Week 16 Loss at Eagles May Turn Out To Be Incredibly Fortuitous

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Here’s a list of all the pro’s and con’s of that loss:

Pros:
- Jason Garrett’s fate was sealed. ‘Nuff said.

- Winning that week would have prolonged the inevitable, this team and coaching staff had reached the end of the road. Losing 2 weeks later in the Wild Card or in the Divisional could have extended the Garrett tenure. Ew.

- Pick 17 in the 2020 draft. This is a sans Ceedee pro before I get to the obvious. Had we simply lost in the WC round like Philly, we would have been picking at 21 and them at 17. With 15ish real first round graded players every year, the chances at one of those players being available at 17 is high. Trading down or having a player fall in your lap both become very viable options in picks 16-18. At 21, you rarely get as lucky.

-That being said, Ceedee freakin Lamb. Imagine how we would feel if the Eagles got him? I’m glad we lost that game for this reason alone lol.

-This team was a wounded duck on its way down, winning this week would’ve been pointless as we certainly weren’t winning the Super Bowl.

-A culture of coaching ineptitude and a disorganized mess of responsibilities might have finally moved JJ to act like a normal owner. He’s already backed off as GM, and the leash he’s given Mike (a real HC btw) to go out and pick his own staff and impart his philosophy on the draft has been great. If he truly has learned, all the obstacles to deep playoff runs have theoretically been removed.

Cons:
-The way some players are judged after a year that was clearly one in which the coaching staff hit their limit, is severely lacking context. Especially since that week 16 game seems to be the favorite example.

-Never been one to care too much about pundits and fans, but the whole “8-8” Cowboys thing gets old especially when it’s been some time since we’ve been 8-8. How many guys on the roster now were here in ‘13? Now all of a sudden these are all 8-8 guys when the only common denominator between 8-8 and Dallas was Garrett? Gets annoying.

-Finally, acting like Philly is an annual SB lock because they beat us and made the playoffs is such a weird take. Don’t get me wrong they’ve definitely done more recently than us in terms of success, but this is getting laughable. I know they had injuries, but they were 5-7 coming off a loss to Miami. Everyone touts that they made some heroic late season comeback to make the playoffs when they literally beat two of the worst teams in the league and the lame duck Jason Garrett’s, followed by a Wentz injury and WC loss. Yet they are SB favorites by many again and some act like there is a huge gap between us both (Cowherd is the poster boy for this). I’ll take being the underdog but sheesh Philly hasn’t been a juggernaut since 2017 and wasn’t one before that. Solid team, solid FO, not a top SB pick.


In conclusion, that loss might have a huge impact on the future of this division. And to me, is just ahead of the Skins loss in October 2018 that netted us Amari Cooper. Losses that truly became wins.
 

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Here’s a list of all the pro’s and con’s of that loss:

Pros:
- Jason Garrett’s fate was sealed. ‘Nuff said.

- Winning that week would have prolonged the inevitable, this team and coaching staff had reached the end of the road. Losing 2 weeks later in the Wild Card or in the Divisional could have extended the Garrett tenure. Ew.

- Pick 17 in the 2020 draft. This is a sans Ceedee pro before I get to the obvious. Had we simply lost in the WC round like Philly, we would have been picking at 21 and them at 17. With 15ish real first round graded players every year, the chances at one of those players being available at 17 is high. Trading down or having a player fall in your lap both become very viable options in picks 16-18. At 21, you rarely get as lucky.

-That being said, Ceedee freakin Lamb. Imagine how we would feel if the Eagles got him? I’m glad we lost that game for this reason alone lol.

-This team was a wounded duck on its way down, winning this week would’ve been pointless as we certainly weren’t winning the Super Bowl.

-A culture of coaching ineptitude and a disorganized mess of responsibilities might have finally moved JJ to act like a normal owner. He’s already backed off as GM, and the leash he’s given Mike (a real HC btw) to go out and pick his own staff and impart his philosophy on the draft has been great. If he truly has learned, all the obstacles to deep playoff runs have theoretically been removed.

Cons:
-The way some players are judged after a year that was clearly one in which the coaching staff hit their limit, is severely lacking context. Especially since that week 16 game seems to be the favorite example.

-Never been one to care too much about pundits and fans, but the whole “8-8” Cowboys thing gets old especially when it’s been some time since we’ve been 8-8. How many guys on the roster now were here in ‘13? Now all of a sudden these are all 8-8 guys when the only common denominator between 8-8 and Dallas was Garrett? Gets annoying.

-Finally, acting like Philly is an annual SB lock because they beat us and made the playoffs is such a weird take. Don’t get me wrong they’ve definitely done more recently than us in terms of success, but this is getting laughable. I know they had injuries, but they were 5-7 coming off a loss to Miami. Everyone touts that they made some heroic late season comeback to make the playoffs when they literally beat two of the worst teams in the league and the lame duck Jason Garrett’s, followed by a Wentz injury and WC loss. Yet they are SB favorites by many again and some act like there is a huge gap between us both (Cowherd is the poster boy for this). I’ll take being the underdog but sheesh Philly hasn’t been a juggernaut since 2017 and wasn’t one before that. Solid team, solid FO, not a top SB pick.


