News: BR: Report: Cowboys Stunned by Dak Prescott's Stance on Length of New Contract

Future said:

Well first of all, a 4-year extension is the direct equivalent of Dak signing a 4-year deal right now.

I guess no QB deals equate then, because that's basically all of the deals that are even close to benchmarks.

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No it is not. Had he signed a 4 year extension LAST year, it would have. For example. Go back to the day Wentz signed his 4 year extension. Then count the years Wnbtz is under contract from that pont on.

5 years.

C'mon man, just look at it a little deeper.

Future said:

Dak could probably say the same thing about the Cowboys unwillingness to come down from 5 years....

I don't blame Dak for wanting 4 years - he probably would prefer 3.

It isn't about maximizing this contract, it's about maximizing his NEXT contract. The younger he is as a free agent, the bigger that next one will be.

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Sure but the precedent is out there for QBs hitting their first big contract. Wentz, Goff all signed extensions that essentially were 6 year control deals for their teams. Dallas is at 5 years. Prescott wants 4.

Echo9 said:

No it is not. Had he signed a 4 year extension LAST year, it would have. For example. Go back to the day Wentz signed his 4 year extension. Then count the years Wnbtz is under contract from that pont on.

5 years.

C'mon man, just look at it a little deeper.

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Yep

Dak should have held out last year like Elliott did.

Future said:

Well first of all, a 4-year extension is the direct equivalent of Dak signing a 4-year deal right now.

I guess no QB deals equate then, because that's basically all of the deals that are even close to benchmarks.

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This is false. Those 4 year extensions were tacked onto the final two years of Goff's and Wentz's deal.

So the Eagles and Rams have 6 years of control and 6 years to spread out cap hits on those two QBs.

In Dak's scenario, the Cowboys would only have 4 years to spread out a similar paying (guaranteed money) contract.

I'm really liking 'Red" Dalton more and more.

Echo9 said:

No it is not. Had he signed a 4 year extension LAST year, it would have. For example. Go back to the day Wentz signed his 4 year extension. Then count the years Wnbtz is under contract from that pont on.

5 years.

C'mon man, just look at it a little deeper.

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It's actually 6 years under control, not 5. He (and Goff) signed their extensions prior to the 2019 season, which was his 4th season. They also had the 5th year option year. So the when he signed the 4 year extension, it tagged on 4 seasons beyond the 2019 season and the 2020 season.

ABQCOWBOY said:

You are absolutely correct. This has been explained many times but it doesn't fit the narrative so it's ignored, for the most part. Unfortunate.

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And it has been explained that is because Wentz and Goff were first rounders...hence they were paid an extra $26 million in order for their teams to have the privilege of that extra year of control. I am sure if the Cowboys would guarantee Dak an extra $26 million dollars...Dak would happily sign a deal where he is also subject to that extra year of control.

We figured as much. He will sign for 35 a year for 4 years. If JJ insists on a 5th year it will cost JJ 45 million for that 5th year. Just give the man 4 years 140 million with 112 guaranteed. Do what you can to give him the biggest signing bonus you can and get some of this money off the books. Time to move on.

Sydla said:

It's actually 6 years under control, not 5. He (and Goff) signed their extensions prior to the 2019 season, which was his 4th season. They also had the 5th year option year. So the when he signed the 4 year extension, it tagged on 4 seasons beyond the 2019 season and the 2020 season.

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Many don’t think about that 5th year option. The front office will for sure utilize that. The Cowboys had already picked up the 5th year option for Elliot and as soon as I heard that, about a month later is when talks of Elliot holding out started. We picked up the 5th year option early for Elliot and he knew we were gonna run his legs off for 5 years and could still tag him after that. That’s why he held out 2 years early.

Sevenup3000 said:

And it has been explained that is because Wentz and Goff were first rounders...hence they were paid an extra $26 million in order for their teams to have the privilege of that extra year of control. I am sure if the Cowboys would guarantee Dak an extra $26 million dollars...Dak would happily sign a deal where he is also subject to that extra year of control.

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Explained to who and how exactly does that matter? They were first round picks because they earned it. So what, we aren't talking about what they got paid to play as rookies. What we are talking about is how you make the follow on contract work. Get it? None of what you say here matters because it doesn't help to make the numbers work on the next deal.

I've a feeling Dak would not happily sign anything that gave the team more then 4 years. I would bet that if the team came back and said 50 for the 5th year, they would come back and say the price is 55 now. They don't want to sign that IMO.

I would prefer to wait until he is more known for his play on the field than he is his pregame warm up routine.

MyFairLady said:

I would prefer to wait until he is more known for his play on the field than he is his pregame warm up routine.

