The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, and The He Has To Go

DallasEast said:

Perhaps I am overlooking the specific thread you are referring. There is a May 8th thread entitled 'Mike Nolan Stats By Team:

• Participating thread posters did not assign all blame due to lack of talent.
• The total number of participating thread members, who either stated or inferred an endorsement of the Nolan hire, does not remotely approach 90%.

Please post the title or link of the particular thread you are referring if I have selected and reviewed the wrong one. Indefinite pronoun, percentage, and generalization usage has always interested me, especially reading it here all these years on CowboysZone.

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1st comment: @big dog cowboy
"I'd be willing to try anything after Rod"

2nd: @Doomsday101
"McCarthy wants him to run the defense, whatever he did before means nothing to me"

3rd: @cowboygo
"Rod's defense didn't compliment our offense"

I do admit that the negative comments weren't 90% looking back, closer to 70%.

CoachD said:

The Good: How freakin good was the O-line last night! They gave up all of one sack (which was actually a coverage sack) and had all of one penalty. Many times Dalton had all day to throw and remember no Zack Martin and in case you didn't notice and I'm pretty sure you didn't the two tackles that started for the Cowboys Steele and Knight weren't mentioned once and that's a really good thing, well done guys. Actually I thought the offense played pretty well overall.

The Bad: Once again too many field goal attempts along with the red zone struggles the Cowboys have difficulty scoring touchdowns. Speaking of field goal attempts, Greg the Leg turned into Greg the Shank last night even his onside kick was feeble, someone tell him that the watermelon kick doesn't spin on grass the same way it spins on AstroTurf.

The Ugly: This one is obvious but I have a question first, does the Cowboy's defense practice during the week? It's the same damn thing every game. The Cowboy's defense gets absolutely dominated by every team in the NFL. The Ravens ran for 300 yards basically using the same formation over and over and over again. Now I know everyone is looking forward to the daft and so am I but if the Cowboys don't use their first FIVE picks on defensive players then they'll finish last in the division next year to.

The He Has to Go: Mike Nolan you have to be the worst D-coordinator in the history of the Dallas Cowboys and he needs to be fired expeditiously! You have no idea how to game plan or make adjustment during the game and why the hell do you keep running the 3-4 defense when you players are way too small up front. To run that defense you need a guy in the middle that at least weights 330 pounds if not more. All your D-tackles get man handled and it's embarrassing!

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So tell me, what adjustments is Nolan supposed to make? Please share these obvious adjustments that will magically make Jaylon Smith faster, smarter, tougher, and have more heart.

I always get a kick out of fans talking about how bad the players are and then blame the coach.

"All your DT's get man handled"

Here you again correctly analyzing that the DT's suck, but then blame the coach. Why are they Nolan's DT's?

These are Garrett and Marinelli's DT's. Pretty much been ignoring the position for 25 years in the draft.

Gallimore is the ONLY guy you can attribute to Nolan. NO doubt Nolan rolled his eyes when he get here at what he had to work with. Probably threw up in the bathroom.

QuincyCarterEra said:

1st comment: @big dog cowboy
"I'd be willing to try anything after Rod"

2nd: @Doomsday101
"McCarthy wants him to run the defense, whatever he did before means nothing to me"

3rd: @cowboygo
"Rod's defense didn't compliment our offense"

I do admit that the negative comments weren't 90% looking back, closer to 70%.

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I'll stick to it that the defense was meant to be playing with a lead the majority of the time with the offense we had at the beginning of the season. The front office allocated resources at the defensive line, we didn't even last half a season and we were out of their 2 free agency signings in McCoy and Poe, and Trysten Hill tore his ACL. We stick with Rod's defense, and the results would be similar imo. I think personnel is the bigger issue here than scheme.

cowboygo said:

I'll stick to it that the defense was meant to be playing with a lead the majority of the time with the offense we had at the beginning of the season. The front office allocated resources at the defensive line, we didn't even last half a season and we were out of their 2 free agency signings in McCoy and Poe, and Trysten Hill tore his ACL. We stick with Rod's defense, and the results would be similar imo. I think personnel is the bigger issue here than scheme.

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Every defense in the history of ever would prefer to be playing with a lead the majority of the time, no matter the offense.

It would be very hard to argue it being a personnel issue with so many of the players had played so much better in previous seasons than this season. Doesn't seem to add up.

cowboygo said:

I'll stick to it that the defense was meant to be playing with a lead the majority of the time with the offense we had at the beginning of the season. The front office allocated resources at the defensive line, we didn't even last half a season and we were out of their 2 free agency signings in McCoy and Poe, and Trysten Hill tore his ACL. We stick with Rod's defense, and the results would be similar imo. I think personnel is the bigger issue here than scheme.