In conclusion, that loss might have a huge impact on the future of this division. And to me, is just ahead of the Skins loss in October 2018 that netted us Amari Cooper. Losses that truly became wins.

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Here’s a list of all the pro’s and con’s of that loss:

Pros:
- Jason Garrett’s fate was sealed. ‘Nuff said.

- Winning that week would have prolonged the inevitable, this team and coaching staff had reached the end of the road. Losing 2 weeks later in the Wild Card or in the Divisional could have extended the Garrett tenure. Ew.

- Pick 17 in the 2020 draft. This is a sans Ceedee pro before I get to the obvious. Had we simply lost in the WC round like Philly, we would have been picking at 21 and them at 17. With 15ish real first round graded players every year, the chances at one of those players being available at 17 is high. Trading down or having a player fall in your lap both become very viable options in picks 16-18. At 21, you rarely get as lucky.

-That being said, Ceedee freakin Lamb. Imagine how we would feel if the Eagles got him? I’m glad we lost that game for this reason alone lol.

-This team was a wounded duck on its way down, winning this week would’ve been pointless as we certainly weren’t winning the Super Bowl.

-A culture of coaching ineptitude and a disorganized mess of responsibilities might have finally moved JJ to act like a normal owner. He’s already backed off as GM, and the leash he’s given Mike (a real HC btw) to go out and pick his own staff and impart his philosophy on the draft has been great. If he truly has learned, all the obstacles to deep playoff runs have theoretically been removed.

Cons:
-The way some players are judged after a year that was clearly one in which the coaching staff hit their limit, is severely lacking context. Especially since that week 16 game seems to be the favorite example.

-Never been one to care too much about pundits and fans, but the whole “8-8” Cowboys thing gets old especially when it’s been some time since we’ve been 8-8. How many guys on the roster now were here in ‘13? Now all of a sudden these are all 8-8 guys when the only common denominator between 8-8 and Dallas was Garrett? Gets annoying.

-Finally, acting like Philly is an annual SB lock because they beat us and made the playoffs is such a weird take. Don’t get me wrong they’ve definitely done more recently than us in terms of success, but this is getting laughable. I know they had injuries, but they were 5-7 coming off a loss to Miami. Everyone touts that they made some heroic late season comeback to make the playoffs when they literally beat two of the worst teams in the league and the lame duck Jason Garrett’s, followed by a Wentz injury and WC loss. Yet they are SB favorites by many again and some act like there is a huge gap between us both (Cowherd is the poster boy for this). I’ll take being the underdog but sheesh Philly hasn’t been a juggernaut since 2017 and wasn’t one before that. Solid team, solid FO, not a top SB pick.


In conclusion, that loss might have a huge impact on the future of this division. And to me, is just ahead of the Skins loss in October 2018 that netted us Amari Cooper. Losses that truly became wins.
Good post, another thing the haters fail to take into account in regards to our 8-8 mark is many of those games came down to missed field goals and dropped passes by our receivers. Better special teams play and better coaching we win 10 games easily.
 

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Yeah maybe NFC championship is debatable too. But he was going to have to do a lot. Just making the playoffs wasn't enough this year.
I agree. JJ really didn’t want to do it. But he left the locker room after one game and they said he looked emotional and had tears in his eyes, I think that loss was the breaking point and he realized the year wasn’t going to happen and the players were done with JG...
 

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The Eagles seem to have a better ability to win when it really maters than the Cowboys. There is no way, given their injuries, the Eagles should have beaten the Cowboys week 16. But they controlled the game and scored when they had to despite having no WRs. I am guilty of mocking their draft this year, but we also shouldn't forget they have found players later in the draft.
 

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The Cowboys under Garrett was just blah. No urgency, no motivation, no energy.

I’m hoping MM can light a fire and put these guys in positions to succeed. I’m ready to see a different energy this year.

The last against the Eagles was pathetic. No one seemed like they wanted it and with the season on the line. I was disgusted watching that crap fest.
 

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Good post, another thing the haters fail to take into account in regards to our 8-8 mark is many of those games came down to missed field goals and dropped passes by our receivers. Better special teams play and better coaching we win 10 games easily.

Every team that lost games last year can find excuses why they lost, but they still all have one thing in common.
 

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What happened happened, it's in the past. Stop worrying about it, you can't change it so just get over it and move on.
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Every team that lost games last year can find excuses why they lost, but they still all have one thing in common.

so when the saints went 7-9 in 2014, 15, and 16 with drew brees and sean peyton would the common denominator be that they suffered under Drew Brees? Or could it of been the team wasn't up to snuff? Or was Drew Brees not Drew Brees? Why don't you answer that for me? I'm not saying that Prescott is Drew Brees, but if Brees is so infallible shouldn't he of lifted the team up in that three year span?
 
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