For some reason, people think you should kick the xp when you score a TD to put you down 9 late in the game. Today was the perfect demonstration of why this is wrong.
Down 15, you either need two scores or three scores, depending on whether you convert a 2-pointer or not.
But you don't know how many scores you need until you attempt the 2-pointer. That's why you do it after the first TD.
If the Cowboys had kicked the XP after the first TD, they would have been down 8 and they wouldn't know how many more scores they needed. They likely would have been more methodical on the second TD drive, playing to tie (and not leave the Falcons enough time to win it). Then, if they failed the 2-point conversion, the game is over.
This way, they KNEW they needed two more scores, and they were much more aggressive on the second TD drive, leaving themselves enough time for the third score.
When down 15 late, ALWAYS go for 2 after the FIRST score. Information matters. And there's no benefit--none--to waiting.
If its irrelevant, as you say, then it should be easy to answer.
And the debate at hand is not about a failed two point conversion, it's about when should you go for two (while being down by 15). After the first TD or the second TD. So the question I posed earlier in this thread is indeed relevant.
Do you want to be down needing two scores or be down needing one score?
A reply of one or two would easily answer the question.
You are reading it wrong. After the td the Cowboys were down 9. People are advocating kicking the extra point to go down 8. The 2nd link recommends going for 2.
You wait because if you get it you don’t need onside. If you don’t get it then you kick onside. Either way you have to kick onside if you don’t get it but it’s better to wait imo.Sigh. No. As I said, there's no benefit whatsoever to waiting.
I was sitting there thinking “I hope they go for two for the same reason.”For some reason, people think you should kick the xp when you score a TD to put you down 9 late in the game. Today was the perfect demonstration of why this is wrong.
Down 15, you either need two scores or three scores, depending on whether you convert a 2-pointer or not.
But you don't know how many scores you need until you attempt the 2-pointer. That's why you do it after the first TD.
If the Cowboys had kicked the XP after the first TD, they would have been down 8 and they wouldn't know how many more scores they needed. They likely would have been more methodical on the second TD drive, playing to tie (and not leave the Falcons enough time to win it). Then, if they failed the 2-point conversion, the game is over.
This way, they KNEW they needed two more scores, and they were much more aggressive on the second TD drive, leaving themselves enough time for the third score.
When down 15 late, ALWAYS go for 2 after the FIRST score. Information matters. And there's no benefit--none--to waiting.
Sure, you go for 1 if the TD puts you down 15. But we're talking about a situation where the TD put you down by 9. The chart is for the score AFTER the TD but BEFORE the conversion attempt.it’s a very simple chart. I’m not sure how it could be read wrong. “Trail by 15:Go for 1”
perhaps you’re looking at the lead by side? Because my reading is fine
Why?We won...but I totally disagree with this.
Sure, you go for 1 if the TD puts you down 15. But we're talking about a situation where the TD put you down by 9. The chart is for the score AFTER the TD but BEFORE the conversion attempt.
I want to be down 7 after making the two-point conversion after the first TD. Why do you ignore that possibility?If its irrelevant, as you say, then it should be easy to answer.
And the debate at hand is not about a failed two point conversion, it's about when should you go for two (while being down by 15). After the first TD or the second TD. So the question I posed earlier in this thread is indeed relevant.
Do you want to be down needing two scores or be down needing one score?
A reply of one or two would easily answer the question.
But why? If you're down 8 and get the ball with 3 minutes, what's your plan? Clearly, you want to run the clock down, score as late as possible and hope you convert the 2-pointer. Because you don't want to leave the Falcons time to win it at the end.You wait because if you get it you don’t need onside. If you don’t get it then you kick onside. Either way you have to kick onside if you don’t get it but it’s better to wait imo.
But why? If you're down 8 and get the ball with 3 minutes, what's your plan? Clearly, you want to run the clock down, score as late as possible and hope you convert the 2-pointer. Because you don't want to leave the Falcons time to win it at the end.
But if you're going to miss the 2-pointer, that's a terrible strategy, because you need to preserve time so you at least have the chance of the onside kick (as lousy as that chance is).
The problem is, you don't know which strategy to pursue, because you don't know if you'll make the 2-pointer. If you try the 2-pointer early, you have your answer BEFORE you start that final drive. If you converted it, you're only down 7 and everything's fine. If you didn't, you need to score fast to have any chance. Yeah, you're probably going to lose, but at least you give yourself a chance.
I liked posting that one because it shows that people knew it was the right strategy way back then. It doesn't really require advanced analytics.Oops. I looks at trail by 15. Not 9. My mistake.
a chart from the 1970s is not advanced analytics tho lol.