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I have to agree with you on this issue. I've heard other pro players say its hard to grasp the new defense. New coaching staff, lack of training this year and some of these players may not fit this scheme. Who knows.They went through the same thing back around when Parcells was here. They changed from the 4-3 to 3-4 . They weren't very good for awhile back then either.

QuincyCarterEra said:

1st comment: @big dog cowboy
"I'd be willing to try anything after Rod"

2nd: @Doomsday101
"McCarthy wants him to run the defense, whatever he did before means nothing to me"

3rd: @cowboygo
"Rod's defense didn't compliment our offense"

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My interpretation of your three examples may not be accurate but here are my thoughts:

• @big dog cowboy - acceptance of any replacement of Marinelli as defensive coordinator but not an endorsement of Nolan
• @Doomsday101 - similar to big dog's comment
• @cowboygo - has already provided a follow-up comment in this thread/both it and his previous comment are indicative of observations of Marinelli's shortcomings and not necessarily an approval of Nolan's hire as his replacement

QuincyCarterEra said:

I do admit that the negative comments weren't 90% looking back, closer to 70%.

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Seventy percent?

I have not tallied the total number of members who commented in the May thread but there were a total of 116 comments posted in it. Just my sole opinion, I disagree with your assessment if you are clarifying "70% of negative comments" means the same as "90% of posters were all aboard the Nolan train".

Perhaps later today I will re-review each comment(s) made per member. I could provide what I believe is a more appropriate percentage of posters who were 'all aboard the Nolan train' back in May. Right now, my guess (based upon what I have both skimmed in that thread and your posted examples) is the actual percentage falling far short of 70%.

CowboyRoy said:

So tell me, what adjustments is Nolan supposed to make? Please share these obvious adjustments that will magically make Jaylon Smith faster, smarter, tougher, and have more heart.

I always get a kick out of fans talking about how bad the players are and then blame the coach.

"All your DT's get man handled"

Here you again correctly analyzing that the DT's suck, but then blame the coach. Why are they Nolan's DT's?

These are Garrett and Marinelli's DT's. Pretty much been ignoring the position for 25 years in the draft.

Gallimore is the ONLY guy you can attribute to Nolan. NO doubt Nolan rolled his eyes when he get here at what he had to work with. Probably threw up in the bathroom.

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Well first of all if you read the post correctly which I know you didn't you'd see that I said that he's running the 3-4 defense and there isn't ONE Cowboy's D-tackle that's built for that alignment. All the tackles on this team are 4-3 defensive tackle so that right there says it all that you're playing the wrong scheme. Common sense would tell you that my guys aren't big enough to run the 3-4 and a 4-3 defense make a lot more sense so start with that plus the Cowboys had what 14 padded practices to learn this defense at the beginning of the season and guess what they still haven't figured it out. On top of all that remember there where players that said that he didn't know how to teach well it looks like they were right because I've never seen so many big holes and wide out receivers in all my years of watching football. One more thing don't be surprised when he's the first coach to be fired on Black Monday!

CoachD said:

Well first of all if you read the post correctly which I know you didn't you'd see that I said that he's running the 3-4 defense and there isn't ONE Cowboy's D-tackle that's built for that alignment. All the tackles on this team are 4-3 defensive tackle so that right there says it all that you're playing the wrong scheme. Common sense would tell you that my guys aren't big enough to run the 3-4 and a 4-3 defense make a lot more sense so start with that plus the Cowboys had what 14 padded practices to learn this defense at the beginning of the season and guess what they still haven't figured it out. On top of all that remember there where players that said that he didn't know how to teach well it looks like they were right because I've never seen so many big holes and wide out receivers in all my years of watching football. One more thing don't be surprised when he's the first coach to be fired on Black Monday!

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All you have to do is watch these no talent clowns run around and try and tackle, go for fakes, take bad angles, generally suck when they play.

Talk all you want about whatever scheme you think is being done wrong. These players cant tackle. They suck.

LVE and Smith sit there 7 yards down field and wait for the ball to come to them. Its pathetic.

QuincyCarterEra said:

Our defensive talent is better this year than last year, so talent isn't a good excuse when discussing Nolan vs Rod.

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We are on a historic path of being unable to stop the run. Our secondary is a sieve. Our linebacker corps is impotent. We are last in the league in defense. I understand scheme plays a part in the equation and injuries as well but I really don't believe we are more talented on defense than when Rod was coordinating.

CoachD said:

The Good: How freakin good was the O-line last night! They gave up all of one sack (which was actually a coverage sack) and had all of one penalty. Many times Dalton had all day to throw and remember no Zack Martin and in case you didn't notice and I'm pretty sure you didn't the two tackles that started for the Cowboys Steele and Knight weren't mentioned once and that's a really good thing, well done guys. Actually I thought the offense played pretty well overall.

The Bad: Once again too many field goal attempts along with the red zone struggles the Cowboys have difficulty scoring touchdowns. Speaking of field goal attempts, Greg the Leg turned into Greg the Shank last night even his onside kick was feeble, someone tell him that the watermelon kick doesn't spin on grass the same way it spins on AstroTurf.

