What this team needs but won’t get

This team has been crying out for some discipline ever since Bill Parcells left. The unraveling of this team has been clearly evident with its penalty problems, pass drops, whining about those mean old refs, and a soft culture that allows and even fosters excuses and the lack of focus at critical moments.

We’ve heard many people for years saying this team needed some discipline- maybe even some healthy fear instilled in that locker room. Jimmy Johnson, Boomer Esiason, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, former Cowboys Roger Staubach, Drew Pearson, Charles Haley have all spoken publicly about it.

They ALL have said what this team needs is a strong HC who demands discipline and attention to detail. A true leader of men. I had hoped Big Mac was that guy. Clearly I was wrong in that hope.

But that kind of coach will never be allowed here again as long as Jerral Wayne Jones is breathing.

Or a Quarterback.

We’d still be playing if we had a QB who doesn’t go into a shell anytime a defense tightens up a little.

The entitled culture comes from the top. Jerry ensures it floods down to his kids, his players and the entire organization. That will be nearly impossible for any coach to overcome. Some may think..."it'll be different once I'm the HC in Dallas." But, they are naive. Jerry and Stephen will undermine them every step of the way.

Spot on.

That said, I will add that the coach MUST own the lineup/playing time.

That Elliott starts is a fireable offense for a coach, fireavle for the GM if mandated.

Good lord people have twisted memories of Fat Turd Parcells and his time in Dallas.

Bobhaze said:

This team has been crying out for some discipline ever since Bill Parcells left. The unraveling of this team has been clearly evident with its penalty problems, pass drops, whining about those mean old refs, and a soft culture that allows and even fosters excuses and the lack of focus at critical moments.

We’ve heard many people for years saying this team needed some discipline- maybe even some healthy fear instilled in that locker room. Jimmy Johnson, Boomer Esiason, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, former Cowboys Roger Staubach, Drew Pearson, Charles Haley have all spoken publicly about it.

They ALL have said what this team needs is a strong HC who demands discipline and attention to detail. A true leader of men. I had hoped Big Mac was that guy. Clearly I was wrong in that hope.

But that kind of coach will never be allowed here again as long as Jerral Wayne Jones is breathing.

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This is my biggest disappointment with McCarthy. I now believe he was brought in to do nothing more than provide KMoore an up close view of running an NFL team. No wonder Quinn sits up in the coaches box during games.

MyFairLady said:

Good lord people have twisted memories of Fat Turd Parcells and his time in Dallas.

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You can’t twist the 26 years into anything other than pathetic.

Bobhaze said:

This team has been crying out for some discipline ever since Bill Parcells left. The unraveling of this team has been clearly evident with its penalty problems, pass drops, whining about those mean old refs, and a soft culture that allows and even fosters excuses and the lack of focus at critical moments.

We’ve heard many people for years saying this team needed some discipline- maybe even some healthy fear instilled in that locker room. Jimmy Johnson, Boomer Esiason, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, former Cowboys Roger Staubach, Drew Pearson, Charles Haley have all spoken publicly about it.

They ALL have said what this team needs is a strong HC who demands discipline and attention to detail. A true leader of men. I had hoped Big Mac was that guy. Clearly I was wrong in that hope.

But that kind of coach will never be allowed here again as long as Jerral Wayne Jones is breathing.

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This is why I have been screaming for this O-Line coach to be canned. During the season. How many drives were killed by penalties on the line. A long pass to Gallup wide open taken back. A long run by Pollard called back. 2 or 3 long runs by Elliot. What would have been his long run for the year called back. Momentum killing penalties.

A bunch of drops by receivers. Some of the passes weren’t between the numbers but very catchable. A some between the numbers.

MM could have cut his line coach buddy and sent a message. Sat Elliot when injured instead of letting Elliot decide.

A real discipline coach wouldn’t take this job because he would want more control than JJ will ever give up. He said after tuna left he wouldn’t give another HC that much power. Then he hires JG that everyone knew was a puppet and he keeps the job for years to long. Heck even if JJ showed put some fear in players as “GM” it may help. But if MM is allowed to hire his own staff then he should have been able to fire them. Was Moore forced on MM.

To expect anything to change is crazy. Quinn got his players to play hard for him. MM or Moore is gonna have to do some things to get this Offense to play harder with more discipline. Even the ST was playing hard.

nightrain said:

This is my biggest disappointment with McCarthy. I now believe he was brought in to do nothing more than provide KMoore an up close view of running an NFL team. No wonder Quinn sits up in the coaches box during games.

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I hope not. Because MM needed to make changes to the staff and take charge but didn’t. Moore needs to work on his playbook. And quit closing his eyes and picking plays. Maybe some of the pages are stuck together and that’s why we called the same 10 plays.. Lol.

glimmerman said:

I hope not. Because MM needed to make changes to the staff and take charge but didn’t. Moore needs to work on his playbook. And quit closing his eyes and picking plays. Maybe some of the pages are stuck together and that’s why we called the same 10 plays.. Lol.

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Moore is who he is
He needs to learn under a real mentor but he won’t
He needs to be let go

This team has a lot of youthful players and a ton of talent that can improve and upgraded in a short time. Do It!!

visionary said:

Moore is who he is
He needs to learn under a real mentor but he won’t
He needs to be let go

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You could be right. If that was his playbook then it looks like half of Linehans playbook. Moore just took all the slants and short passes out of it. And outside runs. He replaced off tackle runs and tosses with WR screens..

MyFairLady said:

Good lord people have twisted memories of Fat Turd Parcells and his time in Dallas.

