DT Player Measurables

[Future]

When you have a Scheme where more often then not you had the DTs being washed by being over-aggressive with the middle of the field open and 1 defender the MIKE there to stop and you have 2 and 3 free OL thats a losing situation. Dont take my word for it just go watch and you see this consistently in these games where Dallas gave up alot of yrds. It just takes a RB thats patient and has the vision. Not too many RBs can do this in todays game.

Dallas is a really good run stopping defense. Theres just some teams usually the teams with Athletic OL and a Quick RB that take advantage of this flaw. So when it did happen it looked really bad

Agreed - they were just a poor matchup for some. That's true for every defense.

 

[USArmyVet]

4.1 was 8th in the league.

Yes, they are exaggerated.

4.1 was the average yards per carry against defenses.....which was a tie by 5 teams so you could say 8th but you could also say 13th.

That said, Dallas was also 13th in average rushing attempts against per game so there were 7 teams with an equal to or more rushing attempts per game against that averaged less yards per attempt.

In other words, Dallas gave up more yards per carry on fewer attempts than many other teams.

 

[scottsp]

Fire hydrants are nice, but interior push against passers is the need here. Height/weight specs tell us only so much, though bigger is usually better when it comes to these guys. That being the case, not all big boys play with the same power/push.

I wouldn't dare say a 330-lb. road block is a bad thing, because they have their place in a rotation. But I love a 295-pound who's quick off the ball and can generate a fair amount of face pressure per snap. Watching QBs routinely climb the pocket with little concern gets old.

Not that Aaron Donald will just fall out of the sky or anything. I just think a discussion about bulk vs. power is interesting because it isn't all the same. Then again, having all of one thing and none of the other isn't serving us well - if that makes sense

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Dallas Cowboys DT's:

Maliek Collins 6' 2" 308 pounds
Antwaun Woods 6' 1" 318 pounds
Trysten Hill 6' 3" 308 pounds
Daniel Ross 6' 3" 305 pounds
Tyrone Crawford 6' 4" 290 pounds



Height and weight according to Dallas Cowboys site. Simply put, Dallas lacks any true behemoth DT on the DL. In my $.02 opinion what they need are 2 DT's that stand anywhere from 6' 1" to 6' 4" and weight anywhere from 320 pounds to 340 pounds. Get some immovable wall types in the middle to force the opposing C and G's to occupy the middle allowing the LDE and RDE to go one on one with opposing T's.

Now we are TALKING!

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Every LBer does. Doesn't mean it's the best way to build a defense.

And Ray Lewis didn't play in this league. Pass rush is 4000x more important than stopping the run.

why would having bigger DTs up front that can collapse the pocket somehow indicate that you cannot have a pass rush?

 

[JeffInDC]

Fire hydrants are nice, but interior push against passers is the need here. Height/weight specs tell us only so much, though bigger is usually better when it comes to these guys. That being the case, not all big boys play with the same power/push. Not saying a 330 lb. road block is a bad thing, because they have their place in a rotation. But I would prefer a 295-pound who's quick off the snap and can generate a fair amount of face pressure per snap. Watching QBs routinely climb the pocket with little concern gets old.

Not that Aaron Donald will just fall out of the sky or anything. I just think a discussion about bulk vs. power is interesting because it isn't all the same. Then again, having all of one thing and none of the other isn't serving us well - if that makes sense

I think the notion that many of these fire hydrants AREN'T pocket pushers can be a false narrative. The reason I've mentioned Billings a couple of times is that, based on what I've seen from him, he's a really good combination of those 2 traits - he CAN take on double teams consistently and CAN push the pocket. I want 2 of those guys - I don't need 5+ sacks from any one DT. If we can get 4-6 from both, and they are the main reasons the team is only giving up 80-90YPG in rush defense, sign me up.

 

[John813]

If Tomsula doesn't fist bump when he hears a players name, well I hope that player doesn't come here.

