Kyle Pitts Is A Difference Maker (Trade)

Rockport said:

Fans like to go for flash. Fans are almost always wrong.

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ThreeandOut said:

Would you be willing to trade pick 10, Gallup and the compensatory 3rd round pick if Gallup wouldn't be enough?

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AsthmaField said:

That’s a very good question. I really wouldn’t want to, so I might just roll with Surtain or even Slater at 10 and keep Gallup and my comp 3rd.

The truth is that I’m really not sure, but probably pass on that trade to keep all my picks. That’s why I offered a good player instead of picks.

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Flamma said:

Ok, forget Pitts for a second, Detroit would be in position to draft a top end WR in either Chase, Smith, or Waddle. If you were Detroit, would you draft one of them or trade for Gallup? They could probably get both in a trade like that, but I'm not sure they want that.

Yes Gallup has one more cheap year left. But if Detroit was to trade for him they would extend him this year. Not wait until he plays out his last season like the Cowboys do. Most teams aren't that stupid. Either way he has to play out the cheap year.

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ErikWilliamsHeadSlap said:

I think Atlanta trades out. Someone will make a good enough offer to come up and get a QB. When that happens, Carolina then trades up with the Bengals. Miami is the real dangers here. But turning down Chase will take some doing. Cincy are making a mistake if they dont take OT. The Lions most likely dont take Pitts. Neither will Denver. That leaves a team trading up or Miami. Unless Denver is the team trading up with Atlanta in to the top 5.

I wouldn't make the trade up for that reason. If he is there at 10, he is there. Then Moore and Quinn can make their case. We really shouldn't be able to screw this pick up if we stay put. No trade up. No trade down.

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Avery said:

MIA could take a good wideout at the top of round two like Toney, Marshall, Bateman. They’ve got a ton of options.

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ThreeandOut said:

If you view Gallup as only being here for another year, then it might not be too high. But I think it would depend if you could find a veteran free agent WR to replace Gallup for this year.

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Daygoboy6191 said:

I did a Kyle Pitts mock draft that would be awesome although highly unlikely.

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Avery said:

That’s a helluva draft. How did Davis last that long?

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AsthmaField said:

Oh, there’s no doubt that I’m wrong a lot.

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AsthmaField said:

Well, we already have a top 10 pick, so we wouldn’t be trading very far up. Still you could be right that they’d want more. If they did, then you say thanks b8t no thanks, and take Surtain or Horn at 10.

Getting a good WR like Gallup and then still having a top 10 might be attractive to a rebuilding team that need way more than just a WR.

Anyway, Pitts probably doesn’t last until the 7th pick, making this a moot point.

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CATCH17 said:

No..

I would’ve gave up Lamb for Trevor Lawrence and that’s about it. Unfortunately that ship has sailed and we are stuck with an overpaid QB so getting him a monster like Pitts would be great.

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Avery said:

That’s a helluva draft. How did Davis last that long?

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Cowboyny said:

I think many Cowboys fans, not us, actually think Pitts will be there at 10, kind of like many thought we would have the 4th overall pick for weeks. He is a generational talent where every team is interested. After the QB’s, teams need to decide if he is worth it over a blindside left tackle or an elite receiver? Most teams would take TE last but receivers can be found, not this type of gamechanger. As for the Cowboy perspective, they really don’t need a Pitts, already have high end offensive line talent all over the place, if you are going to invest in offense probably would be at tackle for Tyron as he might not be around many more seasons. Read recently that they are so locked in at corner that they won’t take Sewell over their target if available.

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AsthmaField said:

I agree.

The key with Pitts, IMO, is Atlanta at 4. They could simply take him and try to get Ryan’s successor next year. They could also decide that Lance or Fields is worth it and that they are in a relatively rare position to draft a franchise QB, and take one of them.

If they do go QB, then I can easily see Cincy taking the franchise OT and Miami taking the franchise WR in Chase. If that does happen then Pitts will be there at 7 at Detroit who just spent a top 10 pick on Hockenson.

That’s why I went with them as a trade up partner if the team actually does want to try to make Pitts to Dallas happen.

Obviously, there are many pathways where Pitts could go before 7 too, but there is a chance.

I can’t see him making it past 7, 8 and 9 without another team moving up to get him... which is why I proposed the trade with Detroit.

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Cowboyny said:

I understand your thinking, there is a path for Pitts to fall past Atlanta, but there is no guarantee he makes it to the Lions at 7 as he will be a hot commodity. Several teams might jump in to make the move to get him, that will drive the price up for any trade. Something that nobody has mentioned, here in NY, there is talk Pitts is actually their guy not Wilson.

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AsthmaField said:

I absolutely think that Wilson is the Jets guy. I’ll be more than shocked if they pass on him for anybody... and San Francisco would throw a huge party.

If they take Pitts and I’m wrong, I’ll 100% own it but they’re going to take Wilson and would be fools not to.

But yeah, another team could move to 5 or 6 and take Pitts.

It’s going to be a very interesting top 10 on April 29th.

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AsthmaField said:

Most of what makes him great are things like tracking the ball in the air, body control, fantastic hands, and just flat out football instincts. It really isn’t his physical attributes that make him great, although they help. It is just how he plays football. He is a really, really good football player.

