I'm not saying Dak is better than Mahomes

atlantacowboy said:

Ok. Lets compare playoff wins...... Mahomes has 8 wins in 5 seasons and Dak has 1 win in 6.

The fact is that Mahomes is on pace to be an all-time great, first ballot HOFer........ Dak is not even close.

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Team stat.

wow. we are so close. lets get to 40 pages today and we can celebrate another Dak thread..

yeah yeah yeah, I am contributing....

MountaineerCowboy said:

Do you really care about losing the 1st round picks if the reward is Super Bowl though? I'm 100% sure that the Rams organization and fans aren't sitting around right now saying "Man, I really wish we wouldn't have traded those 1st round picks for guys like Stafford and Ramsey".

I don't know off the top of my head who's contracts will be up around the same time as Daks or who's relationship with their organization might sour. What if the Bengals or Chargers for some reason have a falling out with the QB and their QB all of a sudden wants out and wants a trade or refuses to resign? What if Aaron Rodgers wants to pull a Tom Brady and Green Bay get's tired of him? We just don't know how things will be 3 years from now, but there will be options.

I know you don't agree with me right now, but I believe by the end of Dak's current contract more people will agree with moving on from Dak then they do right now today.

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Your plan is for something extraordinary to happen with the best of the best QB’s and they end up on your team. Ok. We will see what happens.

With a good D Romo could’ve and Dak can win it all. My opinion of course and we will see. It will be interesting to see how you handle Dak’s success. Some, like @PAPPYDOG , didn’t post for weeks at a time.

To answer your question. No I’d trade the next 5 for a Super Bowl. (I think) but those trades don’t always work out. Galloway and Williams scarred many Cowboys fans.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

wow. we are so close. lets get to 40 pages today and we can celebrate another Dak thread..

yeah yeah yeah, I am contributing....

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No worries bro. Everyone knows you're special.

DogFace said:

Your plan is for something extraordinary to happen with the best of the best QB’s and they end up on your team. Ok. We will see what happens.

With a good D Romo could’ve and Dak can win it all. My opinion of course and we will see. It will be interesting to see how you handle Dak’s success. Some, like @PAPPYDOG , didn’t post for weeks at a time.

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I agree.

I too believe that with a good defense Romo or Dak could/could've be/been Trent Dilfere'd to a Super Bowl. That's the hope I have right now.

I root for the Cowboys success, not a single players. I will handle Cowboys success just fine, but if you think I'm going to hop on the Dak train if he puts up pretty stats that when analyzed are empty while leading us to 8-9 then you're wildly mistaken there.

My question will be what happen when others finally start to realize that Dak ain't it? Do they double down because they're in too deep or do they man up and admit they were wrong about him?

Let's see Maholmes come back and get 12 wins after the injury Dak sustained. Dak will be better this year. He will never be Maholmes... maybe better and smarter. Jimmy would love to coach Dak...he is solid and doesn't turn the ball over.

SteveTheCowboy said:

Okay.....not sure what constitutes "honoring a contract". It must be just me...I think showing up for work...is part of it. Didn't he skip practices?

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LOL it's not just you. You're right. I was so focused on the actual contract that I forgot about the most fundamental part.

DogFace said:

Your plan is for something extraordinary to happen with the best of the best QB’s and they end up on your team. Ok. We will see what happens.

With a good D Romo could’ve and Dak can win it all. My opinion of course and we will see. It will be interesting to see how you handle Dak’s success. Some, like @PAPPYDOG , didn’t post for weeks at a time.

To answer your question. No I’d trade the next 5 for a Super Bowl. (I think) but those trades don’t always work out. Galloway and Williams scarred many Cowboys fans.

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all of which points to the root of the problem. do we have the management in place that can have the vision to see it and then the wherewithall to make it happen? I don't think so. I listed a bunch of teams that have made it to the superbowl and some won it. its a long list. Dak is better than some of them, about the same with others and slightly worse than a few, and I am sure there is full debate for that from dak haters and dak lover (sorry using typical terminology on this board). the point being that its been done before, but given our management, our GM and owner and the culture of the team I can't see it happening. I think if Brady comes here, we don't win a superbowl like Tampa. I think Mahomes here would have never won a superbowl. I don't think Rodgers can win a superbowl here. its just the way the cowboys are. Dak is just another symptom of a deep rooted problem in the organization.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

all of which points to the root of the problem. do we have the management in place that can have the vision to see it and then the wherewithall to make it happen? I don't think so. I listed a bunch of teams that have made it to the superbowl and some won it. its a long list. Dak is better than some of them, about the same with others and slightly worse than a few, and I am sure there is full debate for that from dak haters and dak lover (sorry using typical terminology on this board). the point being that its been done before, but given our management, our GM and owner and the culture of the team I can't see it happening. I think if Brady comes here, we don't win a superbowl like Tampa. I think Mahomes here would have never won a superbowl. I don't think Rodgers can win a superbowl here. its just the way the cowboys are. Dak is just another symptom of a deep rooted problem in the organization.

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I think you very badly want to believe that if Brady, Mahomes, or Rodgers came here we wouldn't win, because you badly want to believe that if Dak can't do it then nobody can.

I think it's foolish to think that Mahomes, Brady, or Rodgers can't do something because Dak or Romo can't.

Wins = Team stat.

G2 said:

Team stat.

