it

if you expect more your fooling yourself
 

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Devon Smith was inactive yesterday, I am not sure why, but when he is in there is seems to add another dangerous weapon to the passing game. I am not a fan of Tavon Austin. I think he is overrated and not very useful as a WR. Pollard can do what Austin does.

While Gallup was sidelined, Smith had trouble getting open as the No. 2. Austin is our primary punt returner and there are some specific plays for him such as the jet sweeps. Smith is a good fourth or fifth receiver, but that's all that he is. Austin is a gadget player. Whether Pollard can do what Austin does remains to be seen. I think there are certain aspects where that might be the case, though, but Pollard is not a punt returner. We'd have to use Cobb in that role.
 

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My truth is I thought they'd lose this game just like I thought they would lose the Saints game because I think both of those teams are better than the Cowboys, not by a yard, more like a foot.

I had the Cowboys at 5th in the NFC to start the season and they did move up to 3rd after 3 games but not by their play but by the teams I had above them, now they're in 6th and could drop to 7th after I see SF play tonight.

The problem isn't the team, it's the expectations based on subjectivity.
 

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Rather than just going off the rails every week, I personally try to assess the team each week and see what we have, where we are and the pros and cons of our team. While wins tend to sanitize everything and losing tends to make everything look horrible, I try to not follow that roller coaster.

I have been calling out the lack of pressure on the QB since the beginning of the season along with what I perceived was putrid run defense. I have been told, by posters I respect, that we actually have good run defense. I’m sorry guys but I’m not buying it.

Our defense sucked eggs again yesterday. Piss poor QB pressure. Piss poor run defense, right up the gut, This should be a wake up call for the team in that area. As I see it we have piss poor defensive coaching, and no talent at all at DT. We need Woods back in a bad way and we need to go get a one year rental on a DT if we want to win anything or hope Woods can play every down,

Kellen Moore is a mixed bag. He is doing great being innovative and helping us score points. We need to keep him around, but he learned on the job yesterday. We should have just run the ball. We wanted to win in a flashy way, instead of just taking advantage of Green Bay’s porous run defense. Strategic error, big time.

I like Dak’s willingness to go down the field but he is quite simply getting far too greedy. Often times he had a man wide open on a shorter route that would have gone for a big gain, but he threw it long into double and triple coverage instead.

I think now we are getting a pretty good taste of why the Raiders were willing to trade a guy like Amari. Great talent, but the drops are maddening. The tide started against us with Amari’s deflection. Many will just see the success he had but his detriment to the team was also on display.

Linebackers aren’t playing well, but I think it is schematic rather than skill issues. On defense I would fire Marinelli and Richard today and hire an interim DC. Both of these guys are clowns. This defense has an abundance of talent and these clowns are wasting it.

We pay Zeke and the OL all that money and only run him a few times against one of the worst run defenses in the league. That’s on Garrett for letting that happen.

We lost the game because of turnovers but Green Bay held the entire game on our defense. It’s a continuous trend with Green Bay. Maybe we need to adopt that strategy. The long pass interference play against us was also complete BS and should have been overturned.

Speaking of turnovers, we never seem to get any. It’s an epidemic around here. It HAS to be coaching because it has lasted regardless of who we trot out there.

Gallup is the real deal. The team should give serious consideration to flipping Amari for a pick, drafting a WR and going with Gallup as the #1.

In spite of what many will say, because of the losses, I think Dak has shown that he has the ability to open it up and be a Tom Brady type of QB, he just needs to find a happy medium on his risk/reward analysis, as the pendulum has swung a little bit too far in the opposite direction.

This is what our offense cannot overcome and Zeke is being stopped.
Both WR are in single coverage with 1 safety playing center field.
Stop Zeke win the game.....

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The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly from yesterday.........

The Good.........Well after looking like the Dolphins for the first half at least they fought back and had a chance (a little one anyway)

The Bad........... Hmmmmmmmm let me see, this might take a while. drop passes, force throws for Int's, 28 points down, awful defense LVE and Jaylon Smith can't tackle, no turnovers by the defense, oh and I almost forgot a missed 35 yard field goal after another stupid penalty!

The Ugly............The last two games the Cowboys have been outcoached plus the last two games reminded me a lot like those undisciplined Wade Phillips team a lot of penalties and awful run defense. BTW who's Green Bay's running back? How the hell could a team dominate on the ground one week after totally abandoning the running game against the Eagles, how is that even possible? Tell you what folks they better get their act together or Garrett won't be the Cowboys Head coach this year,..............oh and one more thing hold onto that contract for Dak he has a lot more to prove!
 

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Watch the LBers closely and tell me scheme is a problem. Jaylon has never been good at it, but right now, neither is playing with any instinct or understanding of what offenses are doing. Their run fits and anticipation are horrible.
 

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This week's game against the Jets will be the do or die game of the season and it's really simple, you beat the Jets (which won't be easy) and you can turn the season around, lose and you'll see players quit on their teammates and Garrett and that will be the end of the 2019 season for the Cowboys!
 
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