Who's your favorite Cowboys player and why?

Swagger · Jul 29, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
@CowboyFrog Dude what are you talking about?

Garrett was a horrible play-caller. Jerry had to finally strip that fool of his play-calling duties and Linehan was brought in.

And miss me with the Romo had good teams nonsense. Im talking about the years 2011-2013 specifically.

Which season did Romo play on a roster with one of the worst defences in the history of the NFL?

Chocolate Lab · Jul 29, 2020

Jason Garrett, obviously.

CowboyFrog · Jul 29, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
@CowboyFrog Dude what are you talking about?

Garrett was a horrible play-caller. Jerry had to finally strip that fool of his play-calling duties and Linehan was brought in.

And miss me with the Romo had good teams nonsense. Im talking about the years 2011-2013 specifically.

please stop... you defending Romo against Garrett and saying Dak didn't have that issue is foolish and screams of your bias as far as those 2 go, If your going to say one player had alot of talent during his CAREER here then shouldn't you use the other players CAREER.. I mean unless your trying to omit anything that disproves your bias.

OmerV · Jul 29, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Imagine comparing the last 4 years rosters to the ones Romo had from 11-13

Oh yea and Garrett called the plays

You said it was the coach and GM's fault, so now you are adding different criteria, and still, that was 3 years out of Romo's career, not the entirety of it. What about 2014 - great offensive team but still got beat in the playoffs just like the last few years. Prettu strong team in 2009, still went nowhere in the playoffs.

The thing is though, I don't make it all about the QB. And I don't think Dak is necessarily any better than Romo. Maybe not as good. But some seem to put the shortcomings all on the QB when it comes to one they don't like, but put it on the team as a whole when it comes to a QB they do like.

CowboyFrog · Jul 29, 2020

OmerV said:
You said it was the coach and GM's fault, so now you are adding different criteria, and still, that was 3 years out of Romo's career, not the entirety of it. What about 2014 - great offensive team but still got beat in the playoffs just like the last few years. Prettu strong team in 2009, still went nowhere in the playoffs.

The thing is though, I don't make it all about the QB. And I don't think Dak is necessarily any better than Romo. Maybe not as good. But some seem to put the shortcomings all on the QB when it comes to one they don't like, but put it on the team as a whole when it comes to a QB they do like.

This is 1000% correct

WillieBeamen · Jul 29, 2020

Swagger said:
Which season did Romo play on a roster with one of the worst defences in the history of the NFL?

2013

Worst defense in franchise history and gave up the 4th most yards in NFL history. They gave up 6700 yards.

For reference, the 2019 Cowboys gave up 5232 (top-10 in the league)

Romo went 8-7.

KingintheNorth · Jul 29, 2020

Hard to answer for me.

Herschel Walker is my all-time favorite athlete. He just happened to end up with my team. I loved him at Georgia and watched his USFL games. I loved that the Cowboys drafted him in 1985 and then actually got him in 1986.

Tony Dorsett was my "first love" as a Cowboys fan. My earliest memories of Cowboy games in the late 70s/early 80s were of Dorsett rocking #33 and shoulder-shake juking the heck out of players. So any type of collectibles with Dorsett and Walker together was (is) always a big deal for me.

However, Darren Woodson is my all-time favorite Dallas Cowboy player. Woodson was a few years ahead of me and was a linebacker/safety hybrid like I was. I watched him at Arizona State and modeled my game after him. Again, could not believe my luck when the Cowboys drafted him in 1992.

WillieBeamen · Jul 29, 2020

OmerV said:
You said it was the coach and GM's fault, so now you are adding different criteria, and still, that was 3 years out of Romo's career, not the entirety of it. What about 2014 - great offensive team but still got beat in the playoffs just like the last few years. Prettu strong team in 2009, still went nowhere in the playoffs.

The thing is though, I don't make it all about the QB. And I don't think Dak is necessarily any better than Romo. Maybe not as good. But some seem to put the shortcomings all on the QB when it comes to one they don't like, but put it on the team as a whole when it comes to a QB they do like.

Dude, what are you talking about right now?

Garrett was Romo’s coach for a total of 6 seasons.

2011- 8-8

2012- 8-8

2013- 8-7

2014- 12-3

2015- 3-1

2016- DNP

Like I said, he kept us relevant during the JG-era despite having horrible teams and a horrible GM. Why the hell are you mentioning 2009, when Wade was still the coach and the defense was ranked 2nd in the league?

KingintheNorth · Jul 29, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
2013

Worst defense in franchise history and gave up the 4th most yards in NFL history. They gave up 6700 yards.

For reference, the 2019 Cowboys gave up 5232 (top-10 in the league)

Romo went 8-7.

Dak stanleys blame t

I'll awalys remember that year (2013) because the Cowboys hired Monte Kiffin fresh off him being the DC for the worst defensive season in USC (my college team) history. I had to watch his ineptness for 2 straight years for my 2 favorite football teams.

He was a disaster at SC in 2012 and the Jones were like, let's have him run our defense...

