Will the new staff be able to reach Cooper?

Cowboyny · Jun 2, 2020

We have all seen that Cooper is a totally different player in home games, compared to the one's on the road. One can argue that when he's plays in Dallas, he is a legitimate #1 WR, but on the road he flat out disappears.

What is the cause of this? Is he a mentally weak player? Does he lose focus? Does he give less effort if not apart of the game early on? What was the reason he was benched in the most important game last season in Philadelphia? All legitimate questions.

The Cowboys in essence resigned Cooper to a 2 year extension. The new staff has 2 years to figure out the issues with him or be forced to release him. This is kind of crazy to envision when he plays so well at home, but if they cannot rely on him in big moments on the road, might as well find someone else who can.

TheMarathonContinues · Jun 2, 2020

I didn’t think Cooper not playing well on the road was a isolated issue. This team as a whole wasn’t good on the road.

glimmerman · Jun 2, 2020

The last WR coach had a beef with him that likely effected him. He seems like a emotional guy. He feels comfortable at home games. He was also injured worse than he let on last year. He said being pulled from the game or out of a series was up to the coach. Having a beef with the guy in control of when you play could have something to do with it.

fivetwos · Jun 2, 2020

I'm not a fan and I've been vocal about it, but the more I think on it, its difficult to judge players considering the last staff and their serious shortcomings. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

But it's almost going to have to be to where his best football is ahead of him to continue to earn that contract beyond 2021.

The team has done a nice job at leaving themselves an out without much cap damage on these bigger deals.

Theres a long way to go and a lot for these two to show between now and then, but the team has to be envisioning Lamb and Gallup as the starting WR in 2022.

John813 · Jun 2, 2020

(Article written 11/25/19 so final 2019 stats will vary)
2019: 79.6% home – 53.1% road
2018: 75.9% home – 63.3% road
2017: 62.5% home – 41.1% road
2016: 64.6% home – 61.2% road
2015: 61.3% home – 50.0% road

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...oper-home-road-performance-study-2019-career/

Cobb or Gallup never had this type of variation that Cooper has for home/road games. (Tables in the article).

At first I was thinking it was a turf issue, but the Raiders play outside in the grass. And, his home/road splits mimic the same disparity going back to 2015. Only 2016 were his catch rates close.

So, it's not a Sanjay/Garrett issue. Nor is it a QB issue.

fivetwos · Jun 2, 2020

John813 said:
(Article written 11/25/19 so final 2019 stats will vary)
2019: 79.6% home – 53.1% road
2018: 75.9% home – 63.3% road
2017: 62.5% home – 41.1% road
2016: 64.6% home – 61.2% road
2015: 61.3% home – 50.0% road

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...oper-home-road-performance-study-2019-career/

Cobb or Gallup never had this type of variation that Cooper has for home/road games. (Tables in the article).

At first I was thinking it was a turf issue, but the Raiders play outside in the grass. And, his home/road splits mimic the same disparity going back to 2015. Only 2016 were his catch rates close.

So, it's not a Sanjay/Garrett issue. Nor is it a QB issue.

I'm not sure what the home/road splits mean, but I personally dont think he gives a crap if the team wins, loses or ties.

Put him on a polygraph and ask about how important a championship is. I know where I'd place my wagers.

Now, most teams are going to have these types, but I think we either collected too many of them, or some were conditioned to accept losing because they didnt believe in the staff.

jazzcat22 · Jun 2, 2020

Add to a few of the above post, one being Lal and the other being isolated issue.
Also Cooper was playing throughout the year with those nagging injuries that just do not have time to heal.

Risen Star · Jun 2, 2020

jazzcat22 said:
Add to a few of the above post, one being Lal and the other being isolated issue.
Also Cooper was playing throughout the year with those nagging injuries that just do not have time to heal.

Those injuries only when you travel are the worst.

jazzcat22 · Jun 2, 2020

fivetwos said:
I'm not sure what the home/road splits mean, but I personally dont think he gives a crap if the team wins, loses or ties.

Put him on a polygraph and ask about how important a championship is. I know where I'd place my wagers.

Now, most teams are going to have these types, but I think we either collected too many of them, or some were conditioned to accept losing because they didnt believe in the staff.

I disagree with this take. Most players care, and the ones that don't find themselves on the bench and eventually out. Maybe not so much with Garrett at first as it took too long for him to pull the plug. But Cooper is not one of these players. You are already on record saying you do not like him. So it kind of skews your viewpoint. At least IMO. Which means nothing. :laugh:

Risen Star · Jun 2, 2020

I think they reached Cooper when they selected Lamb. Either produce like a consistent #1 or you won't be here very long.

jazzcat22 · Jun 2, 2020

Risen Star said:
Those injuries only when you travel are the worst.

Yes the long flights can not help. :laugh:

But point taken.

