CFZ What is it about 2nd Round picks here?

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It's pretty simple - the Cowboys look for guys who they believe have first round qualities, no matter the warts involved. The reason why they do markedly better in the first round is that they generally don't take chances - they pick solid talent without a lot of headaches. In the second round, they don't use that filter, and look for what they think is a potential diamond despite obvious "inclusions" on the stone.
 
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Bobhaze said:
I have never understood the mindset that making a premium second round draft pick is the perfect place to roll the draft dice. Take chances in rounds 4-7. Round two picks should be starting if not right away, at least showing they can soon.

Under the Jones FO, this team has done very well with first round picks but conversely have down awful in round two. It’s almost laughable how our 2nd round picks have turned out for this team. Let’s look at our 2nd round picks in the last 15 drafts:
  • 2007- No selection- traded prior to draft.
  • 2008- Martellius Bennett- TE. Had a good career after he left Dallas. Somehow, this team could never figure out how to pair him with Witten.
  • 2009- No selection because Jerry traded the 2nd round pick to Buffalo for a 3rd and and two 4ths. Part of one of the worst drafts in Cowboys history.
  • 2010- Sean Lee- LB- first round talent with a mile long injury history. He was great…when he played. He missed a whopping 58 games in his 11 year career.
  • 2011- Bruce Carter- LB- a pretty prospect out of college, played in 32 games in 4 yrs in Dallas. Has had an ok NFL career.
  • 2012- no 2nd round pick; traded to the rams so we could move up in round one to get Mo Claiborne with the 5th pick. Claiborne was pretty much a bust considering what this team gave up to get him.
  • 2013- Gavin Escobar-TE- at total BUST. Started 7 games in 4 years and rarely played. Was completely out of the league 5 yrs after being drafted.
  • 2014- DeMarcus Lawrence- DE- despite what many fans here think, DLaw has been an outstanding player. Most don’t like him because of his paycheck. He’s a 2nd rounder that has worked out here.
  • 2015- Randy Gregory- DE- another of Jerry’s wild risks on a guy with great talent but struggling with well chronicled mental health and substance issues off the field. In 7 seasons, never played more than 12 games. And JJ was prepared to pay him like a star before Denver stepped in.
  • 2016- Jaylon Smith- LB- another medical risk pick on a guy who was once a stud. His college knee injury was so devastating, he never got back to his potential. Somehow JJ saw him as a top 10 LB in the league and paid him accordingly. Was cut less than two years later and out of the league.
  • 2017- Chidobe Awuzie- CB- turned into a decent corner yet was not deemed worth keeping. Started for the Bengals in the SB last year.
  • 2018- Connor Williams- OL- drafted to play LG and played ok at times. Often overwhelmed by bull rushers and eventually became the best holder in the league with the stats to prove it. I never thought this guy was anything special. Signed with Miami this off-season.
  • 2019- Trysten Hill- DT- going into his 4th NFL season, he has to be called a bust. Jury still out…kinda.
  • 2020- Trayvon Diggs- CB- had an All pro season last year and is still only 24. Needs to improve his coverage skills more but he’s been the best 2nd rounder we’ve had along with DLaw.
  • 2021- Kelvin Joseph- CB- we all know about the recent “person of interest” embrolio he got himself into. His off field behavior was a red flag going into last yrs draft. Which is often a green light for JJ. Too early to know how this turns out.
So in the last 15 drafts, the Cowboys drafted 12 players in the second round. If you count Jaylon Smith, only three of those 12 ever played for Dallas after their rookie deals- so far. Those guys are Sean Lee, DLaw, and Jaylon Smith. Diggs will probably get a second deal- at least we think so at this point.

With Kelvin Joseph’s potential legal woes, we may have to add another bust to this list.

THIS YEAR- Here’s hoping we draft a talented, un-injured player with no off field issues.
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Were building thru the DRAFT!!!!:muttley::muttley::muttley::muttley::muttley::muttley::muttley:
 
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We’ve used the second round to take chances on first round grade talent that have fallen due to an injury, drugs or other off the field issues. That mindset has come back to bite us several times. We wasted three second round picks on TE’s to play behind Jason Witten. If we would approach the second round like we have the first round we would have better luck. We play it safe in the first round with players that aren’t coming off serious injuries and don’t have a history with drugs or other types of trouble but we tend to roll the dice in the second round with those type of players. We think we can straighten them out or they’ll get over their injury problems. We need to make our first two picks count with safe picks because after the second round the draft becomes a real crapshoot. You’re pretty much throwing darts from the third round on.
 
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Corso said:
The 2nd Round is Jerry's Party Round.
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I was listening to NFL radio last week and there was a former GM on the show discussing the draft. He said that most GMs use the 4th round as the round that they start taking chances on talented players that may have slipped due to character or injury concerns. Seems like Jerry uses the 2nd round while everybody else is picking cornerstone players with little risk.
 
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CWR said:
At some point McClay has to tell the Jones idiots their current philosophy in round 2 hasn't historically been successful.
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McClay keeps these guys on the board!
He deserves a side-eye.
 
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KJJ said:
We’ve used the second round to take chances on first round grade talent that have fallen due to an injury, drugs or other off the field issues. That mindset has come back to bite us several times. We wasted three second round picks on TE’s to play behind Jason Witten. If we would approach the second round like we have the first round we would have better luck. We play it safe in the first round with players that aren’t coming off serious injuries and don’t have a history with drugs or other types of trouble but we tend to roll the dice in the second round with those type of players. We think we can straighten them out or they’ll get over their injury problems. We need to make our first two picks count with safe picks because after the second round the draft becomes a real crapshoot. You’re pretty much throwing darts from the third round on.
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And let's not forget taking Randall Godfrey in 1995 and the second round when we historically never paid linebackers and allowed them to walk. Why take one in the second if he's only going to be there for 4 years? He went on to have a monster career in Tennessee and he was a very good player for us in his last year. People say Dat was just as good? Wrong.
 
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You know darn well what the answer is Bob.
 
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The "shoot from the hip" round.
Except Jerrys putting rounds through the neighbors windows.
 
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There is no mystery here. Jerry like to bring in first round cast offs in free agency. Just like he like to draft first round talents in the second round. These first round talents that he gets in the second are guys with questionable back grounds or guys with injuries. It's all Jerry, and his ideology of filling the team with talent, then hoping we get lucky.
 
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The second round seems to provide our billionaire owner GM the high stakes gambling fix that he needs every year in his search to be crowned a football guy.

Unfortunately so far this is pretty much backfired and left us with the injured and unstable
 
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