Jesse Holley: Wade Phillip was sabotaged

[Number1]

Holley gossips for living - straight drama queen

 

[Kaiser]

How do you come to the conclusion that he was a great Offensive mind or whatever the terminology you want to use suggests? Do you hire that guy as your OC if you are the GM?

First, I never said he was a great offensive mind. I said he was smart and went onto be Coach of the Year, nobody would argue either point.

And Garrett wasn't driving a UPS truck before he took that OC job, he had been in the league for 14 years. He was known a smart guy who was a future coach when he was a backup QB for 13 years. Sean Lee has never been paid a coach but he would get hired as LB coach by half the teams in the NFL next year if that is what he wanted to do.

I already used the example of Kellen Moore, who had a third of the NFL experience Garrett did. He had two NFL starts and one year as a QB coach, now is the rookie OC of the second rated offense in the NFL. Bob Sturm had an article this year saying anyone who has ever been in the room with Moore has called him a savant.

Garrett got the OC job and did it well enough to get the HC job. He did the HC job well enough to win Coach of the Year at one point. The proof he did both jobs well (at times) is proof he was qualified.

 

[TwoDeep3]

No, this is about an accusation made by somebody without credibility.

Wade put Holley on the roster. Jason cut him.

Gee.

I heard these comments when they were first uttered years ago. I listened to the entire radio show. This is not the first go round for this story.

But the thing is, I believe Crayton was also telling this story, as well. There was another receiver making these claims. The original comments indicated the game plan changed drastically from the last week of Wade to the first week of Garrett.

I thought it was pretty compelling. Especially in the light of a few weeks ago when Garrett threw Tavon Austin under the bus for the punt he called fair catch, then Garrett blamed him after the game..

I think it is well within the character of Garrett to do something like this.

 

[Idgit]

Get checked.

Seriously.

Get checked.

Check yourself. We’ll probably be in this exact same situation again with the next HC or the one after. At some point it’s going to dawn on you what the issues have actually been.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Even I, as maybe the biggest Garrett hater anywhere, had a hard time believing he actually sabotaged Wade (although it wouldn't surprise me).

But everyone has to admit this: When things started going sideways, Jason had absolutely zero incentive to make them right. He knew the faster the guillotine fell on Wade's head, the faster the job was his.

 

[romonumberone]

I have a hard time believing that Garrett would make himself look bad to get Wade fired. Maybe Dallas should hire me to work on all those radio stations..... I would say less stupid crap..... Than again maybe they should hire me to be the head coach. I would have them at better than 6-7.

 

[Buzzbait]

Kellen Moore...It was so obvious after the 3rd game....playbooks were switched. Didn't want the hot shot upstart taking his job.

Floaty I don't know for sure, but I had the same impression. IMO the play calling has never looked the same as it did in the beginning. It started out with Kellen Moore, but I don't think it stayed that way, and I'm not surprised. I never did think Garrett would like totally turning over the offense to Moore.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I was looking atht that 2010 roster. All of the player talent was on offense. Even the 1st round pick was used on Dez.

That was after that stupidity of the 2009 draft. But that 2010....they thought they were deep enough to even attempt that moronic move to draft backups. Mind you for a 3-4 defense you had Ware and Spencer as outside linebackers......Bowen, Ratliff, Hatcher, etc. on the line.....Mike Jenkins, Scandrick and Newman.....they were far too good to completely quit on Wade.

 

[Buzzbait]

Garrett's offense outperformed Wade's defense in those days.

Thanks only to Romo.

 

[kskboys]

That was after that stupidity of the 2009 draft. But that 2010....they thought they were deep enough to even attempt that moronic move to draft backups. Mind you for a 3-4 defense you had Ware and Spencer as outside linebackers......Bowen, Ratliff, Hatcher, etc. on the line.....Mike Jenkins, Scandrick and Newman.....they were far too good to completely quit on Wade.

It's not a lack of talent that makes players quit on a HC. It's a lack of direction, responsibility, discipline, and physical conditioning.

The same thing is pretty much happening to JG at present. They are quitting because what he is having them do is not working.

 

[Buzzbait]

This is as inane as the "Garrett stole the playcalling from Moore" conspiracy theories.

It wouldn't be the 1st time Garrett pulled a stunt like that...….ask Bill Callahan.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's not a lack of talent that makes players quit on a HC. It's a lack of direction, responsibility, discipline, and physical conditioning.

The same thing is pretty much happening to JG at present. They are quitting because what he is having them do is not working.

That's exactly my point lol. My original post was about how the narrative has changed on why Wade got fired. Whether JG sabotaged him or not I don't know but one thing that can't be denied is the defense gave up on him and they sucked.

 

[kskboys]

The sabotage thing has always sounded stupid to me, especially considering it's been mostly the SOS since then. IMO this whole sabotage thing has been shot down w/ force.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

First, I never said he was a great offensive mind. I said he was smart and went onto be Coach of the Year, nobody would argue either point.

And Garrett wasn't driving a UPS truck before he took that OC job, he had been in the league for 14 years. He was known a smart guy who was a future coach when he was a backup QB for 13 years. Sean Lee has never been paid a coach but he would get hired as LB coach by half the teams in the NFL next year if that is what he wanted to do.

I already used the example of Kellen Moore, who had a third of the NFL experience Garrett did. He had two NFL starts and one year as a QB coach, now is the rookie OC of the second rated offense in the NFL. Bob Sturm had an article this year saying anyone who has ever been in the room with Moore has called him a savant.

Garrett got the OC job and did it well enough to get the HC job. He did the HC job well enough to win Coach of the Year at one point. The proof he did both jobs well (at times) is proof he was qualified.