He was still off on some home games as well or seemed like it to me.

jazzcat22 · Jun 2, 2020

Risen Star said:
I think they reached Cooper when they selected Lamb. Either produce like a consistent #1 or you won't be here very long.

Yes.
They set themselves up nicely for Cooper 2 years or when Gallup's deal comes up. Keep one and continue to pay him, or let him go and pay the other one. If all goes well, they keep both, which is doubtful.

MyFairLady · Jun 2, 2020

We traded away a first round pick for him AND gave him 20 million per year. Now we are worried about "reaching" him. Lets go people.

Manwiththeplan · Jun 2, 2020

John813 said:
(Article written 11/25/19 so final 2019 stats will vary)
2019: 79.6% home – 53.1% road
2018: 75.9% home – 63.3% road
2017: 62.5% home – 41.1% road
2016: 64.6% home – 61.2% road
2015: 61.3% home – 50.0% road

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...oper-home-road-performance-study-2019-career/

Cobb or Gallup never had this type of variation that Cooper has for home/road games. (Tables in the article).

At first I was thinking it was a turf issue, but the Raiders play outside in the grass. And, his home/road splits mimic the same disparity going back to 2015. Only 2016 were his catch rates close.

So, it's not a Sanjay/Garrett issue. Nor is it a QB issue.

Not up to you to provide, but you do realize these numbers are largely useless without the context of the league average for starting WRs, WR 1s and/or comparisons against other pro-bowl WRs

John813 · Jun 2, 2020

fivetwos said:
I'm not sure what the home/road splits mean, but I personally dont think he gives a crap if the team wins, loses or ties.

Put him on a polygraph and ask about how important a championship is. I know where I'd place my wagers.

Now, most teams are going to have these types, but I think we either collected too many of them, or some were conditioned to accept losing because they didnt believe in the staff.

Catch % rates for games at home vs games on the road.

Basically, he caught just under 80% of targets his way at home these past two years. But on the road the % caught dropped to 53/63%.

Good drop off in % caught at home vs on the road.

Manwiththeplan said:
Not up to you to provide, but you do realize these numbers are largely useless without the context of the league average for starting WRs, WR 1s and/or comparisons against other pro-bowl WRs

The link shows the splits for Gallup and Cobb. Their catch % are nearly identical for home and road games.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneJu02/splits/2019/
Julio Jones 63.4% vs 62.8% for 19 and 66.7 vs 66.3 % in 18

I'll look into it more, but at least it is a noticeable trend with Coop. Maybe others have the same "issue" too.

Doomsday101 · Jun 2, 2020

Cowboyny said:
We have all seen that Cooper is a totally different player in home games, compared to the one's on the road. One can argue that when he's plays in Dallas, he is a legitimate #1 WR, but on the road he flat out disappears.

What is the cause of this? Is he a mentally weak player? Does he lose focus? Does he give less effort if not apart of the game early on? What was the reason he was benched in the most important game last season in Philadelphia? All legitimate questions.

The Cowboys in essence resigned Cooper to a 2 year extension. The new staff has 2 years to figure out the issues with him or be forced to release him. This is kind of crazy to envision when he plays so well at home, but if they cannot rely on him in big moments on the road, might as well find someone else who can.

Cooper was playing through injuries last season and yet still put up over 1,000 yards, I'm not concerned at the least in his abilities or his mental state.

blueblood70 · Jun 2, 2020

Risen Star said:
I think they reached Cooper when they selected Lamb. Either produce like a consistent #1 or you won't be here very long.

really with a huge bonus toting a major cap hit id say the message is hes here for at least 2 years before trade is even possible.. 20mil cant be thrown away easily..we are stuck with him.. so he better improve or stay healthy because if not hes Roy William 2.0

fivetwos · Jun 2, 2020

jazzcat22 said:
I disagree with this take. Most players care, and the ones that don't find themselves on the bench and eventually out. Maybe not so much with Garrett at first as it took too long for him to pull the plug. But Cooper is not one of these players. You are already on record saying you do not like him. So it kind of skews your viewpoint. At least IMO. Which means nothing.

That's WHY I don't like him.

And yeah, he is a regular Michael Irvin as far as his desire to win.

You're not in his head anymore than I am, so no real sense in aguing.

I see one thing, you see another.

fivetwos · Jun 2, 2020

blueblood70 said:
really with a huge bonus toting a major cap hit id say the message is hes here for at least 2 years before trade is even possible.. 20mil cant be thrown away easily..we are stuck with him.. so he better improve or stay healthy because if not hes Roy William 2.0

Are "not very long" and "two years" two different things?

mcmvp · Jun 2, 2020

Risen Star said:
I think they reached Cooper when they selected Lamb. Either produce like a consistent #1 or you won't be here very long.

But that message doesn't come across as strong after first giving him $60 million in guarantees.

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