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People over complicate the 4-3 3-4 formations.

It's no longer 2003, almost every team now runs some type of hybrid base defense. Gap assignments/alignment vary per DC.

Besides base formation is the nickel which Quinn has stated will be a 4-2-5
 
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texbumthelife said:
He's very very inexperienced in coverage. He very rarely did it in college and never in high school. If you think that guy is going to come into the NFL and cover TEs, you need to read more. His lack of coverage experience is legitimately his biggest wart--aside from the off the field issues.
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I don’t know if I believe that but if that’s the case he’ll fit right in because the other 2 suck in coverage as well. LVE is the better of the 2 and he’s average
 
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doomsday9084 said:
When you realize exactly what Quinn said, the draft today makes a lot more sense. The 3rd round was about getting 3/4 DE's. Those guys look terrible as 4-3 players because they are tweeners but in a 3-4 they have distinct roles. It also makes the Parsons pick more obvious. He is going to be the outside guy.

Jaylon and LVE really are in trouble.

It should also be noted that most of the downs are in the nickel. Cox is a great nickel LB.

I would rate the draft as a C-/D+ with a Marinelli style 4-3. When you hear the actual plan, the players fit a lot better and this looks like a much better draft.

Last note: In the nickel, who are the 4 linemen? Does Gregory move inside with Parsons on the outside and DLaw on the other?

Just spitballing, base defense 35% of snaps:
DE DLaw / DT Bohanna / DE Osa
OLB Jaylon / ILB LVE / ILB Cox / OLB Parsons

Nickel 65% of snaps
DE DLaw / DT Osa or Trysten, etc. / DT Gregory / DE Parsons
LB Jaylon / LB Cox
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Gallimore- he was decent as a rookie last year
 
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fivetwos said:
Couldn't someone in PR help the dude out and tell him the word "process" may not be the best choice of words?
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He's using that in the way it was used by the originator, Belichick, and then Saban, they both use that word a lot and it makes sense when they say it.
 

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John813 said:
People over complicate the 4-3 3-4 formations.

It's no longer 2003, almost every team now runs some type of hybrid base defense. Gap assignments/alignment vary per DC.

Besides base formation is the nickel which Quinn has stated will be a 4-2-5
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Good post.

What I would anticipate is that the base defense would have 5 men on the line of scrimmage and they seem to want to go back to a 1 gap scheme. 4 of the guys will play with their hands down and 1 will be up. In the nickel, 4 men on the LOS.

What I wonder is what position Parsons will play. It seems that the Cowboys want to use him as a downhill attacker, which means he will probably be the guy on the LOS who is standing and may drop into coverage or may rush.
 
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CouchCoach said:
He's using that in the way it was used by the originator, Belichick, and then Saban, they both use that word a lot and it makes sense when they say it.
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Ha, I get it.

Wrote that before I even listened.

Something about the word reminds me of a certain bad decade.
 
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Rockport said:
That was a very insightful press conference. He talked about accountability in the locker room, competition and leadership. Earned big points with me.
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Yep.

If we have any shot at all its going to be because of him....so, I'm all ears.
 
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RS12 said:
3-4 base with the current personnel? Not sure about that one. Never been a fan of that particular defense.
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It's not a real 3-4.

It's more a 3-3-5 imo.

SDE: DLaw --hand in dirt over tackle
NT: Urban --hand in dirt shading OC
RDE: Gregory --hand in dirt over tackle, can stunt inside or outside
ROLB/Edge: Parsons --probably attack 75%, drop 25. move around to beat up slow OTs.
Mike: Jaylon --offball with some blitzes, some coverage
Will: LVE/Cox --heavy coverage duties off ball
LOLB: Neal --play near LOS and in lots of man, physical run presence on flank.
CB1: Diggs --outside CB
CB2: Joseph --outside CB
CB3 ABrown: Slot guy who can play some outside.
FS: Kazee: lots of single high looks.
SS: Wilson: some zone coverage drops and some down in box work.

I think standard package idea will be 6 in box area with ability to move Donovan Wilson in as well.
Apply enough pressure so you can live with just the 3 speed guys in coverage and Kazee over the top.

Can get bigger for run based downs.
Play Osa instead of Gregory for instance. Give Gholston run over Neal in some short yardage/goal line stuff.
 
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When he says 3-4 I imagine it won't be a true 3-4 with a nose tackle as a 0T. I imagine it would be more of a shifted 4-3 with tackles in a 1T and a 3T. Unlike a vanilla 3-4 your three defensive linemen won't be two gaping. They will be penetrating like the 4-3.
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More than likely it's the 4-3 under that evolved when Seattle picked up Red Bryant as a free agent. It has 2 2 gappers. The front from left to right can be described as a 4-1-3-9.

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They also have a 4-3 over. 3T moves from weak side to strong side but relative gap assigments per position remain the same.

This evolution is actually described in a 2011 article. It's Pete Carroll making the most of the talent on hand.
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/5/3...roll-4-3-under-defense-part-i-an-introduction
 
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In this image with:
FC: CB1
BC: CB2
B: Bandit is Parsons/ROLB
E: Gregory
N: Urban/Woods
T: DLaw but directly over OT playing more SDE.
M: Jaylon
W: LVE/Cox
R: Rover is Neal more coverage based outside LB.
Field S: Wilson
Boundary S: Kazee

You can drop Jaylon to create 4 zones underneath or use Parsons or Jaylon to play Man on a primary interior TE/RB receiving target. Think plus TEs or RBs like McCaffrey likely to be target 1.
 
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dwmyers said:
More than likely it's the 4-3 under that evolved when Seattle picked up Red Bryant as a free agent. It has 2 2 gappers. The front from left to right can be described as a 4-1-3-9.

4-3_Under_medium_JPG.jpg


They also have a 4-3 over. 3T moves from weak side to strong side but relative gap assigments per position remain the same.

This evolution is actually described in a 2011 article. It's Pete Carroll making the most of the talent on hand.
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/5/3...roll-4-3-under-defense-part-i-an-introduction
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Yes, this was step 1. Quinn is probably now on step 2 where you get a little faster by utilizing an extra SS type as OLB for more speed. See Neal.

As usual colleges have stolen from HS and NFL steals from colleges.
You get more speed on the field to deal with spread attacks but also just get bigger, faster, longer as Quinn says.
 
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SlammedZero said:
Quinn seems like a hard person not to like. I like his energy. Let's just hope he can improve the defense in Dallas. It would be incredibly refreshing to watch a Dallas game and feel like you could count on the defense to help close out a game.
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I wish he would cuss more. And yell like Gruden does while cursing more
 
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jterrell said:
Yes, this was step 1. Quinn is probably now on step 2 where you get a little faster by utilizing an extra SS type as OLB for more speed. See Neal.

As usual colleges have stolen from HS and NFL steals from colleges.
You get more speed on the field to deal with spread attacks but also just get bigger, faster, longer as Quinn says.
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That's an adjustment as old as Jimmy Johnson. link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_4–3_defense

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Said it. If not for Demarcus Lawrence this defense is now better suited for a 3-4.

Lawrence is great when his hand starts on the ground. Otherwise we saw the results the first 8 weeks of last season.
 
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AKATheRake said:
Said it. If not for Demarcus Lawrence this defense is now better suited for a 3-4.

Lawrence is great when his hand starts on the ground. Otherwise we saw the results the first 8 weeks of last season.
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As good a run defender as Lawrence is, and as many double teams as he must have seen as part of the zone blocking vogue, I suspect he can play Leo or the 4T DE in the base.

But as you say, he's not a OLB.

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