WillieBeamen · Jul 29, 2020

CowboyFrog said:
please stop... you defending Romo against Garrett and saying Dak didn't have that issue is foolish and screams of your bias as far as those 2 go, If your going to say one player had alot of talent during his CAREER here then shouldn't you use the other players CAREER.. I mean unless your trying to omit anything that disproves your bias.

Do you not know how to read?

I said look at the rosters Romo had when Garrett was his coach compared to the roster’s Dak has had?

Imagine being that foolish to not see the big difference in talent Dak was surrounded with as opposed to Romo DURING THE GARRETT ERA

Dreski · Jul 29, 2020

Ezekiel Elliot is my fav player currently on the team. Though I understand people might not be very fond of him.

During my time in Cleveland, I became a big fan of Ohio sports, because their fans are some of the best sports fans I’ve met, and Cleveland is just generally a fun city to live in

I work in a kitchen, but we would always watch Ohio state games when we could, and I remember watching Zeke play, and thinking to myself “Man, I’d really enjoy watching him play with a star on his helmet” and now I do!

I’m back at Dallas, but 2014-2020 were really good years for me in Cleveland. Especially being downtown when the Cavs won it all, that was a once in a lifetime experience

CowboyFrog · Jul 29, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Do you not know how to read?

I said look at the rosters Romo had when Garrett was his coach compared to the roster’s Dak has had?

Imagine being that foolish to not see the big difference in talent Dak was surrounded with as opposed to Romo DURING THE GARRETT ERA

Again you can keep saying that and everyone can keep telling you he had just as good a line had good RB's and good stats but couldn't advance in the playoffs with the same lame arse head coach....... you can scream anything you want it doesn't make it true he had a HOF WR and TE 2 HOF OL wth are you talking about???

im pretty sure he had a top 3 offense in the league...he didn't do that with JAG's

WillieBeamen · Jul 29, 2020

CowboyFrog said:
Again you can keep saying that and everyone can keep telling you he had just as good a line had good RB's and good stats but couldn't advance in the playoffs with the same lame arse head coach....... you can scream anything you want it doesn't make it true he had a HOF WR and TE 2 HOF OL wth are you talking about???

Oh I see you are illiterate.

Lets just end this here

CowboyFrog · Jul 29, 2020

CowboyFrog said:
Again you can keep saying that and everyone can keep telling you he had just as good a line had good RB's and good stats but couldn't advance in the playoffs with the same lame arse head coach....... you can scream anything you want it doesn't make it true he had a HOF WR and TE 2 HOF OL wth are you talking about???

im pretty sure he had a top 3 offense in the league...he didn't do that with JAG's

Im a Romo fan so im actually glad o

WillieBeamen said:
Oh I see you are illiterate.

Lets just end this here

lol yes lets

OmerV · Jul 29, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Dude, what are you talking about right now?

Garrett was Romo’s coach for a total of 6 seasons.

2011- 8-8

2012- 8-8

2013- 8-7

2014- 12-3

2015- 3-1

2016- DNP

Like I said, he kept us relevant during the JG-era despite having horrible teams and a horrible GM. Why the hell are you mentioning 2009, when Wade was still the coach and the defense was ranked 2nd in the league?

Garrett was the OC before he was the head coach (Wade wasn't running the offense), and Jerry was still the GM.

CowboyFrog · Jul 29, 2020

OmerV said:
Garrett was the OC before he was the head coach (Wade wasn't running the offense), and Jerry was still the GM.

I mean he keeps saying look at the roster, i thought that meant at the players but my illiteracy is getting in the way

WillieBeamen · Jul 29, 2020

OmerV said:
Garrett was the OC before he was the head coach (Wade wasn't running the offense), and Jerry was still the GM.

Yes now lets pretend that Bill didnt have a hand in the personnel on those teams 06-08.

Lets also pretend that Sparano wasnt holding his hands the year we had a prolific offense in 07

OmerV · Jul 29, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Yes now lets pretend that Bill didnt have a hand in the personnel on those teams 06-08.

Lets also pretend that Sparano wasnt holding his hands the year we had a prolific offense in 07

Okay, sure Bill had a hand in the personnel of those teams, and he built up those teams from what they were before he got there. Still no better with Romo at QB in the regular season or playoffs over the period where Bill, Wade and Garrett were the head coach than what we have had the last 4 years.

By the way, you cite 2013 as the year Romo was hindered by one of the worst defenses ever. And fairly I might add - I don't disagree with that. But that wasn't an every year thing. 2011 and 2012, for example, weren't like that, and they were still 8-8.

WillieBeamen · Jul 29, 2020

OmerV said:
Okay, sure Bill had a hand in the personnel of those teams, and he built up those teams from what they were before he got there. Still no better with Romo at QB in the regular season or playoffs over the period where Bill, Wade and Garrett were the head coach than what we have had the last 4 years.

You are not getting it.

The Garrett-led teams Romo was on were considerably worse than the ones Dak inherited.

-They were coached even more poorly

-Talent was worse

-Managed worse

The front office handled free agency so poorly back then, that it has made them do a complete 180 on their free-agency approach.

Dak has not have to overcome the same ineptitude from this franchise that Romo has.

12+88=7 · Jul 29, 2020

My handle says it all, Roger and Drew.

The two most clutch players in Dallas history.

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