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Not considering the gist of this thread, discipline. Parcells did affect the culture but not the talent very much.

He always wanted to be the cook buying the groceries but he really wasn't a great shopper. Most HC's aren't in the NFL. Belichick has his misses too. Too many of them.

But to your point, he struggled with penalties too and more so in Dallas than anywhere he'd been but that wasn't Dallas, that was the changing landscape of the cap and lack of depth to be able to bench players. Players were becoming the dog instead of the tail and that affected coaches like Parcells, Johnson and Coughlin.

Parcells knew if he had any chance of turning the team, he had to have total control. That control was devastating to Booger's ego and will never happen again.

Booger came in with his brash "from jocks to socks" and has never really grasped the problem with his franchise and trophies. Every good owner leaves his franchise to be run by his GM and every good GM leaves the team to be run by his HC. Schramm took care of the socks but the jocks were Landry's.

Dallas is just a bad formula and is never going to work. The owner has made himself the face of the franchise, including that stupid Jerry World nonsense and has an insatiable ego and need for attention.

Think about the simple, and mostly protected lives, these players come form in college. They have no experience other than college football where there is the head guy, the HC. Not the AD, the HC.

These Cowboys players have a totally different set up with the owners attending team meetings and this one gets the game plan every week. Do you think any other team operates this way? The players know their HC asked to raise fines and was turned down by the GM, what do you think they think of that HC?

glimmerman said:

This is why I have been screaming for this O-Line coach to be canned. During the season. How many drives were killed by penalties on the line. A long pass to Gallup wide open taken back. A long run by Pollard called back. 2 or 3 long runs by Elliot. What would have been his long run for the year called back. Momentum killing penalties.

A bunch of drops by receivers. Some of the passes weren’t between the numbers but very catchable. A some between the numbers.

MM could have cut his line coach buddy and sent a message. Sat Elliot when injured instead of letting Elliot decide.

A real discipline coach wouldn’t take this job because he would want more control than JJ will ever give up. He said after tuna left he wouldn’t give another HC that much power. Then he hires JG that everyone knew was a puppet and he keeps the job for years to long. Heck even if JJ showed put some fear in players as “GM” it may help. But if MM is allowed to hire his own staff then he should have been able to fire them. Was Moore forced on MM.

To expect anything to change is crazy. Quinn got his players to play hard for him. MM or Moore is gonna have to do some things to get this Offense to play harder with more discipline. Even the ST was playing hard.

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glimm, do we think these coaches don't address this? They know far better than we do how drive killing these mental mistakes can be and they don't turn a blind eye to them.

I think every player on that team knows the man that signs their checks makes the final call. How much did it take for McC and the OLC to get permission to bench Williams for too many penalties? These coaches do not have the authority to make that call.

Bobhaze said:

This team has been crying out for some discipline ever since Bill Parcells left. The unraveling of this team has been clearly evident with its penalty problems, pass drops, whining about those mean old refs, and a soft culture that allows and even fosters excuses and the lack of focus at critical moments.

We’ve heard many people for years saying this team needed some discipline- maybe even some healthy fear instilled in that locker room. Jimmy Johnson, Boomer Esiason, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, former Cowboys Roger Staubach, Drew Pearson, Charles Haley have all spoken publicly about it.

They ALL have said what this team needs is a strong HC who demands discipline and attention to detail. A true leader of men. I had hoped Big Mac was that guy. Clearly I was wrong in that hope.

But that kind of coach will never be allowed here again as long as Jerral Wayne Jones is breathing.

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Preach it.....

CATCH17 said:

Or a Quarterback.

We’d still be playing if we had a QB who doesn’t go into a shell anytime a defense tightens up a little.

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Wrong-Catch. We had Romo. Same result. Rodgers or Brady wouldn't make a difference. Dak aint the best but no other q.b. is gonna change this culture. Can they play defense also?? Catch balls also-BLOCK???

Bobhaze said:

This team has been crying out for some discipline ever since Bill Parcells left. The unraveling of this team has been clearly evident with its penalty problems, pass drops, whining about those mean old refs, and a soft culture that allows and even fosters excuses and the lack of focus at critical moments.

We’ve heard many people for years saying this team needed some discipline- maybe even some healthy fear instilled in that locker room. Jimmy Johnson, Boomer Esiason, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, former Cowboys Roger Staubach, Drew Pearson, Charles Haley have all spoken publicly about it.

They ALL have said what this team needs is a strong HC who demands discipline and attention to detail. A true leader of men. I had hoped Big Mac was that guy. Clearly I was wrong in that hope.

But that kind of coach will never be allowed here again as long as Jerral Wayne Jones is breathing.

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I think the league has changed. Strong HCs are a thing of the past. The players need baby sitters, and psychologists, not disciplinarians. Today, you have to draft and sign guys who are responsible for themselves, or leaders in the locker room who police their teammates. Go back to what Jimmy Johnsons said. Something like "hit me in the head with a hammer if I ever draft another dumb player". The problem in Dallas is some of the coaches are as dumbs as some of the players.

The answer is to draft hard-nosed, disciplined players who play smart. We don't seem to care about discipline and football smarts. Just look at our last draft.

To make matters worse the Cowboy PR machine tries to publicly portray a team and coaching staff that is everything you describe here.

From the coach's supposed blue collar, hard nosed and tough guy roots of Pennsylvania to the whole facade of the staff and team mates all being accountable to one another and that garbage.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

jmo

This is the reason I don't want Quinn as the HC like some on here. He is a good DC but from what I've seen and read, he's the ultimate players coach.
We need a HC that some players might not like but respect and fear.