The Ugly: This one is obvious but I have a question first, does the Cowboy's defense practice during the week? It's the same damn thing every game. The Cowboy's defense gets absolutely dominated by every team in the NFL. The Ravens ran for 300 yards basically using the same formation over and over and over again. Now I know everyone is looking forward to the daft and so am I but if the Cowboys don't use their first FIVE picks on defensive players then they'll finish last in the division next year to.

The He Has to Go: Mike Nolan you have to be the worst D-coordinator in the history of the Dallas Cowboys and he needs to be fired expeditiously! You have no idea how to game plan or make adjustment during the game and why the hell do you keep running the 3-4 defense when you players are way too small up front. To run that defense you need a guy in the middle that at least weights 330 pounds if not more. All your D-tackles get man handled and it's embarrassing!

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Didn't you hear? There's a WR in the draft that is just sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better than everyone!!!!

QuincyCarterEra said:

Crazy how wrong all of you were thinking Nolan was this massive upgrade over Rod LMAO

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Actually, never saw anyone say that. Hyperbole

sunalsorises said:

I've seen better defense being played in electric football.

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That's funny!

Cowboys22 said:

I don't think it's the scheme at all. I can't count the number of times a LBer has left his gap only to have the RB or QB go right through it. Unless the scheme calls for one player to cover two gaps and just guess on each play, it's not the scheme. These players on defense just aren't very good, physically or mentally. Now, if you want to argue that is the coaches fault, I could buy in to a degree but for the most part it just looks like too many players on defense are either just not very good, don't really care, or both.

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My understanding was, we are playing a two gap. I posted weeks ago we need to play a one gap and more aggressive man in the secondary. I am sure my fellow fans will correct me.

This team is so wack.

Nolan should have been walked out of here after the Cleveland game.

kskboys said:

Actually, never saw anyone say that. Hyperbole

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You must be blind. Lmao. I gave three exact examples from a thread when we first hired him.

Want to talk about Zeke vs Ramsey KSK?

cowboyed said:

We are on a historic path of being unable to stop the run. Our secondary is a sieve. Our linebacker corps is impotent. We are last in the league in defense. I understand scheme plays a part in the equation and injuries as well but I really don't believe we are more talented on defense than when Rod was coordinating.

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Right, those are functions of the scheme.

Players who were playing well under Rod all of a suddenly are completely incompetent. LB Corp for example was thought of as the best in the league under Rod, now you claim are "incompetent despite the same players being rolled out there.

Compare the defensive rosters under Rod and the one this year and it's not even debatable.

- Pollard may be finally getting the feel for kick returns … despite his struggles, since he’s been in the NFL and under 2 different SP coaches, he has two huge returns this year, including a 60+ vs Ravens; if he becomes near the explosive return weapon he was in college, a Cordelle Patterson type threat – that’s another fear factor for opposing teams to have to worry about and contend with.

- the Jones would have to be quite hospitable and convincing to McCarthy, for Nolan to remain as DC. His misguidance and vastly poor leadership has historically as bad as any DC we’ve had here.
As it’s single handedly crippled and shattered the confidence of these players. Every single game has been mass confusion and incredible frustration and dissention from beginning to end.

- Players need self-assurance and I don’t see how that can return if they know he’ll be returning and at the helm. We need to start anew with a clean slate and new approach, and new ideas.
but will it be a Jones vs MCCarthy plea battle for Nolan to stay or go ?
* Get his disasterous means outta the way first, .
* replace him with a legit DC (cross your fingers with MM’s judgement/selection at that)
* and then we can focus on much better player personnel upgrade (LB,DBs,1 tech, etc)

- Patch work OL had a solid game and having Dalton go to a quick set and short dink-dunk pass game sure helped the OL as well.
- Further prove and show that Aldon is not near the player he started off early in year. Total wall hit and he was among others getting tossed and bounced around vs run.
And his pass rush has been non-existing .. for some time now. Injury-related or fatigue setting in ?

- What ? ..Gregory only played 13 snaps ? I'm getting really annoyed with this DL coach Jim Tomsula. He's one i'm hoping he can buy the farm with his buddy Mike Nolan as well.

- Isn't this 2 games in a row where CeeDee Lamb has dropped a sure TD pass right off his hands in the end zone. ? One vs WashF and now the hail mary vs Ravens ?
Wasn't he supposed to be as sure handed as they come ?

- Is this the very first game where Steele did not surrender a sack ? Hurries and rushes perhaps, but not a sack ? .

- Maybe the first game this year where Moore made an bigger-better effort to utilize the RBs in both run and pass game. .

QuincyCarterEra said:

You must be new here or just completely ignorant. I'll go with the latter

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I am so sick of you throwing around insults like this. No need to always be a jerk!