It is why people who compare him to past super athletic TE’s are wrong for doing so. Ebron, OJ Howard, Engram, Vernon Davis, etc. all were very physically talented TE prospects but they weren’t nearly as talented at actually playing football.

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AsthmaField said:

A few things before I start:

Yes, I know it’s a long post. I apologize in advance.

Yes, I have been wrong about prospects plenty of times before like everyone else. This is how I feel about Pitts though and right or wrong, I feel more strongly about his potential than just about every other prospect in this or other drafts.

Yes, it is another Pitts thread. It is my first and likely last - unless he’s drafted here.

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Prior to the 2014 NFL Draft, anyone who spent much time in the draft zone knows that I was pushing for Dallas to choose Aaron Donald with their first round pick. I started campaigning for him when he was still considered a “too small” DT and was projected to go in the second round. Then he blew up the senior bowl practices, blew up the combine, and then blew away team executives in interviews and - as I feared - blew up the Cowboys (16th pick) chances of getting him without a trade up.

Speaking for myself, rarely do I really dig into a prospect and it be crystal clear that he’s going to be a great player. With Donald, I felt with a certainty that he was going to be a difference making defender and thought that the Cowboys should do whatever is necessary to get him. So I proposed that they make a small trade up to insure that they got a guy that I felt was sure to be great with their pick. They didn’t, and while I love Zack Martin, it was an opportunity to get a hall of fame player for what would probably have been a third round pick value.

Looking back at third round guys recently (JJ Wilcox, Terrence Williams, Malik Collins) that certainly no longer seems too steep a price to pay for Aaron Donald.

Fast Forward to April 2018. In all the drafts since 2014, the only guy who I felt similarly about was Quentin Nelson the ND Guard. That was it. None in 2015, 2016, or 2017 made me think they were sure things.

I didn’t quite feel like Nelson was going to be quite as good as Donald, but I had great confidence that he was quickly going to be among the best in the league on the OL. Dallas had a good OL and needed help elsewhere, and picking 19th, they were just too far from where Nelson would be drafted (6 overall)... so I didn’t spend any time pushing for Dallas to move up for him. However, had Dallas been in the top 10, I would have felt like he would be worth trying to move up to get. Had that actually happened, they would have had Nelson at LG and not had to use their second round pick on Connor Williams.

Nelson would have changed the entire complexion of the OL in the last three years. He’s that good. And really, that shows my feelings about getting great talent when you can. Nelson is a difference maker on the OL. He is incredibly valuable to that Indy OL and is worth way more than an extra second or third to move up for had Dallas been in range. His addition in Indy changed that entire OL and really their entire offense. One super talented guy can do that.

Real difference makers are rare, exceedingly valuable, and change teams fortunes.

Now, in 2021, I feel similarly about Kyle Pitts. I feel like a I did about Nelson and Donald. I think the guy is going to be absolutely great in the NFL and like Donald/Nelson, I think he’s going to be a game changing, team altering presence in the NFL. These guys are rare and are beyond valuable to whichever franchise is able to get them.

So, needless to say, if he slides to 10, I feel like he should be the pick.

However, feeling like he’s going to be a game changing, hall of fame type player, do I feel like they should move up for him? In a word: Yes. If they view him in a similar way as I do - meaning potential HOF player - then they absolutely should look into it.

The odds are long because the Cowboys absolutely value their draft capital, and they hate parting with higher round picks. Plus, they have many needs on defense and it is difficult to sell using two premium picks on offense when the defense needs help badly.

I do have a suggested trade though.

When people talk about getting Pitts at 10, many of them say that he’s too talented to pass on but if they draft him, Michael Gallup should be traded. This makes sense because he would be fourth in a list of guys catching balls, despite being a really good player.

So, I propose that:

If Pitts slides to Detroit at 7 Dallas should call them and offer the 10th pick and Michael Gallup for their 7th overall.

Atlanta at 4 is too high so we’d have to hope they take a QB, and I think Cincy will go Sewell and Miami will take Chase.

This might work because Detroit needs WR’s in a bad way because they just lost Kenny Golliday and Marvin Jones and Gallup is a good, no nonsense WR that would probably fit nicely into what Dan Campbell is trying to build there, and they’re likely to be targeting WR with that 7th pick. Plus, they only move back 3 spots in the draft order. Having just spent a top 10 pick on TE TJ Hockenson, I doubt they’d go Pitts anyway.

It is a solid deal for Atlanta and one they might take. They get a good WR and they still have 10 overall to add a very good player.

For Dallas, they get a player that has a chance to be a real difference maker, they lose no more draft picks, and you basically trade the player that Pitts would be replacing anyway.

It is, IMO better than giving up any more picks in a draft where defensive help is so needed, and Dallas gets one of only 3 guys that I’ve felt this way about in the draft. I think that I’d do it and be thrilled with a draft that would still give the defense a lot of help and provide a guy that is as special as I think Pitts is.

If we don’t trade up for him, I’m pretty sure someone else will. He won’t slide to 10 IMO.

So there it is. I know a lot of guys will disagree but I feel strongly that this would be very good for Dallas.

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