OK, smart guy then. I'm a smart guy but that doesn't mean I'm qualified to be the OC for the Dallas Cowboys. See, here's the thing, nobody is questioning the validity of your statements, but that's also not what anybody is asking you. What I asked you is, if you were the GM would you hire a guy with that very limited experience to be the OC? Would you have done that? That's the question you have failed to answer or if you have posted the answer, I have not seen it.

Garrett wasn't driving a UPS truck, that's true, but he wasn't calling a Pro Offense either and he also was not exactly the most experienced player in the entire world. He was a career backup and while that doesn't mean you can't coach, it's also not something that makes him a lock to know what he's doing. See, if it were the LB Coach, or in Garrett's case, lets say QB Coach, then yeah. Yeah, that would be no problem but that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about the OC, and that's not exactly a position coach gig.

For the record, I am not a fan of what is being done With Moore either. He is another Garrett situation and I just believe that now is not the time for us to experimenting with a full of potential long shot at OC. You would think we would have learned our lesson here but clearly we have not. Moore may end up being a Savant but it makes no sense to take a team as talented as ours is and create a lab to test theory on.

For the record, it is true that he was OC and that he did that job well enough to get the HC job but, would that have happened anywhere else other then Dallas? I mean, that's the real question right? In Garrett's first year as OC, the Offense did well. I believe they were 2nd in the NFL but then again, that Offense was good before he ever got there. The year prior to Garrett being hired, the Offense was ranked 4th in the NFL so a legit case can be made that it was not Garrett who was responsible for that. In fact, if you look, the offense was ranked 19th in Garretts second year as OC, the year after that they were 14th, so basically, it got worse. The HC gets fired but not the OC who, in two years, took a top 5 offense in the NFL to a Middle of the pack offense and he gets promoted to HC? Where, other then Dallas does that happen? In most other organizations, I think what happens there is that the HC gets the axe and the coordinators go as well. But not in Dallas. So you can say he did his job well enough to get hired as OC but you can't tell me that it's because he actually did a good job. Nope, that was the plan all along. Garrett to HC was always the plan and everybody knew it. Jerry wanted to say that he found the next great HC of the Dallas Cowboys and that's why Garrett has been in Dallas for as long as he has.

Yes, he did get voted Coach Of The Year, in his 7th season as HC of the Cowboys, but would he have ever even gotten the opportunity anywhere else? Consider, in his 6 previous seasons, he posted 3 .500 win seasons, one losing season and one winning season. I don't count the first season because honestly, he was only HC for half the season and you can look at that and say he did well in that time or you can look at it and say he is still responsible for the performance for that season for the entire year. In most franchises, that kind of performance gets you fired but not in Dallas. So no, it actually proves that Jerry wanted him as HC of the Cowboys but it certainly doesn't prove that he was qualified. I would hope, that after all these years as HC of the Cowboys, he would at least be qualified to be a HC for somebody else but that remains to be seen. Lastly, is "Qualified" what you are looking for in a HC? I mean, that's not what I want in a HC.

 

[Kaiser]

What I asked you is, if you were the GM would you hire a guy with that very limited experience to be the OC? Would you have done that? That's the question you have failed to answer or if you have posted the answer, I have not seen it.

I posted the answer and you are ignoring it. Garrett had 14 years in the NFL as a player who was part of the offensive scheme and then as a QB coach. You may not like that as a qualification but it was clearly valid because Garrett didn't flunk out in the OC position.

How did Wade Phillips get an NFL coaching position? Was it a couple of years in college as a position coach, or the fact his Dad was an NFL HC? Just like Garrett and Moore, it really doesn't matter because he did that initial job well once he had the job.

 

[Kaiser]

Yes, he did get voted Coach Of The Year, in his 7th season as HC of the Cowboys, but would he have ever even gotten the opportunity anywhere else?

This is a new one. He has a winning record and a Coach of the Year award but that doesn't count because..... (checks notes).... something something favoritism something.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I posted the answer and you are ignoring it. Garrett had 14 years in the NFL as a player who was part of the offensive scheme and then as a QB coach. You may not like that as a qualification but it was clearly valid because Garrett didn't flunk out in the OC position.

How did Wade Phillips get an NFL coaching position? Was it a couple of years in college as a position coach, or the fact his Dad was an NFL HC? Just like Garrett and Moore, it really doesn't matter because he did that initial job well once he had the job.

OK, cool. Please post your answer again because, as I said, I did not see it. If you were GM, would you look at Garret with two years coaching experience as QB coach and hire him as OC? Yes or no, would you have done that if you were GM?

 

[robertfchew]

Jesse Holley is a clown.

The one play he made in his career, he almost completely screwed it up. This could have easily ended up in a fumble out of the back of the end zone. That was the Romo punctured lung game.

So glad I was at this game.

 

[Kaiser]

OK, cool. Please post your answer again because, as I said, I did not see it.

Its literally on this page.

And hire a bright backup QB who because a QB coach when everyone in the NFL said for ten years that he would likely be a successful OC one day?

Yes.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How did Wade Phillips get an NFL coaching position? Was it a couple of years in college as a position coach, or the fact his Dad was an NFL HC? Just like Garrett and Moore, it really doesn't matter because he did that initial job well once he had the job.

Coaching position or HC position? Coaching position is probably because his Dad gave him a shot but its not as if he only got a job in the NFL because his Dad was Bum Phillips. Wade Phillips paid his dues. He was a Graduate Assistant at Houston, he was a HS coach, he was a LB Coach at OkieSt., DL Coach at Kansas before he ever got a shot in the NFL to coach anything. He has also been considered one of the very best DCs in the NFL for a long time so he, unlike Garrett or Moore, did pay his dues.

HC position is because he had success in the NFL as a Coordinator.