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Depends how convenient it is for your narrative. Funny how they keep records for QB come-from-behind wins and not...say the center or safety.

https://eatdrinkandsleepfootball.com/stats/nfl/4th-quarter-comebacks/

Typhus said:

Question is have we addressed it?
Still weak but with youth have a chance for some improvement but still dont believe its going to be enough.

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We’ll find out if we addressed it when the season starts. We’re going to have to bank on improvement from the younger players and hope this draft class provided something. I still think stopping the run is going to be an issue, just hoping it’s not as big an issue as it’s been.

MountaineerCowboy said:

I agree.

I too believe that with a good defense Romo or Dak could/could've be/been Trent Dilfere'd to a Super Bowl. That's the hope I have right now.

I root for the Cowboys success, not a single players. I will handle Cowboys success just fine, but if you think I'm going to hop on the Dak train if he puts up pretty stats that when analyzed are empty while leading us to 8-9 then you're wildly mistaken there.

My question will be what happen when others finally start to realize that Dak ain't it? Do they double down because they're in too deep or do they man up and admit they were wrong about him?

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That's not a legit hope. It's like hoping you win the lottery. I agree with a lot of what you say, but sometimes you go slightly off the rails. Romo was every bit as good or better than Matt Stafford. They are very similar QBs. Although I think both are a bit better than Dak when at their best, with Dak we rarely get those, what the hell were you thinking moments. Dak is not an edge of your seat quarterback. We don't need the 2000 Ravens defense.

My only problem with Dak is I don't like having to pay for a Corvette and receive a Camaro. Then have someone tell me we don't have anything else. Both are great cars, but I just paid north of 100k for a Camaro?

DonaldM said:

Let's see Maholmes come back and get 12 wins after the injury Dak sustained. Dak will be better this year. He will never be Maholmes... maybe better and smarter. Jimmy would love to coach Dak...he is solid and doesn't turn the ball over.

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So Mahomes has played 4 seasons, made 4 AFC Championship games, made it to 2 SBs and won 1 yet Dak coming back to win 12 games after an injury has him nipping at his toes to be better?

I’ve never been a Dak hater or lover so not ripping him…just confused on the comp here

DogFace said:

Your plan is for something extraordinary to happen with the best of the best QB’s and they end up on your team. Ok. We will see what happens.

With a good D Romo could’ve and Dak can win it all. My opinion of course and we will see. It will be interesting to see how you handle Dak’s success. Some, like @PAPPYDOG , didn’t post for weeks at a time.

To answer your question. No I’d trade the next 5 for a Super Bowl. (I think) but those trades don’t always work out. Galloway and Williams scarred many Cowboys fans.

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LOL....Didn't post while you Dak Lovers were feeling ohhh soooo good (Why Ruin a good fantasy) when he was beating up those dog teams then once again all of you hit the pavement of reality when he faced teams like the Cards and Niners.
Dak is Dak.....Tier 3 needs to be carried Garbage stats collecting QB!!!

MountaineerCowboy said:

I think you very badly want to believe that if Brady, Mahomes, or Rodgers came here we wouldn't win, because you badly want to believe that if Dak can't do it then nobody can.

I think it's foolish to think that Mahomes, Brady, or Rodgers can't do something because Dak or Romo can't.

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no, I don't have to believe. I know it. therein lies the difference. Brady could have come to dallas, we had that opportunity, but the Owner didn't think ahead, didn't have the vision, nor was there interest from Brady. Brady knew his best chance for the next ring is not in dallas. Romo could have done it as he had all the ability, but we didn't have the management and the organization to get it done. thus everyone agrees that Mahomes, Brady or Rodgers effectiveness in Dallas would be diminished because of the culture, owner, GM and organization where the focus is not on football but on the brand. do you think Mahomes could have won with Garrett as headcoach? he could have overcome the disorganization and the coaching incompetency to win a superbowl? tell me that's what you think....

and Dak is not going to be able to do it. given his limitations and the environment he is in. That's why I have said that I am not as excited about cowboys outlook, nor excited about this offseason, training camp or the upcoming season. I don't have any hope we have any chance of winning anything.

you keep barking up the wrong tree looking for something, given you have Dak on your mind and only dak on your mind. you are obsessed. Dak lives in your head rent free.

PAPPYDOG said:

LOL....Didn't post while you Dak Lovers were feeling ohhh soooo good (Why Ruin a good fantasy) when he was beating up those dog teams then once again all of you hit the pavement of reality when he faced teams like the Cards and Niners.
Dak is Dak.....Tier 3 needs to be carried Garbage stats collecting QB!!!

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What do you do garbage pickup? Or accounting? Waste of space. Go do laundry before the wife gets home.

G2 said:

Wins = Team stat.

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very true. it takes both sides of the ball, but there are players who have a higher impact to wins/losses namely QB. that's why a lot of times people equate wins/losses to QBs.

PAPPYDOG said:

LOL....Didn't post while you Dak Lovers were feeling ohhh soooo good (Why Ruin a good fantasy) when he was beating up those dog teams then once again all of you hit the pavement of reality when he faced teams like the Cards and Niners.
Dak is Dak.....Tier 3 needs to be carried Garbage stats collecting QB!!!

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you feel kind and generous today. Tier 3!? I am surprised. I thought you would say tier 5 or 6. are you feeling ok?

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:

Last year.

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Gotta love fans being ecstatic about one and done years