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He went to two Pro Bowls before he ever started that warmup routine. Other than that your post is totally on target.

glimmerman said:

Many don’t think about that 5th year option. The front office will for sure utilize that. The Cowboys had already picked up the 5th year option for Elliot and as soon as I heard that, about a month later is when talks of Elliot holding out started. We picked up the 5th year option early for Elliot and he knew we were gonna run his legs off for 5 years and could still tag him after that. That’s why he held out 2 years early.

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Absolutely.

And as I said in another thread, yet another reason to not draft a RB in the first round.

If they are any good at all, they will demand to be paid early, and you dont even get the benefit of the rookie deal.

Smart by them, because a fifth year option plus a tag basically is a RBs entire career.

Sydla said:

This is false. Those 4 year extensions were tacked onto the final two years of Goff's and Wentz's deal.

So the Eagles and Rams have 6 years of control and 6 years to spread out cap hits on those two QBs.

In Dak's scenario, the Cowboys would only have 4 years to spread out a similar paying (guaranteed money) contract.

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Wentz and Goff are under the control of the Eagles and Rams for 5 years...their rookie deal was 4 years plus a team option for a 5th year...The Eagles and Rams then have 2 years worth of franchise tags...so Wentz and Goff are essentially under control for 7 years...because they are 1st round picks.

Dak, not selected in the 1st round...has a 4 year deal too...but the team does not get that 5th year option...therefore the Cowboys control Dak for 4 years...and they have 2 years worth of franchise tags...so the Cowboys have 6 years of control (and 7).

The drawback/tradeoff of the 5th year option is financial vs control. The Cowboys do not get that extra year of control HOWEVER they also don't have to pay Dak nearly as much because he wasn't a 1st rounder. What is that difference? $26 million dollars...so one could argue that extra year of control is worth $26 million dollars.

And that is my point...The leverage Dak has is his extra year...The Cowboys are essentially asking him to give up that extra year for nothing. If I were Dak, I would say, fine, you want an extra year deal like Wentz and Goff...PAY ME for that extra extra of control: $26 million extra dollars.

Otherwise, I am not signing a deal where, Goff and Wentz and I all become free agents in 2024 but they have made upwards of $26 million dollars more than I have.

Cowboys22 said:

What would be stunning about wanting to sign your franchise QB for 5 years. With the bonuses and salaries he will get, it will have a massive impact on his cap number if it is only spread out over 4 years instead of 5. You might be talking about him counting $7-8 million more against the cap each year. That's gets your draft picks and a decent free agent or two signed. That amount could mean retaining Gallup or not. I don't think Dak's camp should be stunned by the team wanting him to lessen his cap impact to help keep a better team around him.

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No, Dak shouldn't be stunned at the team wanting 5 years, but neither should the team be stunned at Dak wanting 4.

Echo9 said:

Wentz and Goff were 4 year extensions that also had the last year of the previous contracts as part of the deal. This equals 5 years in both cases. Tannehill and Wilson are both going on their 3rd contract ( not their 2nd following the rookie deal) so they don't equate.

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This is true, but the Eagles & Rams still just got 4 years byond what was on Wentz and Goff's rookie contracts, and that is what Dak is wanting - for the contract to be limited to 4 years beyond his rookie contract. The Eagles and Rams got that additional option year because they invested a 1st round draft pick and high first round money on their QB, but that wasn't the case with Dak, and the Cowboys can't logically argue that they have a right to that 5th year even though they didn't invest the pick and money the Eagles and Rams did. I suspect, however, that had the Cowboys been willing to give Dak a contract a year ago in the Wentz.Goff range they could have got the deal done and had they final year of Dak's rookie contract to spread the cap hit over

Echo9 said:

No it is not. Had he signed a 4 year extension LAST year, it would have. For example. Go back to the day Wentz signed his 4 year extension. Then count the years Wnbtz is under contract from that pont on.

5 years.

C'mon man, just look at it a little deeper.

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It is a 4-year extension that starts after the 5th year. The new contract is 4 years. Don't try to get cute with it, it wasn't a 5-year deal, it was a 4-year extension that didn't start until the last year of the rookie deal ended.

You don't, for instance, say that Tom Brady had a 20-year contract with the Pats.

Future said:

It is a 4-year extension that starts after the 5th year. The new contract is 4 years. Don't try to get cute with it, it wasn't a 5-year deal, it was a 4-year extension that didn't start until the last year of the rookie deal ended.

You don't, for instance, say that Tom Brady had a 20-year contract with the Pats.

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When did Tom Brady start getting paid for his last contract (including signing bonus)? That’s how long his contract was!

the deal will get done

Iago33 said:

When did Tom Brady start getting paid for his last contract (including signing bonus)? That’s how long his contract was!

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That's my point.

Just being under contract for 5 years doesn't mean you sign a 5-year deal.