 

[JayFord]

Get as close to snacks harrison and malcolm brown as you can

 

[scottsp]

Dallas Cowboys DT's:

Maliek Collins 6' 2" 308 pounds
Antwaun Woods 6' 1" 318 pounds
Trysten Hill 6' 3" 308 pounds
Daniel Ross 6' 3" 305 pounds
Tyrone Crawford 6' 4" 290 pounds



Height and weight according to Dallas Cowboys site. Simply put, Dallas lacks any true behemoth DT on the DL. In my $.02 opinion what they need are 2 DT's that stand anywhere from 6' 1" to 6' 4" and weight anywhere from 320 pounds to 340 pounds. Get some immovable wall types in the middle to force the opposing C and G's to occupy the middle allowing the LDE and RDE to go one on one with opposing T's.

I know in my previous response, I made my case for interior pass rushers, but I cannot argue there is also need for this type in the DT rotation.

 

[scottsp]

I think the notion that many of these fire hydrants AREN'T pocket pushers can be a false narrative. The reason I've mentioned Billings a couple of times is that, based on what I've seen from him, he's a really good combination of those 2 traits - he CAN take on double teams consistently and CAN push the pocket. I want 2 of those guys - I don't need 5+ sacks from any one DT. If we can get 4-6 from both, and they are the main reasons the team is only giving up 80-90YPG in rush defense, sign me up.

I would not push that line of thinking at all. My contention was only that a big body isn't the end-all. Certainly there are big fellas who can create push. I wouldn't think otherwise.

 

[Future]

4.1 was the average yards per carry against defenses.....which was a tie by 5 teams so you could say 8th but you could also say 13th.

That said, Dallas was also 13th in average rushing attempts against per game so there were 7 teams with an equal to or more rushing attempts per game against that averaged less yards per attempt.

In other words, Dallas gave up more yards per carry on fewer attempts than many other teams.

That's not how rankings work.

Number of attempts doesn't matter lol. If anything, fewer attempts against skews the number up b/c it doesn't get rid of outliers, like Saquon's long run in the opener.

 

[Future]

why would having bigger DTs up front that can collapse the pocket somehow indicate that you cannot have a pass rush?

B/c the players we're talking about don't collapse the pocket. NFL DTs who collapse the pocket don't need to be 330 lbs to do it.

Collapsing the pocket is about leverage and explosion. NFL OL are too strong and athletic to get pushed simply b/c they're smaller.

 

[USArmyVet]

That's not how rankings work.

Number of attempts doesn't matter lol. If anything, fewer attempts against skews the number up b/c it doesn't get rid of outliers, like Saquon's long run in the opener.

Okay, no point in trying to continue as you have your own position so good luck.

 

[OmerV]

Not every strong defense has a 340+ lb type guy in the middle, especially in a 4-3 scheme. The Bears, 49ers and Vikings, for example, were among the better defenses in the NFL and they don't rely on that kind of player.

Don't get me wrong, I understand there can be a benefit with a player like that - if he has real talent and isn't just big - but it would be off base to say we can't succeed if we don't get that kind of guy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This logic is so funny to me.

Not from you, necessarily, but how many folks on this board have complained about the run D because of the Rams playoff game? Tennesee just killed the Patriots on the ground, with no passing game, and guess who was sitting there in the middle all day. Danny Shelton.

Pure run-stopping DTs don't matter in the NFL. They just don't.

Nonsense. NT that can sit down on comboes and doubles keep the LB clean to flow to the ball. They also eliminate cutbacks.

It's a team game nonetheless and you can run offtackle and the like against a stout interior line.

 

[Future]

Okay, no point in trying to continue as you have your own position so good luck.

They ranked 8th in yards per attempt. That is the position I'm taking.

 

[Future]

Nonsense. NT that can sit down on comboes and doubles keep the LB clean to flow to the ball. They also eliminate cutbacks.

It's a team game nonetheless and you can run offtackle and the like against a stout interior line.

"Sit down on comboes" means "Not rushing the passer"

Sure they can help keep LBs clean, it just doesn't matter.

 

[USArmyVet]

They ranked 8th in yards per attempt. That is the position I'm taking.

Tied for 8th with 5 other teams but okay.

 

[Future]

Tied for 8th with 5 other teams but okay.

Right. 8th.

 

[LatinMind]

Ill remind all of you, Dallas ran a 3-4 defense with a guy playing NT that was under 300, Glover. Ill take DTs that play with good technique and know how to use their hands over a 340lb slob every time